Can Obamacare realistically be repealed by the next Repub president?

[JEDI]

I say no.

once in effect and blessed by the Supreme Court, govt social programs never go away.
in fact, they go the opposite direction and get bigger with more handouts.

Case in point: Medicare

A drug plan was added to it earlier this century. it costs $10B/yr to the deficit and growing.
The surprise: Bush was the one who pushed it thru.

so all you Repubs who want to repeal Obamacare, why don't u repeal the Medicare drug plan as well?

 

[waggy]

I don't think it will ever be repealed. IT might (i am SURE it will be) changed over the years.

its a wreck. the idea is good but the implementation sucked

 

[Fern]

Can Obamacare realistically be repealed by the next Repub president?

Sure. Just that he will need a bare majority in both the Senate. Pass it as a revenue reconciliation bill and he won't need a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.

But why not just do what Obama does? Just say "I'm not going to enforce it" and then everyone can ignore the damn thing.

Fern

 

[Smoblikat]

I say no.

once in effect and blessed by the Supreme Court, govt social programs never go away.
in fact, they go the opposite direction and get bigger with more handouts.

Case in point: Medicare

A drug plan was added to it earlier this century. it costs $10B/yr to the deficit and growing.
The surprise: Bush was the one who pushed it thru.

so all you Repubs who want to repeal Obamacare, why don't u repeal the Medicare drug plan as well?

ok

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I say no.

once in effect and blessed by the Supreme Court, govt social programs never go away.
in fact, they go the opposite direction and get bigger with more handouts.

Case in point: Medicare

A drug plan was added to it earlier this century. it costs $10B/yr to the deficit and growing.
The surprise: Bush was the one who pushed it thru.

so all you Repubs who want to repeal Obamacare, why don't u repeal the Medicare drug plan as well?

Why should Republicans attempt to repeal Medicare Part D? It was the liberals (not Republicans) who were incessantly bitching about Medicare Part D during Bush's presidency. Isn't it interesting that Democrats suddenly went quiet and didn't lift a finger to change or repeal it when they had an excellent chance in 2009-10? How curious is that?

 

[fskimospy]

Sure. Just that he will need a bare majority in both the Senate. Pass it as a revenue reconciliation bill and he won't need a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.

But why not just do what Obama does? Just say "I'm not going to enforce it" and then everyone can ignore the damn thing.

Fern

A 2016 Republican Senate majority is unlikely simply due to election dynamics. If Republicans run the table this year they might be able to squeeze out a majority of one or two seats, but in 2016 the field will be reversed (and it will be a presidential year, which are generally better for Democrats).

Repealing the ACA will mean telling millions of Americans who currently have health insurance that it is being removed. It will mean telling people who have pre-existing conditions that they are no longer covered. It will mean kicking lots of poor people off of health care coverage. It would be a nightmare. It's hard for me to see any of that happening, even with Republican control of all three elected bodies.

What I could see in that situation was some sort of major change to the ACA that would make it more Republican friendly and them selling it as some sort of 'repeal'. In practice however, that ship has sailed.

 

[Incorruptible]

It depends. If Rand Paul were to win then there is a good chance but if it's another big government moron then forget about it.

 

[werepossum]

He could. but probably won't. Each part will have a constituency, and while some constituencies (i.e. the bureaucrats themselves) are immaterial to Republicans, most will be sufficiently broad that no politician will want to piss them off. Ideally a Republican President would take the good parts and can the bad, but I suspect the debate would get so entangled that nothing ever came of it.

 

[JEDI]

A 2016 Republican Senate majority is unlikely simply due to election dynamics. If Republicans run the table this year they might be able to squeeze out a majority of one or two seats, but in 2016 the field will be reversed (and it will be a presidential year, which are generally better for Democrats).

Repealing the ACA will mean telling millions of Americans who currently have health insurance that it is being removed. It will mean telling people who have pre-existing conditions that they are no longer covered. It will mean kicking lots of poor people off of health care coverage. It would be a nightmare. It's hard for me to see any of that happening, even with Republican control of all three elected bodies.

What I could see in that situation was some sort of major change to the ACA that would make it more Republican friendly and them selling it as some sort of 'repeal'. In practice however, that ship has sailed.

ding ding ding winner!

 

[Anarchist420]

Republicans have no sincere interest in repealing it.

Bush wouldn't even make all medical expenses tax deductible FFS.

In 2010, Dr. Paul's proposal to free up the health care sector was voted down by Republicans.

In 2016, it's going to be Chris Christie vs Hillary Clinton.

