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Alaa

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Originally posted by: K1052

Another justification, like what I posted above.

If criticising Islam and standing in the way of its expansion makes the western world a target, then so be it. Whatever it takes not fall under the boot heel of Islamic law I am for.

This is not a justification we have to defend our religion and of course It's not by ways that terrorists follow nowadays but with official war if Islam is OFFICIALLY attacked by any country. I see this as a rule. I don't know how you are against Islamic law when you are living in the US ?? as long as you don't live in an Islamic land then don't bother yourself with our rules! we simply want to spread knowledge about Islam and we don't want everyone to convert. It's your choice and not ours but we have to make you have the CHOICE to convert or not, or it will be against us if we did not report words of Allah to everyone!
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Alaa
Originally posted by: K1052

Another justification, like what I posted above.

If criticising Islam and standing in the way of its expansion makes the western world a target, then so be it. Whatever it takes not fall under the boot heel of Islamic law I am for.

This is not a justification we have to defend our religion and of course It's not by ways that terrorists follow nowadays but with official war if Islam is OFFICIALLY attacked by any country. I see this as a rule. I don't know how you are against Islamic law when you are living in the US ?? as long as you don't live in an Islamic land then don't bother yourself with our rules! we simply want to spread knowledge about Islam and we don't want everyone to convert. It's your choice and not ours but we have to make you have the CHOICE to convert or not, or it will be against us if we did not report words of Allah to everyone!

We already have that freedom here thanks very much. We also have the freedom to be critical of any religion in any way we chose. That is what seems to really get the hardcore Muslims' panties in a knot. We are not going to suppress dissent simply because you don't like it and no amount of violence is going to make us reconsider.
 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: Alaa
My religion gives me the right to attack you IF YOU attack me. got it?

So, a cartoon constitutes as an attack that can result in a beheading?


I should add that Jihad is a way for Muslims to spread Islam IF others stay in the way of Islam.

Is that a euphemism for killing and slaughtering?
Define "stay in the way".


I couldn't find anything from INSIDE Islam that tells me to attack non-Muslims for nothing!!

Me thinks you just did....
(simply classify any action/utterance as an attack, and viola!)
 

Alaa

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Originally posted by: K1052
We already have that freedom here thanks very much. We also have the freedom to be critical of any religion in any way we chose. That is what seems to really get the hardcore Muslims' panties in a knot. We are not going to suppress dissent simply because you don't like it and no amount of violence is going to make us reconsider.

If your criticism is not constructive then do not blame us!!! after all you choose violence by choosing your destructive criticism.
 

Alaa

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Originally posted by: dna

So, a cartoon constitutes as an attack that can result in a beheading?
As I said destructive criticism is not welcome!! It's not nice to insult our Prophet -pbuh-

Is that a euphemism for killing and slaughtering?
Define "stay in the way".
Well it's like standing against Islam because it might spread more than your religion or whatever you believe in!!??
you let us spread WORDS and everything is fine!!
Me thinks you just did....
(simply classify any action/utterance as an attack, and viola!)

again, no proof!
 

LEDominator

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The Cartoon was not "destructive criticism." It made a statement about what the author believed Islam to be and it would seem he hit the nail right on the head, especially considering the response it got.

Here it is if anyone is interested: Linky The one with Mohammed with a turban bomb is the one that bothered most people.

[edit] Link
 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: Alaa
As I said destructive criticism is not welcome!! It's not nice to insult our Prophet -pbuh-

Going from "not nice" to chop-chop heads is quite a step.

Well it's like standing against Islam because it might spread more than your religion or whatever you believe in!!??
you let us spread WORDS and everything is fine!!

You mean words like these?
WIth $75 billion you spread a lot of words.


again, no proof!
So, the tube/bus bombings in London were because ............. ?
 

straightalker

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Alaa you don't sound for real.

A real Muslim would not talk so foolishly about jihad by telling everyone just for kicks that jihad (genocide) is what they will suffer if they get in the way of Islam.

What is also so foolish is Alaa's rediculous idea that Islam can just push out of their way (declare war against) and defeat any Nation like Israel, the USA or any other major powerful Country that will not convert to Islam.

You can't possibly believe that nonsense and be an honest poster here at the same time so you have to be a troll. A rudimentary deduction.

...next
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Alaa
Originally posted by: K1052
We already have that freedom here thanks very much. We also have the freedom to be critical of any religion in any way we chose. That is what seems to really get the hardcore Muslims' panties in a knot. We are not going to suppress dissent simply because you don't like it and no amount of violence is going to make us reconsider.

