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Can Muslims be good Americans? (From an e-mail I received)

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HomerJS

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Colin Powell brought this up in his MTP interview. The McCain campaign seems to be fomenting this kind of attitide.
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Religion - the bane of humanity.
You realize your savior went to church for 20 years, right?
Not my savior. I think he'll do well in spite of this.

It would be ironic if did indeed pull the country out of the cesspool the repugs have created though.
 

magomago

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I should be at work (i asked for time off to vote early)...but I'll write something up because this is just stupid. At the very least, atleast I have it written already if I get a stupid spam like that...

Originally posted by: aphex
Just got this from a hardcore republican acquaintance of mine. Do these idiots actually believe any the crap they send? This is just insane.

Subject: A must read for all Americans

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?
This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to Finish and send it on to anyone who will read it. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.. The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia
Religiously - no. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews ..
Politically- no. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders),who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.
Domestically- no. . . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)
Intellectually- no. . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it isbased on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically- no. . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually- no. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.
Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. . ..
And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our President? You have GOT to be kidding! Wake up America !
Obama even says if he wins the election, he will be sworn in on the Quran---not a Bible!
Footnote:He was sworn in on the Quran for his current office and he refuses to pledge allegiance to the United States or put his hand over his heart when the National Anthem is played! The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. Hello! Having a Muslim president would seem to fit the bill! Will you trust this man with our national secrets?
SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.
I don't even know where to begin. :roll:

Theologically- doesn't matter. The US has no requirements on religion and people can believe that a flying mass of spaghetti created this world if they so choose to. Furthermore, the word "Allah" simply means "God" in Arabic. Go speak to Christian Arabs - they will also refer to "Allah". Don't mix Pre Islamic Pagan religions with the religion itself - much like Abraham at Ur, Mohammed also smashed the idol. It betrays the idiocy of whoever wrote this

Religiously - Do you suggest that those who believe in a God, put a Government (man made) above a God (the alleged eternal and supreme)? This would hold true for any religious group, however it is still possible to believe and hold allegiance to God while still respecting the many laws of the land. Do you know what Government mandates that the state is above any form of a supreme creator? China. Are you advocating Chinese Communism now?

Scripturally - What in the constitution does Religious scripture play a role? Nothing in the very least. Almost all the founding fathers were diests - Thomas Jefferson even created his own version of the Bible. If these founding fathers were truly the devout Christians you described, it is amusing that the only reference to God would be in the decleration of independence as 'our creator'. No mention of Jesus, no mention of Christianity, no mention of the Bible.
To say that Muslims do not follow the Christian Bible as if this should scare us, would only suprise an idiot. Did you know that Hindus in the United States do not follow the Bible as well? These categories are made up without any facts - it is just a attempting to sew fear

Geographically - Again, this point makes no sense at all. Does this mean a Jew cannot be a citizen because his allegiance is to Israel? Does this even question our own, as you falsely claim, 'Christian Beliefs', because Jesus never said the word "America" at all. Can a Chinese person only have allegiance to China?? At least a Muslim can become a Christian, someone who is Chinese can never change that, so it must mean that we must view them with ever greater suspicion! (That was an attempt at sarcasm, but I felt the need to make it explicit, because your IQ doesn't seem too high and you may not have noticed that.)

Socially - I recommend you read the Quran. It sounds like you have not, especially if you need to trail off into ellipses. There is nothing that prevents a Muslim from befriending another - the only thing that does prevent befriending another is if the other is attacking you. I highly suggest speaking to some Muslims first...you will find them at work, in a super market, or most other places that all Americans visit.

Politically - Again, whoever wrote this knows nothing about Islam. There is no hierarchy at all, and even any title of Mullah is simply recognition of someone by a community for some type of theological analysis and may not be recognized by others. They call us the "great satan", yet you call them the greatest threat to this world. The extremists of Islam are on the same wavelength as you are : eliminate that which you do not agree with.

Domestically - because America has absolutey NO domestic violence, right? (Again that is Sarcasm) Because Christians have NEVER beat their wives (Again, sarcasm). Perhaps you should learn to distinguish human behavior from religion. Idiots will beat their wives regardless of religion. Although Islam does sanction up to four wives (but it requires the approval of the existing wife/wives...good luck with that) it emphasizes repeatedly that one wife is the best method.

Intellectually - no again. You know little over our history as a country. This country was not founded on the Bible at all. Period. Furthermore, the Jews do not believe in the new testament. Does this make them intellectually incapable of being citizens as well? Your fear mongering tactics are ridiculous.

Philosophically - no again. You reallly need to read the Quran once more. Here let me help you by actually quoting a piece WITHIN context 2:256 There is no compulsion in religion. Let us look at what happens if someone rejects the message of Islam: 16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you). As it can be seen, this is a lie. Furthermore, it was Muslim Arabs who preserved and transcribed many Ancient Classics that Europe was busy burning. This extended into further PHILOSOPHY and EXPANSION upon the ideas of the Greeks - even the founder of modern secularism is a Muslim by the name of Ibn Rushd, also known as "Averroes".

Spiritually - here is a list of the 99 games of God, NOT the Quran. Although if you understood JUST a little bit about Islam, you would learn that these are simply a sample - he goes by all names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_names_of_God .
If you read that list you can see "The Loving, The Kind One" as AL-WADUD, of course I'm not expecting whoever wrote this email to actually have researched anything. Just for kicks, this list also includes: The Most Merciful in Essence,The Most Gracious, The Peace and Blessing, The Ever Providing, The Utterly Just, The Subtly Kind, The All Forgiving, The Nourisher, The Bountiful, The Generous, The Loving, The Kind One, The Pardoner, The Effacer of Sins, The Compassionate, The All Pitying, The Patient, The Timeless.

It did not take a little bit of study and very quick deliberation to realize that this email is a total lie. It attempts to revise history and make absolutely false claims about Muslims in general, as well as separate the millions of American Muslims from their own American identity. If I am suspicious of anything, it is of YOU, because you have clearly shown to make up information as you desire it.

Barack Obama is Not a Muslim. If that was the case, why has he been going to Reverend Wright's Church for 20 years? Is Wright also a secret Muslim?

To preserve freedom we need to defend everyone against baseless accusations, and entirely false (And laughable) claims of 'logic'. Freedom isn't free, because it has to be defended from the likes of you.
 

ayabe

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You could do a find and replace for Muslim with Evangelical and get about the same impact.

Intolerance is a somewhat universal theme for fundies of all stripes.
 

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