trenchfoot
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it has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that bush and the ladies and gentlemen that rode his coattails into office and/or supported him in his plan to install puppet governments in afghanistan, iraq and iran were far too arrogant and far too full of themselves and far too dismissive of the lessons of history to successfully plan and execute the takeovers.
their overbearing, threatening and choking style of managing gov't resources (think rummy and bolton) led to a continuous string of controversies and upheavals. a general sense of discord, discontent and low morale within the gov't infrastructure prevailed because of it (think cia, armed services flag rank) .
they had the total resources of the mightiest nation in the world at their disposal. they had a nation motivated and primed to support their agenda. they had the support of the world community when 9/11 occurred, and incompetently squandered it all because they thought that they, and only they were the ones that knew exactly what had to be done and how it had to be done, all in rigid infinitesimal detail. their heedless and wreckless behavior doomed them from the get-go.
all of this is now known and can be used to improve the methods in which we go about attending to the nation's business.
If you consider the Federal Reserve and its owners, whomever they might be, a part of America then yes. Very positive things happend for these people to the tune of 300+ Billion $. Not to mention the massive war profeteering by the military industrial complex.
American companies are also happily making money, off the borrowed money from the Fed, by building pipelines for both oil and gas in Afghanistan.
The best part? Tax payers get to foot the bill by having every penny go directly into paying off the intrest alone.
In the meantime the the DoD has multi trillion dollar per year "Undocumentable Adjustments". Which means the money is missing or otherwise cannot be accounted for. Latest figure I heard was 2.2 trillion. At this point it's probably higher.
So yeah a lot of people are making money hand over fist. For them life is grand. These are the golden years!
American companies are also happily making money, off the borrowed money from the Fed, by building pipelines for both oil and gas in Afghanistan.
The best part? Tax payers get to foot the bill by having every penny go directly into paying off the intrest alone.
In the meantime the the DoD has multi trillion dollar per year "Undocumentable Adjustments". Which means the money is missing or otherwise cannot be accounted for. Latest figure I heard was 2.2 trillion. At this point it's probably higher.
So yeah a lot of people are making money hand over fist. For them life is grand. These are the golden years!
Originally posted by: Aimster
Our military is getting better training .....
And our latest weapons technology is now battle-tested.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Aimster
Our military is getting better training .....
And our latest weapons technology is now battle-tested.
That's right! Next top NYC!.. oh wait they already done that.
Red Dawn
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Ahkbar, Saddam didn't have any WMD's at the time of our invasion and hadn't had any since after the first Gulf War thanks to President Clinton and the UN. Sorry we supplied those he used against you during the Iraq/Iran war but it was a calculated risk another Republican President, Ronald Reagan, took with advice from Rummy, you know , the guy who screwed up this war?
Vic
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Jobs, of course. Our entire trillion dollar defense industry is one big New Deal-esque make-work project, based in large part on the broken window fallacy. I use the New Deal comparison because the US has been more or less stuck in the military-industrial complex economy ever since the New Deal converted into the WWII war production machine. The American people's demand to always have a roaring expanding economy mandates that we must always be at wartime production levels.
In case you can't notice, I'm strongly against war and the artificial wartime economy, but you asked the question, and so I answered it.
Jaskalas
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I would say it ensured Iraq was clean of chemical weapons. It is a small good thing, but it pales in comparison to us allowing nuclear proliferation across the world. Feels like spitting into the wind, this small motion is nothing against a greater tide.
There is much more to be done, and we lack the will to do it. So all we?re going to do now is sit back quietly and take the coming hits, apparently incapable of anything else.
Did nothing to prevent to real threats of nuclear development from accomplishing their goals- Iran/NK.
retrospooty
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- Apr 3, 2002
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lets see here...
The worls is safer from terrorismn, we have oil, Iraq is safer... Oh wait, thats not real, thats just the crapspin Bush has been feeding me...
The worls is safer from terrorismn, we have oil, Iraq is safer... Oh wait, thats not real, thats just the crapspin Bush has been feeding me...
Yes, and now we can fight a real serious WAR ON TERROR like we always wanted. That was the reason we went into Iraq, DUH! Hence, "Bring it on!" See, Bush was really telling Al Qaeda that they needed to step up their game so there'd be a real War on Terror to fight.
judasmachine
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Originally posted by: catnap1972
Yep...not to mention that it's likely at least a few of those dead US soldiers were originally on the welfare rolls, so we saved some more money there by getting rid of those leeches.
GJ Republicans! :beer:
But their widows will still be on it. Well after they blow the life insurance on an LCD TV.
judasmachine
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Ask not what the war on terror can do for you, but what you can do for the war on terror.
Bush jr. went in to Iraq to finish what his pops started. IMO, that's the main reason. The possibility of WMDs and the fact that Sadaam was a violent dictator made the choice even easier to make.
You ask for positives? Well, the possibility for freedom to the Iraqi people is definitely a positive. It's not right for people to have to live in fear while we Americans are too cowardly and selfish to help them. I do believe that U.S. troops should withdraw sometime, but not immediately and not all at once. People come from all over the Middle East just to take shots at Americans. That's just a bad situation. However, as many have already stated, immediate withdrawal would create a bloodbath. I would certainly be ashamed if we were to simply run away from Iraq like V. That would prove that we learned nothing.
/my 2 cents
It exposed to the world that the religious right is full of a bunch of wackos, I suppose they will never get back into power.
I know, not much of a silver lining, but I couldnt think of anything else remotely positive.
I know, not much of a silver lining, but I couldnt think of anything else remotely positive.
Why not invade a country that we knew had WMDs?
I wasn't aware that Iraq was unique in having a violent dictator.
Easy for you from the comfort of your couch.
A positive worth 300 billion dollars? Do you have any idea how much 300 billion dollars could have done if it was spent on homeland security?
Iraq is not the only country where civilians have to "live in fear".
The fact that we invaded Iraq already shows that we have learned nothing from Vietnam.
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