Can i upgrade my processor ?

[varunmehta11]

I have a HP Pavilion 8505, year 1999 model. It's having a Pentium III 450 Mhz clock and 100 Mhz FSB cpu. It's a Katmai Slot 1 SECC2 processor.
I want to upgrade the cpu to 800 Mhz. But i think katmai CPUs have max 600 Mhz clock rate. Will 800 Mhz Coppermine be compatible with my ASUS P2B-VT Motherboard having Intel 440BX Chipset ? If no, then would upgrading the RAM from 192 mb to 384 mb (max possible) improve the system performance instead of the above mentioned cpu upgrade ?

Basically i'm upgrading this pc for improving the internet surfing(cos' browser is working slow), a lot of downloading and also some applications sometimes takes 30 sec - 1 minute to start up.
Does a change from 450 Mhz to 800 Mhz Cpu clock would improve the above or the RAM upgrade from 192 MB to 384 MB or Both?

 

[SlowSpyder]

I wouldn't bother spending a penny on it. You'd be upgrading from an outdated slow computer to an outdated and slow computer.

I do have a slot adapter thing that allows you to use Coppermine CPU's on the slot Pentium motherboards. So you could look into something like that if you insist on upgrading.

 

[varunmehta11]

What type of slot adaptor ?

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: varunmehta11
What type of slot adaptor ?

Its called a Slocket. I believe it allows you to use higher Mulitplier based chips on old outdated Slot 1 Motherboards.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: varunmehta11

Basically i'm upgrading this pc for improving the internet surfing(cos' browser is working slow), a lot of downloading and also some applications sometimes takes 30 sec - 1 minute to start up.
Does a change from 450 Mhz to 800 Mhz Cpu clock would improve the above or the RAM upgrade from 192 MB to 384 MB or Both?

There's not a heck of a lot you can do with only 192mb ram. 384 isn't much better.

I think a most practical solution (depending on available resources), would be to use that old computer as a terminal and make RDP connections to a faster computer running Windows XP Pro or Vista Business. I've been doing this for years, and it's very effective. The only catch is that it can't run games or movies due to RDP limitations.

 

[Rubycon]

That board isn't going to support a coppermine UNLESS your slotket specifically is designed to upgrade it.

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: varunmehta11

Basically i'm upgrading this pc for improving the internet surfing(cos' browser is working slow), a lot of downloading and also some applications sometimes takes 30 sec - 1 minute to start up.
Does a change from 450 Mhz to 800 Mhz Cpu clock would improve the above or the RAM upgrade from 192 MB to 384 MB or Both?

There's not a heck of a lot you can do with only 192mb ram. 384 isn't much better.

I think a most practical solution (depending on available resources), would be to use that old computer as a terminal and make RDP connections to a faster computer running Windows XP Pro or Vista Business. I've been doing this for years, and it's very effective. The only catch is that it can't run games or movies due to RDP limitations.

Im not too sure about the ram issue. My laptop runs fine on 256mb with Windows XP and it is only a 1.2GHz Pentium 3 M. Upping the ram may help some, but a Pentium 3 600MHz+ will help a little bit if he does upgrade.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: varunmehta11
I have a HP Pavilion 8505, year 1999 model. It's having a Pentium III 450 Mhz clock and 100 Mhz FSB cpu. It's a Katmai Slot 1 SECC2 processor.
I want to upgrade the cpu to 800 Mhz. But i think katmai CPUs have max 600 Mhz clock rate. Will 800 Mhz Coppermine be compatible with my ASUS P2B-VT Motherboard having Intel 440BX Chipset ? If no, then would upgrading the RAM from 192 mb to 384 mb (max possible) improve the system performance instead of the above mentioned cpu upgrade ?

Basically i'm upgrading this pc for improving the internet surfing(cos' browser is working slow), a lot of downloading and also some applications sometimes takes 30 sec - 1 minute to start up.
Does a change from 450 Mhz to 800 Mhz Cpu clock would improve the above or the RAM upgrade from 192 MB to 384 MB or Both?

How much is your budget? If it is more than $150 then you should just upgrade the system to a new platform. Get a cheap dual core processor and cheap DDR2 memory to replace it with and drastically improve your performance for very little money. If you go AMD, the onboard graphics is really good, capable of low resolution gaming (1024 x 768 or under) and HD/Blue-Ray playback.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Im not too sure about the ram issue. My laptop runs fine on 256mb with Windows XP and it is only a 1.2GHz Pentium 3 M. Upping the ram may help some, but a Pentium 3 600MHz+ will help a little bit if he does upgrade.

