Can new Barton 2500+ be ....

[txxxx]

Be unlocked (multiplier) using the wire trick? I did this with my T-Bred 2100+ as my MSI nForce2 (K7N2-L) refuses to unlock the multiplier without

I hear there locked, not sure whether this will bypass this.

Thanks, txxxx

 

[myocardia]

I don't think that will work, because they are "hard-locked", which is different than your XP 2100. Matter of fact, that 2100 was actually not locked at all. You were just tricking the motherboard with the wire, not the processor.

 

[txxxx]

MSI nForce2's WILL NOT change multiplier without wire trick.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: txxxx
MSI nForce2's WILL NOT change multiplier without wire trick.

Read my post again, txxx. Like I said, you had to trick the motherboard into letting you overclock. Put that same 2100 into my system, right now, and it's unlocked. I can run it with as low as a 5.0x multi, up to a 24x multi. You had/have a motherboard that's locked, not a cpu that's locked!

 

[sugarkang]

you CANNOT unlock any of the new bartons. you must find one before week 39.

it doesn't matter all that much, since 166--> 200+mhz fsb is still possible.
still the best deal around, hands down.

 

[mrgoblin]

They arent necessarily hardlocked because they are already locked. Your motherboard unlocks them. As some research was done at overclockers.com, its very unlikely they changed anything on the chip. Theres no kind of coating on the processor or physical appearences though. It is likely they did somethign thats reversible but risky to do and im not talking about penciling in bridges. I got lucky and managed to find a stash of week 37's. Bought 10 of em and sold em privately.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Yea, the FSB isn't locked so you can still obtain 3200+ speeds.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: txxxx
MSI nForce2's WILL NOT change multiplier without wire trick.

Actually that is wrong. there are 2 ranges of multis on Athlon xps a lower range of 5x-12.5x I believe and the higher range of 13x+. The 2100+ is a 13x chip so in that MSI board without the wire trick all you can get is 13x and higher multis. The MSI bios however only shows the lower range of multis in the bios which is misleading you to think you are attempting to run at 200mhzfsb with for example a 7 multi in reality is a 14 multi which makes your overclock 2.8 gig. Not likely is it. If you don't believe me undo your wire trick and try a 7 multi @ a safe 100mhz fsb and you will get 1400 or 1500 mhz been a while since i ditched my MSI so i don't remember exactly how the multi values translate from high range to low range but you will see what i mean. The reason it all works right with the wire trick is that wire tricks the board into usinf the lower multi range for real so that the multis shown in the bios are actually what they say they are. That same chip in for example a Soltek SL-75FRN-RL will have all the multis available in the bios no wire trick necessary.

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: NesuD

Originally posted by: txxxx
MSI nForce2's WILL NOT change multiplier without wire trick.

Actually that is wrong. there are 2 ranges of multis on Athlon xps a lower range of 5x-12.5x I believe and the higher range of 13x+. The 2100+ is a 13x chip so in that MSI board without the wire trick all you can get is 13x and higher multis. The MSI bios however only shows the lower range of multis in the bios which is misleading you to think you are attempting to run at 200mhzfsb with for example a 7 multi in reality is a 14 multi which makes your overclock 2.8 gig. Not likely is it. If you don't believe me undo your wire trick and try a 7 multi @ a safe 100mhz fsb and you will get 1400 or 1500 mhz been a while since i ditched my MSI so i don't remember exactly how the multi values translate from high range to low range but you will see what i mean. The reason it all works right with the wire trick is that wire tricks the board into usinf the lower multi range for real so that the multis shown in the bios are actually what they say they are. That same chip in for example a Soltek SL-75FRN-RL will have all the multis available in the bios no wire trick necessary.

Thanks for that,
Other than this problem, its been pretty stable, although I am tempted to throw it out the window if it cries about my new barton 2500+ , its a nightmare to reset its BIOS...

 

[NesuD]

100 mhz safemode jumper is preferable to clearing cmos. just set that safemode jumper for 100 mhz and the FSB should be locked to 100 mhz so you can go into the bios and undo any changes that may have caused the board to not boot. before installing the 2500+ I would make sure to set everything to auto or default as far as cpu voltage, FSB, and multipliers are concerned reboot it once to make sure everything took hold correctly then shutdown and change the CPUs. Should restart fine if you do it that way with the new barton.

 

[seepy83]

Originally posted by: sugarkang
you CANNOT unlock any of the new bartons. you must find one before week 39.

just a side note, i have seen several people claim that their week 41 2500+ bartons are not locked. i believe it was over at hardocp.

 

[Evdawg]

isnt default MULT @ 10.5? so you would have to up FSB to a higher number to compensate for the .5 on the mult? 11x200 = 2200

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Evdawg
isnt default MULT @ 10.5? so you would have to up FSB to a higher number to compensate for the .5 on the mult? 11x200 = 2200

11x166=1.83ghz that's a 2500+