Can I sell The Orange Box?

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I have a retail orange box game and was wondering if I could resell it and the other person use it?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

No. Orange Box is protected by an extraordinarily effective and restrictive form of DRM called "Steam". This software prevents the resale of games.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Damn it. Thanks for the help. Us pc gamers are getting screwed.

 

[zagood]

Gray market - create a new Steam account with every game you buy. Sell account when done with the game you purchased.

 

[wanderer27]

?

Even if he has the Retail (Box) version, he can't resell the game?

I didn't know you had to go through Steam just to play this game . . . . what a total load of . . . . . .

 

[EvilComputer92]

Valve Apologists in 3...2...1

 

[KeypoX]

the things steam does is pretty cool. But it sucks its a requirement. Which i could just add my games to steamand get them updated and stuff. But not be required to run it to run games.

 

[zagood]

KeypoX - use offline mode.

https://support.steampowered.c...php?ref=3160-AGCB-2555

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
No. Orange Box is protected by an extraordinarily effective and restrictive form of DRM called "Steam". This software prevents the resale of games.

:thumbsup:

 

[Ben90]

Originally posted by: zagood
KeypoX - use offline mode.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3160-AGCB-2555">https://support.steampowere......ref=3160-AGCB-2555</a>

"What is Offline Mode?

Offline Mode allows you to play games through Steam..."
'nuff said

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
Damn it. Thanks for the help. Us pc gamers are getting screwed.

you played it, what are u complaining about.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
Damn it. Thanks for the help. Us pc gamers are getting screwed.

To be fair, PC Gamers have always been a little shafted compared to console gamers in terms of a second hand market imo.

I love Steam as a whole, but this is one aspect I really hate about it. I think it would be great if you could gift games you already own. That'd be great for customers to pass on/trade games to friends they don't want. Or in your case resale games they don't want. I'd love to be able to trade games with people or flatout sell.

Of course, they're not in it for the customers now are they

 

[alcoholbob]

You can play games offline, yes...but you still need online validation.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
No. Orange Box is protected by an extraordinarily effective and restrictive form of DRM called "Steam". This software prevents the resale of games.

One alternative might be for them to implement a way to disassociate a game with the account and to transfer it to another one.

I can imagine that part of the reason they do it the way they do is because it would be a nightmare to try to combat the problem of fraud. The overhead increase of having to trace between accounts to eliminate copies of games that were stolen and then sold to others(through credit card fraud or otherwise) would probably create whole new set of complaints by users. Imagine if the game had bounced between 10 different accounts and then it was found to be fraudulent..The people involved would be a huge chain of frustrated individuals.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
No. Orange Box is protected by an extraordinarily effective and restrictive form of DRM called "Steam". This software prevents the resale of games.

One alternative might be for them to implement a way to disassociate a game with the account and to transfer it to another one.

I can imagine that part of the reason they do it the way they do is because it would be a nightmare to try to combat the problem of fraud. The overhead increase of having to trace between accounts to eliminate copies of games that were stolen and then sold to others(through credit card fraud or otherwise) would probably create whole new set of complaints by users. Imagine if the game had bounced between 10 different accounts and then it was found to be fraudulent..The people involved would be a huge chain of frustrated individuals.

I have one copy of HL2 that I can "gift" - and when I do so, it'll be gone from my account. I think they'd be able to set something up very easily - but why bother, when they make more money by not doing it?

 

[0roo0roo]

well mainly the problem is why would they allow you to enjoy their work and then make money back by reselling it. its not in their interest at all. anyways to complain at this point is a bit silly, does anyone really feel ripped off by orange box? it was seriously good content and value.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well mainly the problem is why would they allow you to enjoy their work and then make money back by reselling it. its not in their interest at all. anyways to complain at this point is a bit silly, does anyone really feel ripped off by orange box? it was seriously good content and value.

It's not necessarily a question of feeling ripped off by orange box so much as steams prohibitive measures preventing game resale.

Would I sell my orange box? No.

I could see why a publisher wouldn't want people transferring games to each other, but as a consumer.. booo.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

I rarely sell games, and I would definitely never sell my Orange Box copy, so as long as I can access everything I've bought on Steam, I'm indifferent to the whole "2nd hand market" aspect of it.

Not apologizing for Steam, it's got its problems, but to date me not being able to resell a game I bought on there has not been one of them.

 

[ibex333]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
Damn it. Thanks for the help. Us pc gamers are getting screwed.

you played it, what are u complaining about.

Here's where you are wrong. He bought this game, therefore he owns this particular copy and should be free to resell it to get some of his money back. Yes, I am well aware that some game companies have these retarded draconian rules to prevent piracy, but that doesn't mean I should care or respect that. :|

 

[MStele]

The idea of reselling games is actually kinda odd, considering your licensing the software directly from the developer. You don't own the software, only the media it comes on. If I give you permission to drive a car I own, does that mean you have to right to sell or lend out that car to people I don't know? I realize that selling games is legal, but its a problem because it completely cuts the developer out of a potential sale. One of the reasons console gamers pay $10 extra is to deal with losses due to piracy and to combat stores like Gamestop who consistantly screw developers by focusing on the used game market. Just do like many of us and realize that when you buy a game you should assume that you will never see that money again and that it is lost in the Abyss of the money pit known as gaming. If your so tapped that you need to sell games to make money then you should reevaluate whether you should be playing game in the first place. I'm not directing this at the OP by the way but to gamers in general.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: ibex333

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
Damn it. Thanks for the help. Us pc gamers are getting screwed.

you played it, what are u complaining about.