 

[shortylickens]

I cant recall the last time a president repealed a major program from the previous administration.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If the Republicans were to repeal it, what would they put in it's place? Some variant of the old "Don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly and quietly" program?

 

[bpatters69]

I say no.

once in effect and blessed by the Supreme Court, govt social programs never go away.
in fact, they go the opposite direction and get bigger with more handouts.

Case in point: Medicare

A drug plan was added to it earlier this century. it costs $10B/yr to the deficit and growing.
The surprise: Bush was the one who pushed it thru.

so all you Repubs who want to repeal Obamacare, why don't u repeal the Medicare drug plan as well?

Hey Libs, why didn't you just expand Medicare to cover the 20 million uninsured Americans vs building an entire new, wasteful bureaucracy? Better idea. Prior to expanding Medicare, why don't you fix the billions or is it trillions in fraud that plague Medicare prior to building Obamacare?

 

[cyclohexane]

There won't be a repub president for awhile.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If the Republicans were to repeal it, what would they put in it's place? Some variant of the old "Don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly and quietly" program?

Yep.

As you know I'm not a fan of Obamacare, but I've never said Republicans had a better alternative if they have one at all. So from my perspective as a provider we have a bad plan and no plan.

Lovely.

 

[michal1980]

But why not just do what Obama does? Just say "I'm not going to enforce it" and then everyone can ignore the damn thing.

Fern

This.

everyone glazed over this. Presidents no longer need congress, Obama has demonstrated this over and over again. That he will be King, and decided what the laws of the land are.

 

[Incorruptible]

Republicans have no sincere interest in repealing it.

Bush wouldn't even make all medical expenses tax deductible FFS.

In 2010, Dr. Paul's proposal to free up the health care sector was voted down by Republicans.

In 2016, it's going to be Chris Christie vs Hillary Clinton.

Ron Paul would have fixed our healthcare system but there are too many idiots in the country and on P&N who attacked him. He would have some serious improvements.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ron Paul would have fixed our healthcare system but there are too many idiots in the country and on P&N who attacked him. He would have some serious improvements.

I'll pose the same problem to you that I did the one who studiously avoided its existence.

Background- a few years back I was attending a seminar given by geriatric specialists to health care professionals. A substantial amount of time was addressing the aging of America and its consequences. A large part of that concerned dementia in the elderly population and what it meant to us as professionals, patients, caregivers and the system. That's where the figures I mentioned came from.

No one had a satisfactory answer. No one said UHC would fix this, even from those who supported such a system because we all know it won't.

So I'll give you a list of what won't work based on the thousand plus years of expert opinion of those who deal with these problems for a living.

Obamacare
UHC
Socialized medicine
Not paying workers for their efforts
"The free market"

In specific terms what does Paul do that's none of the above to fix this problem?

 

[Incorruptible]

I'll pose the same problem to you that I did the one who studiously avoided its existence.

Background- a few years back I was attending a seminar given by geriatric specialists to health care professionals. A substantial amount of time was addressing the aging of America and its consequences. A large part of that concerned dementia in the elderly population and what it meant to us as professionals, patients, caregivers and the system. That's where the figures I mentioned came from.

No one had a satisfactory answer. No one said UHC would fix this, even from those who supported such a system because we all know it won't.

So I'll give you a list of what won't work based on the thousand plus years of expert opinion of those who deal with these problems for a living.

Obamacare
UHC
Socialized medicine
Not paying workers for their efforts
"The free market"

In specific terms what does Paul do that's none of the above to fix this problem?

I agree with you that obamacare/uhc/socialized medicine won't work at all.

I compleltly disagree about the free market. The free market system has been the most successful and the US was built on it. A free market healthcare system would reduce costs and make healthcare more cheaper. This is due to competition. Right now insurance actually makes healthcare a lot more expensive because patients don't shop around which would cause competition. Insurance should be for catastrophic purposes and minor problems should be paid out of pocket since it would be cheaper due to competition. Allow insurance to be sold across state lines would provide some benefits as well.

Currently the liabilities for federal entitlements are $84 trillion. Do you think that everyone will get their share? No, some people will get cuts or nothing at all when there is no money to pay for it.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/16/report-federal-unfunded-liabilities-total-84-trillion/

http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/yes-mr-president-free-market-can-fix-health-care

http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

 

[Orignal Earl]

Ron Paul would have fixed our healthcare system but there are too many idiots in the country and on P&N who attacked him. He would have some serious improvements.

lol
Your Messiah is better then their Messiah

 

[Tom]

Why should Republicans attempt to repeal Medicare Part D? It was the liberals (not Republicans) who were incessantly bitching about Medicare Part D during Bush's presidency. Isn't it interesting that Democrats suddenly went quiet and didn't lift a finger to change or repeal it when they had an excellent chance in 2009-10? How curious is that?

