Can anyone explain the usenet to me?

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TubeTote

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I have a long time friend who uses the 'newsgroups' a lot. He finds some amazing music, games and movies there. He told me I should check it out.

I was intrigued and looked into it a little. Seems you need to pay for a sevice to get access to the groups? The other thing I noticed is that a lot of these services say things like "we don't track our clients" and "we don't report your IP"...what the hell are they talking about? This makes it sound as if the usenet is illegal. Is the usenet a safe thing to mess with?

This thread has entered the realm of promoting piracy & is thus locked. -Admin DrPizza
 
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ultimatebob

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Yes... what is this Usenet that you speak of?

I hope that you can't get copyrighted materials from it, because the RIAA and MPAA hate it when you do that ;)
 

grohl

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used it for a while before I realized the ease of torrents. then again, I am lazy.
 

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TubeTote: Edit the OP and walk away. Noobs have gotten hurt sticking their nose where it don't belong. Forget everything you have heard about Usenet and just walk away man.

:)
 

Kev

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i'm sure the mpaa and riaa have never heard of usenet because of that 1st rule.
 

Terzo

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Why all this shhh shhh?

From what I understand, usenet is often used as a more secure alternate to torrents and what not to download media. What baffles me is if you can afford a usenet subscription (seems to be at least $10/month) then why can't you save money and properly purchase items?

Mainly I'm just curious, do people who do the usenet thing acknowledge what they're doing and simply use usenet for the security, or do they have other reasons to justify it?
 

fleshconsumed

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From what I understand, usenet is often used as a more secure alternate to torrents and what not to download media. What baffles me is if you can afford a usenet subscription (seems to be at least $10/month) then why can't you save money and properly purchase items?

Usenet account ~$10 a month. A single newly released movie on BluRay ~$20. You can barely buy an audio CD for $10.
 

Terzo

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Why all this shhh shhh?

From what I understand, usenet is often used as a more secure alternate to torrents and what not to download media. What baffles me is if you can afford a usenet subscription (seems to be at least $10/month) then why can't you save money and properly purchase items?

Mainly I'm just curious, do people who do the usenet thing acknowledge what they're doing and simply use usenet for the security, or do they have other reasons to justify it?
Usenet account ~$10 a month. A single newly released movie on BluRay ~$20. You can barely buy an audio CD for $10.

Well yes, but if you subscribe to usenet you could instead save money for 2 months and buy your DVD. Someone who torrents could claim they don't have enough money to save up to properly purchase the project.
Really though, I try to buy used (when I do, which is rarely) since I don't want to directly support the RIAA/MPAA. Cheaper as well.

To elaborate a little, do usenet folks admit to themselves "I am pirating this material," or do they try to justify it some other way? Out of principal I don't condone piracy, but I feel no sympathy for organizations like the RIAA.

Part of the reason I'm asking is because I met up with some friends from highschool a month or so ago. We were talking about games and World of Goo had come up. I had bought it from the Direct2Drive (i think it was them) $5 sale, but both of them had pirated it. One played it through and said it was interesting but he wouldn't pay for it. It's not like he's in highschool or anything, he has a job and I'm pretty sure he gets paid more than me. And despite completing it he decided it wasn't worth paying for. Considering it was an indy game studio it felt "more wrong" than if it was something like RIAA.
Sorry to ramble, I should probably start a blog or something. I'm just thinking out loud on a forum...oh dear.
 

lxskllr

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There's also the old fashioned use of usenet, communication. I don't know how much is still around, but I was on a bagpipe board for a couple of years.
 

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http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1036.html
RFC1036 - Standard for interchange of USENET messages

Network Working Group M. Horton
Request for Comments: 1036 AT&T Bell Laboratories
Obsoletes: RFC-850 R. Adams
Center for Seismic Studies
December 1987

Standard for Interchange of USENET Messages

STATUS OF THIS MEMO

This document defines the standard format for the interchange of
network News messages among USENET hosts. It updates and replaces
RFC-850, reflecting version B2.11 of the News program. This memo is
disributed as an RFC to make this information easily accessible to
the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard.
Distribution of this memo is unlimited.