If your criticism is not constructive then do not blame us!!! after all you choose violence by choosing your destructive criticism.

We should just lob a Minuteman III with an inert warhead into the mosque that contains the Kaaba in Mecca with a little note stuffed inside "Persist and the next one will be real. Signed: the Infidels."

If you want to take us to the wall over this I can pretty much assure you we will not fail.
 

dwell

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Originally posted by: Alaa
Originally posted by: dna

So, a cartoon constitutes as an attack that can result in a beheading?
As I said destructive criticism is not welcome!! It's not nice to insult our Prophet -pbuh-
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Then your prophet is a humorous dipwad and I'd rather go to hell than be with the likes of him for all eternity.

Damn, you can dunk a crucifix in a jar of piss and showcase a pic of it as art, but forbid you poke fun at The Prophet *rolleyes* *rollhead* Jesus gets more laughs these days than Bozo the Clown, yet I doubt he's going to smite anyone over it. He's probably up there laughing and some of the jokes on him. The ones from Penny Arcade in particular.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/08/04

http://www.thinkgeek.com/pennyarcade/shirts/84c5/

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/12/12

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/1999/11/19


 

yllus

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Originally posted by: Alaa
Originally posted by: K1052
We already have that freedom here thanks very much. We also have the freedom to be critical of any religion in any way we chose. That is what seems to really get the hardcore Muslims' panties in a knot. We are not going to suppress dissent simply because you don't like it and no amount of violence is going to make us reconsider.
If your criticism is not constructive then do not blame us!!! after all you choose violence by choosing your destructive criticism.
Irony: Words are met with violence. Love to see the verse in the Koran that justifies that.
 

Alaa

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Originally posted by: LEDominator
The Cartoon was not "destructive criticism." It made a statement about what the author believed Islam to be and it would seem he hit the nail right on the head, especially considering the response it got.

Here it is if anyone is interested: Linky The one with Mohammed with a turban bomb is the one that bothered most people.

[edit] Link

I wouldn't call this constructive because IT IS an insult. no way!
 

linkgoron

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Originally posted by: Alaa
Originally posted by: LEDominator
The Cartoon was not "destructive criticism." It made a statement about what the author believed Islam to be and it would seem he hit the nail right on the head, especially considering the response it got.

Here it is if anyone is interested: Linky The one with Mohammed with a turban bomb is the one that bothered most people.

[edit] Link

I wouldn't call this constructive because IT IS an insult. no way!

Meh, I'm a Jew, and you can make cartoons about Mosses, or anyone you want for all I care. You won't see me burn flags and buildings because of some cartoons. Seriously, you won't see Christians burn flags and building if you make a cartoon of Jesus or something.
If you really think that kind of response to a cartoon is justified... even if it's not "nice"?


My religion gives me the right to attack you IF YOU attack me. got it? I should add that Jihad is a way for Muslims to spread Islam IF others stay in the way of Islam.

Sorry, please tell me where the way of Islam is exactly and also please tell me what exactly is the path of Islam is. Is a cartoon an attack? You can make a public announcment or something, saying that those cartoons are a disgrace or anything like that. Make a counter-cartoon I don't know what. A massive wave of violance is unacceptable.


How can you say Islam is a religion of peace, and yet make it sound acceptable when there's worldwide violance because of a freaking cartoon?
 

Alaa

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Originally posted by: dna
You mean words like these?
WIth $75 billion you spread a lot of words.
Do not Insult our prophet and do not Insult us, be ready to talk and we will just be fine. You insults are not going to help in this situation because this cartoon was built upon hate and not true Islam.

So, the tube/bus bombings in London were because ............. ?
human faults! It does not have to be related to Islam!! no one can justify killing citizens in Islam.
 

linkgoron

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Originally posted by: Alaa
Originally posted by: dna
You mean words like these?
WIth $75 billion you spread a lot of words.
Do not Insult our prophet and do not Insult us, be ready to talk and we will just be fine. You insults are not going to help in this situation because this cartoon was built upon hate and not true Islam.

So, the tube/bus bombings in London were because ............. ?
human faults! It does not have to be related to Islam!! no one can justify killing citizens in Islam.

Yes we hear that all the time. That all these suicide bombers, or just plain citizen killings, are not "True Islam", yet on the other hand you warn people to "not insult" Islam, or else.


human faults! It does not have to be related to Islam!! no one can justify killing citizens in Islam.