Actually I'm pretty sure they did change it.

 

[JEDI]

I'll pose the same problem to you that I did the one who studiously avoided its existence.

Background- a few years back I was attending a seminar given by geriatric specialists to health care professionals. A substantial amount of time was addressing the aging of America and its consequences. A large part of that concerned dementia in the elderly population and what it meant to us as professionals, patients, caregivers and the system. That's where the figures I mentioned came from.

No one had a satisfactory answer. No one said UHC would fix this, even from those who supported such a system because we all know it won't.

So I'll give you a list of what won't work based on the thousand plus years of expert opinion of those who deal with these problems for a living.

Obamacare
UHC
Socialized medicine
Not paying workers for their efforts
"The free market"

In specific terms what does Paul do that's none of the above to fix this problem?

did the seminar say how uhc systems (Canada/uk) addresses the dementia problems?

 

[IGBT]

it can be defunded and dismantled capped and contained effectively resulting in a repeal.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

did the seminar say how uhc systems (Canada/uk) addresses the dementia problems?

No, because it doesn't. Neither does ours or any others but where there are a lot of boomers there is this problem coming up and it's huge.

Perhaps it's not been properly explained.

If you were to look at the age demographic of our nation and those which have a substantial Boomer population you'll see that the percentage of elderly as part of the population increases markedly. It's established fact that older people need more health resources. This is an immutable quantity of aging. The conditions which accompany aging are resource andcostintensive. You can read the statistics on how much diabetes, heart disease, senile dementia and all the other complications associated with aging.

Now imagine that's the largest demographic.

It ought to be immediately obvious that it's a money consuming monster. The only way to deal with it is to prevent what can be prevented, mitigate what cannot and plan now to have the needed resources. This will be the item which will eat economies if not properly handled. Co cuts in reimbursement or anything else will come close to dealing with it if it's ignored or dealt with "well in..."

This is a major crisis which must occur barring miraculous cures.

 

[sportage]

Well lets see here...

Obamacare kicks in 2014.
Elections 2016.
"if", as predicted, millions more become insured than were before.
And "if", as predicted, costs are actually lower for those in employer based insurance plans.
And "if" companies like UPS find having happy insured healthy employees is actually better than not having happy healthy insured employees.
And "if" that 20 year old man or woman finds he/she can now get insurance for pennies where as before he elected NOT to insure.
And "if", as predicted, states ran by republican governors fighting against Obamacare feel the heat from residents demanding participation in Obamacare affordable exchange pools. Or else... bye bye gov.
"if" even some of these "if's" come to pass (as they say in the bible), then "no", a future republican president would not even dare bring up the subject of repeal.

Would that not be interesting and a kicker in the ass for republicans, that in 2016 Obamacare repeal talk in public was as of dirty words as saying the words privatize social security???
Well wouldn't it ???

I predict the sky will not fall in from Obamacare.
And that people will suddenly realize the truth and benefits of actually having the ability to have healthcare when before they could not.
And those young citizens feeling they are invincible health Gods and could never imagine they might land in up the ER needing emergency care, or suddenly finding their toddler diagnosed with some life threatening illness, where buying insurance through the exchange would now save them from bankruptcy by having affordable insurance through available Obamacare, as it were.

Where in all actuality Obamacare is just a term or word used for making affordable healthcare available to nearly most every American regardless of age, health status, or ability to pay by the creation of insurance exchange pools available to all.

Yes, I do believe Obamacare will come to be a loved thing by those with employer based insurance in the form of lower premiums. A loved thing from those using the exchange pools. A loved thing from those invincible healthy young citizens who feel the risk of not having any insurance at all far outweighs the small cost of having it for themselves and for their young family.

Yes, once all the far right Obama hating, smoke and mirror loving, fear mongering, Obamacare "the sky is falling" false prophet voices die away and are replaced with fact vs fiction, I do believe not one candidate in his or her right mind will dare bring up the subject of repealing come 2016 election cycle.
Well... not any sane candidate for president actually hoping to get votes.

And keep an eye on those anti Obamacare republican governors up for re election come 2016.
Watch them sing a new tune, like pretty damn quick.
I think the tune goes something like this...
"who me? I'd never never, never talked bad, bad, bad about O,O, oooH Obamacare.
No, no, no, not me."