Can AMD rebound?

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Interesting, perhaps viditor can tell us abt CPU sales from AMD compared to Intel ? Or anyone else for that matter. Perhaps 90% of the people are buying Intel, I could be wrong too

For the past few years theres generally been an 80:20 split +-5% between Intel and AMD.

Of course these forums being enthusiast based will skew the numbers heavily towards Intel since they currently have the fastest performing CPUs, but AMD marketshare remains quite healthy despite trailing Intel in performance, their biggest worry at this point is not marketshare but rather low ASPs and margins.

 

[MarcVenice]

It has been 80:20 because AMD didn't/doesn't have the production capacity to supply the market with all the CPU's it needs, right ?

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
It has been 80:20 because AMD didn't/doesn't have the production capacity to supply the market with all the CPU's it needs, right ?

Yeah, I think they were capacity constrained in the past. You could also argue Intel used anticompetitive tactics to stifle AMD's growth which is what the current AMD vs Intel lawsuit is all about.

I don't think AMD is still capacity constrained today, I remember Hector talking about plans to gain 30% marketshare (which failed miserably, in no small part due to Core 2) so the capacity is probably there, but the demand isn't, and probably won't be there until they can compete on a level playing field with Intel, which might take a while...

 

[amenx]

Originally posted by: WTurner
Some of you guys are smoking crack.

AMD has had the fastest retail CPUs from about 2001 through 2006. You will recall it was only half way through 2006 when Core 2 Duo was launched that Intel had anything remotely capable of matching the FX-60.

Some of you have selective memory.

I am not a fanboy...

I think those keen on pressing the point they are not fanboys... usually are.

 

[Atif]

Tech Report's review on the 9750 and 9850s:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/14424

It's still not an outright victory, but things aren't as bleak as they once were either

Peace

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Wow, I think of the NF4 chipset as very good. I still have a 3800+ X2 running at 2.6GHz on a DFI SLI-DR Expert. It's one of the most stable setups I have tried.

No for PCM and NLE it was very troublesome board and nearly went for a swim. Outside of that it is awesome!

 

[v8envy]

I can't see how this chip would be interesting to enthusiasts -- 2.9 ghz ceiling, and only lightly tested for stability. Using the same criteria the Q6600 would appear to be a 3.6-3.8 ghz chip. Combine that with at least a 10% IPC deficiency and up to 25% performance/watt deficit and... $235 for 1000 unit volume isn't anywhere near interesting enough yet.

I'm wondering what kind of pricing the OEM customers are getting. It could explain the veritable flood of Phenom powered retail shelf boxes.

 

[tommo123]

the prices for AMD are great at the mo. the 2.5 Ghz black edition being cheaper than a Q6600 surprised me tbh.

i have a dual core at the mo (intel), and i dont plan a real upgrade till 8 cores are available. i know they wont be 775, but here's hoping i can still use DDR2 (pricing for 8GB is sweet!) meaning i will probably go with AMD (assuming they delay swapping over and are a little behind - just like with DDR > DDR2)

anyone know what the ETA is for octo core from both companies? sorry for the off topic.

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

Wow, I think of the NF4 chipset as very good. I still have a 3800+ X2 running at 2.6GHz on a DFI SLI-DR Expert. It's one of the most stable setups I have tried.

No for PCM and NLE it was very troublesome board and nearly went for a swim. Outside of that it is awesome!

You talking about some type of professional audio and video editing problems?

 

[venusiansky]

To me, AMD dominated when they introduced a lower cost, higher performance CPU with the K6-2. They didn't dominate the market of course, but it was the beginnings of a real competitor. Who knows if it will happen again and AMD rebounds. It may happen again, but then the company may not be AMD. AMD may have had their one and only chance. It takes a well run organization, good employees and a little luck to put together a great product.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: tommo123
the prices for AMD are great at the mo. the 2.5 Ghz black edition being cheaper than a Q6600 surprised me tbh.

i have a dual core at the mo (intel), and i dont plan a real upgrade till 8 cores are available. i know they wont be 775, but here's hoping i can still use DDR2 (pricing for 8GB is sweet!) meaning i will probably go with AMD (assuming they delay swapping over and are a little behind - just like with DDR > DDR2)

anyone know what the ETA is for octo core from both companies? sorry for the off topic.

With an IMC you can't just pop in wahtever memory type you please, it's hard to say what Intel will do with Nehalem, for LGA1160 in Q1 2009, by that time, DDR3 should be more reasonable in pricing. The speed of DDR3 is there, it's just the pricing that kills it right now.

The Black Edition is just premepting the April Q6600 price cut to 224. AMD is pricing their products well based on price/performance.

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
The phenoms are being priced pretty competetively right now. 45nm phenoms should run at higher speeds and use less power. AT is pretty much an enthusiast forum, the fact that 90% of the people here buys Intel doesn't mean that's what happens on a global scale. Performance wise AMD isn't doing to bad. Depending on how much they lose on these phenoms ( besides other products ), or how much profit they make, because they do have to sell them pretty cheap, AMD will survive for a little while longer, or not ?

Lets not forget, that everyone here was buying AMD when they had the crown. I actually refused to post here because of the constant Intel bashing and I had an AMD system at the time.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: bfdd

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
The phenoms are being priced pretty competetively right now. 45nm phenoms should run at higher speeds and use less power. AT is pretty much an enthusiast forum, the fact that 90% of the people here buys Intel doesn't mean that's what happens on a global scale. Performance wise AMD isn't doing to bad. Depending on how much they lose on these phenoms ( besides other products ), or how much profit they make, because they do have to sell them pretty cheap, AMD will survive for a little while longer, or not ?

Lets not forget, that everyone here was buying AMD when they had the crown. I actually refused to post here because of the constant Intel bashing and I had an AMD system at the time.

Was it undeserved bashing? Are you not pleased that Intel got the hint and got off their ass and factored in power consumption to their Core architecture design?

I'm hoping the AMD bashing gets a message to folks too. It's not all for naught, eventually the squeaky wheel gets some grease.

 

[Extelleron]

Just noticed that AMD Phenom CPUs have lowered in price @ Newegg.

Phenom 9500 is down to $169 while 9600 is $179. 9600 BE is $219.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan

You talking about some type of professional audio and video editing problems?

Yes. Glitches and lockups under high bus loads.

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Was it undeserved bashing? Are you not pleased that Intel got the hint and got off their ass and factored in power consumption to their Core architecture design?

I'm hoping the AMD bashing gets a message to folks too. It's not all for naught, eventually the squeaky wheel gets some grease.

Yes netbust was that bad.

 

[bryanW1995]

I'm hoping the AMD bashing gets a message to folks too. It's not all for naught, eventually the squeaky wheel gets some grease.

I thought the phrase was, "Squeaky wheel gets the KICK!"

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

I'm hoping the AMD bashing gets a message to folks too. It's not all for naught, eventually the squeaky wheel gets some grease.

I thought the phrase was, "Squeaky wheel gets the KICK!"

That's the phrase for a repeat-offender squeaky wheel if the grease doesn't do the trick first go-around!

Anyone else notice lately how quiet Hector has been?

 

[bryanW1995]

hopefully dirk gets the long-awaited promotion soon. maybe hector has been muzzled in anticipation of his departure