Trying to set up a network of 4 computers with one internet connection. Is there a way to do it to avoid detection of the network?
Can ISP's detect use of router? If so, how to avoid it...
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Most ISPs don't care. You're saving them from handing out *more* IP addresess, which there (theoretically) a limited number of.
I've never known an ISP to care if you use a router.
I've never known an ISP to care if you use a router.
Well, this is for a univeristy apartment setting where the ISP requires each roommate in teh apartment to acquire their own internet access, instead of sharing.
This would only work if each machine on the router has different users. I have 5 machines on a router with a switch added on but I am the only user so they could never find out using this method.
My ISP which is Charter wants people to use a router just for the little protectrion that it offers from the outside. But in any case I doubt they will look you over to find a router.
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A router attaches an additional chunk of information to each packet, so it can route it back to the requesting computer. This is detectable, regardless of how or what you do behind the router. It is another thing though, if the ISP or college department cares to look for such information.
Some isp's don't like the use of routers, because they use a private ip network and can dish out as many 10.x.x.x ip addresses as they want... and in turn they'd like you to pay for more ip addresses.
my isp doesn't care, they actually promote routers.
in your case, are you trying to give access to more people than just yourself, or are you just hooking up more than one computer?
my isp doesn't care, they actually promote routers.
in your case, are you trying to give access to more people than just yourself, or are you just hooking up more than one computer?
alll they can do is count the TTL on the packet.
iptables has a patch to change the TTL on the packet i use it for no real reason other than i can
iptables has a patch to change the TTL on the packet i use it for no real reason other than i can
I think an ISP would really try to stop you from using a router is if you were using one to share your connection with a neighbor. Because technically that's stealing cable, and they don't like that.
It is a 4 bedroom apartment. And the ISP wants each of the roommates to pay for their own IP. Which is kind of annoying. But oh well
Also, having one main computer connect to the internet, and having it do ICS with the router, and the router then provide connection to the other computers help the detection issue?
Also, having one main computer connect to the internet, and having it do ICS with the router, and the router then provide connection to the other computers help the detection issue?
The router attaches that router side, on the indside of your network. There is no way for the ISP to re-examine a packet like that.
What do you mean have it do ICS with the router? Windows can do ICS, or a router can do it internally, its the same thing. I dont think it would really make a difference, but I could be wrong. I doubt they actively try to tell, but I suppose you never know. I guess what you could do, to make it legal, is Have all of your roomates 'give' you their computers so that you own them, and then share the connection with those computers.
Does it explicitly say NO routing or routers or do they just say" we would like you all to pay for an Ip addy'?
I would like to ad that I would like my company to pay me a salary of $8,000,000 a year, but they don't.
So if the ISP would like you to pay, but does not state you can't use routers in their TOS, then well, they are out of luck like I am.
The router is undetectable. Period. They were designed to be transparent.
They can do analysis of data and things which may *suggest* that you are sharing the connection, but they have NO way to be
certain. In your case however, they will likely walk up to your room and knock on the door
But no, they can not know for certain as it is not detectable.
OTOH, if this is a wireless router, they will certainly come knocking as you will be doing something for free that they would be wanting to
charge for. Probably they don't want it because they are greedy and want money for offering a service they do not really offer.
Fees for internet connections should be by IP address, nothing more. if your only using 1, you should only be charged for 1.
They can do analysis of data and things which may *suggest* that you are sharing the connection, but they have NO way to be
certain. In your case however, they will likely walk up to your room and knock on the door
But no, they can not know for certain as it is not detectable.
OTOH, if this is a wireless router, they will certainly come knocking as you will be doing something for free that they would be wanting to
charge for. Probably they don't want it because they are greedy and want money for offering a service they do not really offer.
Fees for internet connections should be by IP address, nothing more. if your only using 1, you should only be charged for 1.
well you might want to try and make a router out of an old PIII or something. I think you can do this, I am not too sure how to do it but maybe you can.
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The MAC address on the WAN port of the router can also be a giveaway to the ISP if you are not cloning an address. Since all manufactures have specified ranges for their MAC addresses they could also tell that way if you were using a router, unless you had cloned the MAC addy.
Originally posted by: dnoyeb
The router is undetectable. Period. They were designed to be transparent.
They can do analysis of data and things which may *suggest* that you are sharing the connection, but they have NO way to be
certain. In your case however, they will likely walk up to your room and knock on the door
But no, they can not know for certain as it is not detectable.
OTOH, if this is a wireless router, they will certainly come knocking as you will be doing something for free that they would be wanting to
charge for. Probably they don't want it because they are greedy and want money for offering a service they do not really offer.
Fees for internet connections should be by IP address, nothing more. if your only using 1, you should only be charged for 1.
WRONG! and others have already posted ways it IS detectable.
routers are detectible as they modify the packet along each hop.
Depending on what is modified I can even tell you what brand of router it is.
But an ISP really doesn't care.
Depending on what is modified I can even tell you what brand of router it is.
But an ISP really doesn't care.
If they want everyone to have their own service, it may be because they want to make everyone accountable individually. Is there a code of conduct or terms of service that keep you from accessing certain sites or using the ISP for particular purposes that they are trying to monitor? If so, you should probably realize that if you do share your ISP with your roomies you become responsible for any of their actions on the net as well.
Did they ask for the MAC address of your computer/network card when they hooked you up? If so, just have your router spoof (or clone) the MAC address of the computer/network card the ISP is currently hooked up to. You should have no problem from there.
Did they ask for the MAC address of your computer/network card when they hooked you up? If so, just have your router spoof (or clone) the MAC address of the computer/network card the ISP is currently hooked up to. You should have no problem from there.
This is just a spur of the moment comment, I haven't thought it all the way through.
ICS requires two network connections, a WAN side and LAN side. ICS by default uses 192.168.1.1 for the LAN side (unless someone is daring enough to run REGEDIT).
The WAN/LAN combinations could be:
1) Wired WAN to a DSL or cable modem, and WLAN to another wireless device or even ad hoc.
2) Wireless WAN to a hotspot or wireless provider, and LAN to hub, or even another router.
Now if the WAN side was set to 192.168.1.x, ICS would see a conflict, the same way if you set up a router's LAN to same subnet as the WAN.
As an ISP, we offer a "light" tier of service for low-income apartment residents and allow only one connected computer. Some residents are somewhat networking savvy and I could envision them connecting to my AP via their laptop's wireless card, and ICS out the LAN port to a hub.
We also keep track of their laptop's wireless card's MAC addy and all MACs have to be accounted for in our database.
Again...I haven't thought this out yet and may be missing something.
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