The computer I had at work a year ago was a Semrpon 2400+ running XP with 512mb ram. It was so slow that it was virtually unusable. The OS itself takes about 350mb ram and Firefox takes up another 100mb ram. Switching between the MS Word and Firefox windows would take at least 20 seconds.

 

[Rifter]

No point get a new system.

 

[Insomniator]

Wow that thing is old, even by the usual forum reponse "buy a new machine!!!!" for no reason standard....

 

[100Core]

I agree with soonerproud. My guess is that the adapter you need, and the newer processor itself is going to approach $100. If you consider the price/performance ratio for that $100, its not even close to what buying a cheap new processor/ram/mobo would bring you. $150 can go a long way. Take this configuration for example:


CPU: Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor ($60)

MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard ($53)

RAM: CORSAIR 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) ($26)

Total cost= $139

This could run circles around that old piece!

If you want to use the old comp, scrap it for parts but replace the guts.
Use the case, PSU, moniter, hard drive, keyboard, etc.

 

[varunmehta11]

I'm upgrading this pc just for improving the internet surfing performance and downloading.
The OS is Win XP Pro SP3.

 

[varunmehta11]

Since i don't have the budget of complete upgradation, then the only choice left is to upgrade the RAM.

 

[Gambitz]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: varunmehta11

Basically i'm upgrading this pc for improving the internet surfing(cos' browser is working slow), a lot of downloading and also some applications sometimes takes 30 sec - 1 minute to start up.
Does a change from 450 Mhz to 800 Mhz Cpu clock would improve the above or the RAM upgrade from 192 MB to 384 MB or Both?

There's not a heck of a lot you can do with only 192mb ram. 384 isn't much better.

I think a most practical solution (depending on available resources), would be to use that old computer as a terminal and make RDP connections to a faster computer running Windows XP Pro or Vista Business. I've been doing this for years, and it's very effective. The only catch is that it can't run games or movies due to RDP limitations.

That's pretty interesting.

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Im not too sure about the ram issue. My laptop runs fine on 256mb with Windows XP and it is only a 1.2GHz Pentium 3 M. Upping the ram may help some, but a Pentium 3 600MHz+ will help a little bit if he does upgrade.

The computer I had at work a year ago was a Semrpon 2400+ running XP with 512mb ram. It was so slow that it was virtually unusable. The OS itself takes about 350mb ram and Firefox takes up another 100mb ram. Switching between the MS Word and Firefox windows would take at least 20 seconds.

It really depends on what software you have. A plain windows XP install without any junk installed will take less that 80mb of ram depending on the version you have. When you throw in SP2, you can expect around 120-150mb with just the install.

384mb will help if he doesnt have much to bog him down. SDRam is basically free now a days and the slocket cost around $15 from what I have seen and a new processor of around 600-800MHz I have seen in the freebie section.


Now I am not saying this will be a speed demon or anything, just that it will run XP a tad better. If he had a budget for a new system then that would be great, but as he stated he doesnt have much and it is an old system. Might as well spend $10-20 on it to get it running better until a new PC comes along.

 

[faxon]

lol and to think there's people here who would probably willingly send him a faster system for the cost of shipping. there's probably at least 100 people on this board who have enough old boxes lying around which would run circles around that. if i didnt still want the PSU in it, i have a 2600+ T-Bred AthlonXP with 1GB of ram, a P4 Northwood 2.8GHz w/HT that needs a new mobo, and soon an Athlon 4000+ San Diego on an NF47 EVGA board i just had recapped in an RMA with 2GB of DDR CAS2. all he would need is a PCI-E video card. only problem is, im still running most of them sans the P4 for testing purposes or doing loaner duty to people who dont even have a budget for new systems. the northwood i actually got form the guy who is using the A64, i originally sold it to him to get my A64 rig, and now he's job hunting with $600 in the bank waiting to use it on a new gaming rig with a cheap quad, and until i get more ram and the case video card and PSU in the A64 rig i have an e5200 + 680i sitting on an antistatic pad collecting dust. we probably also have a k7 1GHz athlon with 1GB of PC133 SDR, and a spare Pentium 3 800MHZ laptop with 1GB lying around somewhere in the garage. now, if the mobo was working, i could probably send the p4 rig out for the cost of shipping, except the hard drives in it were scavenged out and cloned right before they both crapped out about 2 weeks after the mobo, and i just scavenged the DVD-ROM drive off it so i could have a DVD drive in my T-Bred for movie watching duty while i use my only other one to install OSes, until i get a BD drive in june. im sure there's someone else here who hasnt scavenged their stuff nearly as heavily as i have yet who could help him out lol

 

[100Core]

if you can get a free processor, and the socket mount for 15$, then I guess do that. But even if the upgrade ends up costing you $50, I still think a new cpu/mobo/ram has a better price/performance ratio