1. Introduction

This document defines the standard format for the interchange of
network News messages among USENET hosts. It describes the format
for messages themselves and gives partial standards for transmission
of news. The news transmission is not entirely in order to give a
good deal of flexibility to the hosts to choose transmission
hardware and software, to batch news, and so on.

There are five sections to this document. Section two defines the
format. Section three defines the valid control messages. Section
four specifies some valid transmission methods. Section five
describes the overall news propagation algorithm.

2. Message Format

The primary consideration in choosing a message format is that it
fit in with existing tools as well as possible. Existing tools
include implementations of both mail and news. (The notesfiles
system from the University of Illinois is considered a news
implementation.) A standard format for mail messages has existed
for many years on the Internet, and this format meets most of the
needs of USENET. Since the Internet format is extensible,
extensions to meet the additional needs of USENET are easily made
within the Internet standard. Therefore, the rule is adopted that
all USENET news messages must be formatted as valid Internet mail
messages, according to the Internet standard RFC-822. The USENET
News standard is more restrictive than the Internet standard,

placing additional requirements on each message and forbidding use
of certain Internet features. However, it should always be possible
to use a tool expecting an Internet message to process a news
message. In any situation where this standard conflicts with the
Internet standard, RFC-822 should be considered correct and this
standard in error.

Here is an example USENET message to illustrate the fields.

From: jerry@eagle.ATT.COM (Jerry Schwarz)
Path: cbosgd!mhuxj!mhuxt!eagle!jerry
Newsgroups: news.announce
Subject: Usenet Etiquette -- Please Read
Message-ID: <642@eagle.ATT.COM>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 82 16:14:55 GMT
Followup-To: news.misc
Expires: Sat, 1 Jan 83 00:00:00 -0500
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill

The body of the message comes here, after a blank line.

Here is an example of a message in the old format (before the
existence of this standard). It is recommended that
implementations also accept messages in this format to ease upward
conversion.

From: cbosgd!mhuxj!mhuxt!eagle!jerry (Jerry Schwarz)
Newsgroups: news.misc
Title: Usenet Etiquette -- Please Read
Article-I.D.: eagle.642
Posted: Fri Nov 19 16:14:55 1982
Received: Fri Nov 19 16:59:30 1982
Expires: Mon Jan 1 00:00:00 1990

The body of the message comes here, after a blank line.

Some news systems transmit news in the A format, which looks like
this:

Aeagle.642
news.misc
cbosgd!mhuxj!mhuxt!eagle!jerry
Fri Nov 19 16:14:55 1982
Usenet Etiquette - Please Read
The body of the message comes here, with no blank line.

A standard USENET message consists of several header lines, followed
by a blank line, followed by the body of the message. Each header

line consist of a keyword, a colon, a blank, and some additional
information. This is a subset of the Internet standard, simplified
to allow simpler software to handle it. The "From" line may
optionally include a full name, in the format above, or use the
Internet angle bracket syntax. To keep the implementations simple,
other formats (for example, with part of the machine address after
the close parenthesis) are not allowed. The Internet convention of
continuation header lines (beginning with a blank or tab) is
allowed.

Certain headers are required, and certain other headers are
optional. Any unrecognized headers are allowed, and will be passed
through unchanged. The required header lines are "From", "Date",
"Newsgroups", "Subject", "Message-ID", and "Path". The optional
header lines are "Followup-To", "Expires", "Reply-To", "Sender",
"References", "Control", "Distribution", "Keywords", "Summary",
"Approved", "Lines", "Xref", and "Organization". Each of these
header lines will be described below.


Read more: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1036.html#ixzz0dZrruOdS
 

Gooberlx2

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This makes it sound as if the usenet is illegal. Is the usenet a safe thing to mess with?

Usenet itself is perfectly legal. However it can also be used for illegal purposes; namely piracy. Pretty much guaranteed all that music, movies and games your friend has are pirated.
 
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