Yet they do.
 

Alaa

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Originally posted by: dna
About the cartoons -- it seems it didn't insult anybody until they were told they should feel insulted....

Reference: Sandmonkey's entry

well that's wut it seems to be!! but it's not like that. Once we heard of them we went angry because to make drawings of our prophet in an improper way is not a good message about Islam and could delude a lot of people plus, it is against Islam to draw the prophet.
 

linkgoron

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Originally posted by: Alaa
Originally posted by: dna
About the cartoons -- it seems it didn't insult anybody until they were told they should feel insulted....

Reference: Sandmonkey's entry

well that's wut it seems to be!! but it's not like that. Once we heard of them we went angry because to make drawings of our prophet in an improper way is not a good message about Islam and could delude a lot of people plus, it is against Islam to draw the prophet.

AND OBVIOUSLY the way to keep people from being deluded, is by a WAVE OF VIOLANCE! YES, smart move.
And it's against Islam to draw the prophet? Since when is Islam the ruling law of the world?
 

Alaa

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Originally posted by: straightalker
Alaa you don't sound for real.

A real Muslim would not talk so foolishly about jihad by telling everyone just for kicks that jihad (genocide) is what they will suffer if they get in the way of Islam.

What is also so foolish is Alaa's rediculous idea that Islam can just push out of their way (declare war against) and defeat any Nation like Israel, the USA or any other major powerful Country that will not convert to Islam.

You can't possibly believe that nonsense and be an honest poster here at the same time so you have to be a troll. A rudimentary deduction.

...next

I am real accept it or not!
I just wanted to explain a lil bit about jihad to you and that it's not related to terrorism now and not as punishment or anything but this is its most important reason. It's not if you Don't CONVERT It's about SPREADING words of Allah.
 

Alaa

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Originally posted by: K1052
We should just lob a Minuteman III with an inert warhead into the mosque that contains the Kaaba in Mecca with a little note stuffed inside "Persist and the next one will be real. Signed: the Infidels."

If you want to take us to the wall over this I can pretty much assure you we will not fail.

Did I try to talk with a fan boy here?
 

Alaa

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Originally posted by: linkgoron
Meh, I'm a Jew, and you can make cartoons about Mosses, or anyone you want for all I care. You won't see me burn flags and buildings because of some cartoons. Seriously, you won't see Christians burn flags and building if you make a cartoon of Jesus or something.
If you really think that kind of response to a cartoon is justified... even if it's not "nice"?

If you accept it then its your decision but my religion does not accept so are you going to respect my religion?

Sorry, please tell me where the way of Islam is exactly and also please tell me what exactly is the path of Islam is. Is a cartoon an attack? You can make a public announcment or something, saying that those cartoons are a disgrace or anything like that. Make a counter-cartoon I don't know what. A massive wave of violance is unacceptable.
If what we did is massive then it's because many Muslims are ignorant now and do not know about their religion and that was said many times by Imams
How can you say Islam is a religion of peace, and yet make it sound acceptable when there's worldwide violance because of a freaking cartoon?
It is violence yet it is not coming from religion rules.
 

LEDominator

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Originally posted by: Alaa
Originally posted by: dna
About the cartoons -- it seems it didn't insult anybody until they were told they should feel insulted....

Reference: Sandmonkey's entry

well that's wut it seems to be!! but it's not like that. Once we heard of them we went angry because to make drawings of our prophet in an improper way is not a good message about Islam and could delude a lot of people plus, it is against Islam to draw the prophet.


Thats like saying since Capitalism could delude Fascism and Communism it shouldn't be in those countries. Oh wait, those countries DO ban those ideas. My point: Not everyone is Muslim. You want people to hear your religion is "the one." Fine. We heard and disagree. Moving on we make a cartoon stating that we feel the prophet muhommed brought war and violence. What happens, war and violence. Are we noticing a trend yet? Instead of going apeshit over a cartoon and burning things down and yelling death to Israel, Death to merica, Death to Denmark, perhaps it would've been wiser to ask yourself WHY we perceive things the way we do, rather than confirm how most in the west already believe.
 

Alaa

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Originally posted by: linkgoron

Yes we hear that all the time. That all these suicide bombers, or just plain citizen killings, are not "True Islam", yet on the other hand you warn people to "not insult" Islam, or else.
Yet they do.

you have to know Islam better before you talk about this.what is the problem with Insults? you want us to accept insults?? Is that even Accepted-to accept insults-????