Can Obama win in 2012 without lowering gas prices?

[ProfJohn]

Anyone else get the feeling that there is NO way for Obama to win in 2012 if he can't get the price of gas to come down?

The Republican nominee will be a perfect position to hammer away at Obama and the Democrats for their anti-oil stance and how that raises the prices of gas that we pay.

Will be hard to Obama to explain it away.

Let's also not forget the fact that elevated gas prices will probably kill the economy and any recovery long before the election so Obama's really needs to get working on something or else he is toast.

 

[MotF Bane]

1) Obama has secured his national security / war on terror credentials. Remember 2004 - national security / war on terror was a major point in the election. Now the Republicans can't really attack Obama for that.

2) Name a competent Republican candidate. Go on, try it. Right now, who is going to manage to attract the religious/socially conservative base, and the mainstream right, and the independent vote? Here's a hint - nobody. If they're religious and socially conservative enough to get the "base", the independents are staying with Obama. If they're normal enough and in touch with the real world, thus getting votes from independents and mainstream right, the "base" is going to be throwing poop.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

The President ultimately has no real control over the price of gas and anyone who would cast a vote over that issue should be banned from voting in the first place. That kind of reasoning is a part and parcel of everything that is wrong with this country today.

 

[Greenman]

Yup, he can.

I'm in the "it doesn't matter anymore" party. We're fucked at this point, the debt will never be paid, so why not go on the biggest spending spree in the history of ever? All new infrastructure throughout the US, $25 an hour minimum wage, government subsidized housing and cars for everyone, free insurance (every kind), free education for as long as you want, government paid retirement at age 55.
Lets have the mother of all party's and watch Rome burn

 

[dmcowen674]

Can Obama win in 2012 without lowering gas prices?

Anyone else get the feeling that there is NO way for Obama to win in 2012 if he can't get the price of gas to come down?

The Republican nominee will be a perfect position to hammer away at Obama and the Democrats for their anti-oil stance and how that raises the prices of gas that we pay.

Will be hard to Obama to explain it away.

Let's also not forget the fact that elevated gas prices will probably kill the economy and any recovery long before the election so Obama's really needs to get working on something or else he is toast.

Well gas stations went down 4 cents overnight here but the damage is done.

Obama and the oil men got hundreds out of my pocket they should not have. He has lost my vote.

 

[sportage]

Wow!!! The op really believe people forgot republicans were in office during the worst unexplained gas gouging of the American public? So republicans are the answer? WOW!
Thats like letting Charles Manson babysit your kid because Mansion will scare off any intruder. Or putting the fox in charge of the hen house. Or the tobacco companies in charge of stop smoking campaigns. Or... (need I go on?)
The Tea Baggers might be that short termed stupid, their 5% of the voters, but the general public is far beyond that old line "republicans can fix it!". I think republicans in congress and on the campaign trail have bigger things to worry about, like how to give more tax breaks to the oil companies.

"Im a republican... Im your friend!" lol

Ps.. Two things i've learned not to trust. A Priest with a hard-on, and a republican running for office. Both have the same goal in mind...

 

[First]

lmfao. Prof John getting desperate these days.

 

[wuliheron]

lmfao. Prof John getting desperate these days.

You know how it is for professors, publish or perish.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Gas prices doubled, tripled from Clinton->Bush, and Bush got re-elected by scaring the shit outta everyone.

 

[wuliheron]

Gas prices doubled, tripled from Clinton->Bush, and Bush got re-elected by scaring the shit outta everyone.

This time around it could be the republicans themselves that scares the shit out everybody.

 

[Anarchist420]

I don't know, but I have a feeling that if the Republican nominee wins the general election, they might make Obama look like a fiscal moderate. It's hard to imagine now, but Paul and Johnson are the only ones running who are fiscal conservatives. Cain may or may not be a bigot, but he certainly is an idiot. He even called those who were against TARP "free market purists".

 

[PokerGuy]

When you have a billion dollars in your war chest, the liberal media as cheerleaders in your pocket, and millions of fawning cult followers, you have to screw up very very bad to not win re-election. The bummer has screwed up, but I don't think he's screwed up bad enough to lose against a lousy opponent (the repubs don't appear to have anyone to run against the bummer).

 

[boomerang]

He's completely beatable. His own record will do him in with an opponent willing to bring that record to the forefront on a regular basis.

Is Obama a Serial Liar?

The answer is yes.

[FONT=times new roman,times][FONT=times new roman,times]In April, Obama flatly stated that implementing ObamaCare will [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]reduce the deficit by $1 trillion[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]. A day later, the Congressional Budget Office reported that [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]statement was 'incorrect,'[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] pegging the "deficit savings" at $210 billion over 10 years.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times][FONT=times new roman,times]In the same April 15 speech, Obama stated that the tax burden on the wealthy is the lowest it has been in 50 years. A simple [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]fact-check[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] proves him wrong. Obama did not correct his false statement and the media didn't either. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]In January of 2009, [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]Obama stated[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] that it was no longer necessary to kill Osama bin Laden to win the war against al-Qaeda. On May 1, 2011, after the successful raid by Navy Seals that killed bin Laden, Obama told the nation that he made the capture or killing of Osama bin Laden a [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]"top priority,"[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] and had instructed CIA Chief Leon Panetta to make this job number one. Which statement is correct?[/FONT]
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[FONT=times new roman,times]Here's some more fodder for the cannon.