Here's where you are wrong. He bought this game, therefore he owns this particular copy and should be free to resell it to get some of his money back. Yes, I am well aware that some game companies have these retarded draconian rules to prevent piracy, but that doesn't mean I should care or respect that. :|

Read the EULA sometime, you, the consumer hasn't "owned" a piece of software in years now. What you actually do is lease the license to use a piece of software for an unspecified duration as long as you follow the rules.

Half Life 2 for example

1. Limited Use License. Sierra Entertainment, Inc. (?Sierra?) and Valve
(collectively referred to herein as ?Licensor?) hereby grants, and by installing
the Program you thereby accept, a limited, non-exclusive license and right to
install and use one (1) copy of the Program for your own personal use on a
computer. In addition, the Program has a multi-player capability that allows
users to utilize portions of the Program over the Internet. Use of the Program
over the Internet may be subject to your acceptance of Valve?s, or other
licensed game hosts?, separate terms of use agreement. Valve and other licensed
game hosts reserve the right to update, modify or change any such terms of use
agreement at any time. The Program is licensed, not sold. Your license confers
no title or ownership in the Program.

What you're doing is begging them to let you use their software. It's actually amazingly fucked up how the system works against the consumer.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
Valve Apologists in 3...2...1

But he can play the game he doesn't want to play anymore anywhere he wants to on as many computers as he wants to. Also, reinstalling the game he doesn't want to play anymore is really easy and it autopatches and stuff. He can also get invites from his friends list to play the game he doesn't want to play anymore.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well mainly the problem is why would they allow you to enjoy their work and then make money back by reselling it. its not in their interest at all. anyways to complain at this point is a bit silly, does anyone really feel ripped off by orange box? it was seriously good content and value.

Just because I personally feel the Orange Box is an awesome value and that I will keep it on my account indefinitely doesn't mean I want others who no longer find value with the games to be stuck with them. Resell is pretty much impossible with Steam and their TOS regarding not being able to resell your account ought to be an illegal business practice IMO.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: MStele
The idea of reselling games is actually kinda odd, considering your licensing the software directly from the developer. You don't own the software, only the media it comes on. If I give you permission to drive a car I own, does that mean you have to right to sell or lend out that car to people I don't know? I realize that selling games is legal, but its a problem because it completely cuts the developer out of a potential sale. One of the reasons console gamers pay $10 extra is to deal with losses due to piracy and to combat stores like Gamestop who consistantly screw developers by focusing on the used game market. Just do like many of us and realize that when you buy a game you should assume that you will never see that money again and that it is lost in the Abyss of the money pit known as gaming. If your so tapped that you need to sell games to make money then you should reevaluate whether you should be playing game in the first place. I'm not directing this at the OP by the way but to gamers in general.

OMG are you for real?!


The idea of reselling games is actually kinda odd, considering your licensing the software directly from the developer.

I purchased the game. I did not rent it. The law of the land recognizes this and EULAs are publisher FUD. Same goes for the NFL saying I can't record or talk about a football game on TV without their permission. Lots of FUD and no laws to back it up with.


If I give you permission to drive a car I own, does that mean you have to right to sell or lend out that car to people I don't know?

You can't sell it without the title and you don't have the authority to lend it out to someone else because it's not your property. Software licensing compared to cars would be like a lease, not a purchase. Basically, you can use it for a time in exchange for money, but you have to return it at some point. I do not rent games, I buy them. Is there such a thing as a one-time payment for an eternal lease? Software publishers seem to thing there is.


I realize that selling games is legal, but its a problem because it completely cuts the developer out of a potential sale.

The developer cut themselves out of a sale by pricing themselves out of the market. Also, used games sold to Gamestop, etc. are often used to subsidize new game purchases.


One of the reasons console gamers pay $10 extra is to deal with losses due to piracy and to combat stores like Gamestop who consistantly screw developers by focusing on the used game market.

Publishers pay that $10 to Nintendo, Sony, and MS for a license to have their game on their closed platform. The PC is an open platform and thus the $10 licensing fee is not included in the game's price. Someone needs to tell Infinity Ward this so MW2 can come down in price on the PC.


If your so tapped that you need to sell games to make money then you should reevaluate whether you should be playing game in the first place.

You should reevaluate the value of the dollar IMO. Also, throwing away games is a wasteful use of resources and collecting them on a shelf is a monumental waste of space. A true value oriented gamer maximizes the number of gaming experiences he/she can have with the least expenditure of cash. I am thankfully in a place in my life where my monetary resources exceed the amount of actual time I have for gaming; however, IMO it is sinful to just throw away money at any consumer good. I expect my goods to devalue, but I like to extract any remaining value once I'm through using said good.

 

[slayer202]

well you can see their point of view. you can go on ebay and find just about any ps3/360 game you want, used, and you can buy that game, play through it in a reasonable amount of time, and resell it for just as much as you paid. or you can buy something new, assuming it is a new release, play it, and sell it for a pretty solid amount of money, ending up paying about half the price of the game.

imagine you could do all that with the click of a few buttons, no shipping involved. not to mention the added piracy issues