[/FONT]On gas prices -

Steven Chu his energy secretary.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.html

"Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe," Mr. Chu, who directs the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal in September.

Mr. Obama and his staff want energy prices to skyrocket. Obama is on video saying this.

Ariz. Sheriff: Feds Order Release of Illegals to Phony Up Numbers

The U.S. Border Patrol has told its agents to stop arresting illegal aliens crossing the border from Mexico to keep the illegal immigration numbers down, Arizona Sheriff Larry Dever tells Newsmax.

Of course it's no secret that illegal aliens are very much welcomed here by the Obama administration.

These are several of numerous issues that can bring down our 44th President. A pathological liar that is not looking out for the best interests of the nation and its people. The message to hammer home continuously.

 

[classy]

The bummer has screwed up, but I don't think he's screwed up bad enough to lose against a lousy opponent (the repubs don't appear to have anyone to run against the bummer).

This part you are correct. It comes down to the opponent he will face. He has aced the test of defending this nation and being a commander and chief. But without correction to the healthcare bill and true spending reform, I think all in all he will lose.

I have criticized him and at this point still won't vote for him because of the healthcare bill. That was a big mistake. I don't mind when they make mistakes, but when they won't try or refuse to correct the mistakes, I don't believe that's a person worthy of my vote. The Bush tax cuts and the loop holes with businesses have to be addressed first. The whole healthcare law blows so that is to me a blow up and redo project.

 

[dmcowen674]

Well gas stations went down 4 cents overnight here but the damage is done.

Obama and the oil men got hundreds out of my pocket they should not have. He has lost my vote.

Scratch that. Oil up over $3 already today and climbing fast.

Station already raised the price back up 10 cents.

I'm sure they'll be another hike before I go to work again tonight.

 

[rudder]

Sure if the republicans come up with a Palin/anyone ticket.

 

[Anarchist420]

This part you are correct. It comes down to the opponent he will face. He has aced the test of defending this nation and being a commander and chief. But without correction to the healthcare bill and true spending reform, I think all in all he will lose.

I have criticized him and at this point still won't vote for him because of the healthcare bill. That was a big mistake. I don't mind when they make mistakes, but when they won't try or refuse to correct the mistakes, I don't believe that's a person worthy of my vote. The Buch tax cuts and the loop holes with businesses have to be addressed first. The whole healthcare law blows so that is to me a blow up and redo project.

We won't have true spending reform because the Republicans don't want to bring spending under control either. I find it hard to fault Obama alone for that and not Congress too.

 

[zsdersw]

Never underestimate the Democratic or Republican party's ability to fail miserably. The whole damn thing is a crap-shoot.

Anyone expecting hope and change from either party is just asking to be deceived; going on about their lives with arms open and eyes closed.

 

[Anarchist420]

:thumbsup:

Never underestimate the Democratic or Republican party's ability to fail miserably. The whole damn thing is a crap-shoot.

Anyone expecting hope and change from either party is just asking to be deceived; going on about their lives with arms open and eyes closed.

 

[classy]

We won't have true spending reform because the Republicans don't want to bring spending under control either. I find it hard to fault Obama alone for that and not Congress too.

Well Obama does have power, its called Veto.

 

[xj0hnx]

1) Obama has secured his national security / war on terror credentials. Remember 2004 - national security / war on terror was a major point in the election. Now the Republicans can't really attack Obama for that.

This isn't 2004, Americans are sick of, and can not afford, the wars, and ramping them up isn't going to help.

2) Name a competent Republican candidate. Go on, try it. Right now, who is going to manage to attract the religious/socially conservative base, and the mainstream right, and the independent vote? Here's a hint - nobody. If they're religious and socially conservative enough to get the "base", the independents are staying with Obama. If they're normal enough and in touch with the real world, thus getting votes from independents and mainstream right, the "base" is going to be throwing poop.

A moderate republican that can get the center and independents is going to get the "base" by default just as a vote against Obama.

 

[MotF Bane]

You know how it is for professors, publish or perish.

Heh.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Name a competent Republican candidate.

This ^

 

[MotF Bane]

This isn't 2004, Americans are sick of, and can not afford, the wars, and ramping them up isn't going to help.

And do you think the Republicans are going to talk about scaling back or ending wars? That'll be the day.

A moderate republican that can get the center and independents is going to get the "base" by default just as a vote against Obama.

Unless the base votes for a third candidate, and the Republican party ends up fighting itself.

Besides, I don't really see the base being particularly accommodating towards the nomination going to a reasonable choice.

 

[Jaskalas]

A moderate republican that can get the center and independents is going to get the "base" by default just as a vote against Obama.

Yes, we need 'electable' men like Bush, McCain, Romney. Neocons and fascists all the way down!