Can all Nvidia owners do me a favor please.

[rbV5]

I tried using all sorts of varying AVI codecs, but none worked. Then i tried the WMV format, and that worked out perfectly. Which essentially means that its just happening to AVI file formats.

Thats not what it means. AVI is simply a container, while WMV normally uses ASF container, it can certainly use AVI container as well. ASF can support uncompressed data, just like AVI. WMV describes a number of lossy video formats, the key being lossy, not lossless.

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: TheCanuck
There...are...four...lights!

LOL!!!:laugh:

 

[xMax]

Oh man...rbV5 your confusing me.

Let me put it this way.

Is there any way that i can convert my AVI clips to the uncompressed and presumably lossless ASF file format?

And if thats not possible, then is there any way that i can render directly to this ASF lossless format?

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: xMax
Oh man...rbV5 your confusing me.

Let me put it this way.

Is there any way that i can convert my AVI clips to the uncompressed and presumably lossless ASF file format?

And if thats not possible, then is there any way that i can render directly to this ASF lossless format?

Read through this first Wiki linki

 

[fliguy84]

OP: Yes, I can a rectangle box on the top left of my screen on my 6800nu with Media Player 10. I can't see it using Nero Showtime Player. And using VLC, all I can see is a white or black screen. What this has to do with nvidia's video quality anyway? I think it's the player that matters. And boy, my eyes hurt after seeing all those flashing

 

[xMax]

OK. I get it. ASF is a container, just like AVI is a container, as it typically contains a WMA and or WMV file. As for what an file format an AVI contains, i have no idea!

But as it seems, this ASF format is more specialized or designed for streaming video, which will never be uncompressed and lossless, as trying to somehow make an ASF lossless file seems unnatural and perhaps even impossible.

I mean, if it is possible to put an uncompressed lossless video file in this ASF container, then i will do that right away. But i haven't a god damn clue as to how to do that, assuming its possible.

If this is not possible, then i have to go back to the AVI format and try to make that work.

But i must take off right now, only for 20 minutes, to conduct a quick experiment at a computer store.

Will be righ back...

 

[xMax]

fliguy84...Im not saying anything about Nvidia yet. All im trying to do is figure out wether this is an Nvidia hardware issue, an Nvidia driver issue, or a Windows Media Player issue.

But if you said that you do see the rectangle with media player, but not with nero showtime, then perhaps it is a media player issue. However, the real question is wether what your seeing with nero showtime is lossless and not lossy in some way, as this would unfortunately be impossible to notice on a pure black or pure white image.

But i have to go...I will be back in 20 minutes.

 

[potato28]

Perfectly fine for me on a 6600GT SLI... and I ran it for 20 cycles...

 

[rbV5]

I mean, if it is possible to put an uncompressed lossless video file in this ASF container

Now, you understand that a file can be lossless and compressed, that uncompressed and lossless are describing different things...right? For codecs, there are Lossy, and Lossless codecs.

Read this Wiki Linki

 

[Jeff7181]

I see nothing because I had a seizure. Seriously though, don't see what you're talking about.

I have a 7800GT using the latest official driver release and an EVGA nForce4 motherboard.

 

[xMax]

I know that a file can be
- lossless and uncompressed
- lossless and compressed (like RLE)
- lossy and compressed (MPEG)
- but what about lossy and uncompressed.

Can a file be uncompressed and lossy. Because you would think that a file in an uncompressed form would be without any data loss, and therefore automatically lossless.

But anyhow, im not the only one who has the problem, as a few people have already confirmed this anomaly that has something to do with Nvidia cards and windows media player, and perhaps all players since i havent yet been able to get it to work with anything else. If that is so, then its a directx issue with Nvidia with AVI file formats but only on some Nvidia cards.

The bottom line is that the only common denominator is the Nvidia card, and now i need to work around this issue by either finding a fix or going to the ASF format.

Which leads us back to the main question: Can i somehow make an ASF animation or video that is absolutely lossless!

And for those who think the problem is not present, i can only tell you that there are a few people who have already confirmed it. My point: Im not disillusioned. But again, it might be on some Nvidia cards or some source that im trying to find.

 

[rbV5]

But anyhow, im not the only one who has the problem, as a few people have already confirmed this anomaly that has something to do with Nvidia cards and windows media player, and perhaps all players since i havent yet been able to get it to work with anything else. If that is so, then its a directx issue with Nvidia with AVI file formats but only on some Nvidia cards

Again, I don't believe the issue you continue to have is with graphic hardware playing back a media file, rather a conceptual issue you have by forcing graphic hardware to playback a file that is not meant for real-time playback.

Lossless codecs RLE, lz77, deflate are more akin to archiving compression like winzip, not for playing back in real time.

Lossless video codecs I've used like Huffyuv and even DV, are used for real-time capturing to save storage because they are fast. Those captured files are then used in video editors and then encoded to a final format for playback, authoring ect, not ever for real-time playback.

 

[xMax]

rbV5, the problem is not just with RLE, but with all AVI files. I've tried varying codecs, like microsoft video 1, MPEG, Huffyyuv, MSU, and uncompressed, as all produced the same anomaly. So the problem is occuring on all AVI encoded files.

Man...If you knew what i've been through with finding the right video card to play out these god damn AVI files of mine, you would probably either laugh at me or feel sorry for me. I think im on my 8th video card right now. It all started with the ATI card which produced speckles on my Eizo CG210 LCD display, where i eventually found the technical note on the Eizo site clearly stipulating this incompatibility between ALL ATI cards and many of the their monitors when connected via DVI, as my monitor was one of those monitors.

I then tried the 7800GTX from BFG, but that produced all sorts of ridiculous artifacts on my display when i booted up my computer.

After that i tried the 6600GT, but then that top right hand corner rectangular anomaly showed up.

I then even tried the Matrox APVe, but that card was not directX 9 compliant and had all sorts of problems, particularly that diagonal stair case tearing effect.

There were a few other ATI cards that i tried before getting to the X1800Xt and then discovering this issue with ATI cards and my monitor.

All in all, im now on my 8th card, the eVGA 7900GTX EGS, and i dont want to get another one since im practically broke, both financially and mentally.

Every other component that makes up my entire system has been flawless, except the god damn video card.

The strange irony of all this ties into a strange story during my childhood where i was biking with some friends as we noticed a huge gush of smoke very very far away. So we decided to follow the smoke, since we had nothing else to do, and about 10 miles later we got to this building that was burning down to a crisp. There was a bunch of by standers watching the building go up in flames as the firefighters were helplessly trying to put it out. It was quite the show with massive explosions that let out a gust of heat that was felt by everybody. Anyhow, my point is that after this company burned down to a crisp, a new company built a building on that same property, a company called Matrox, which is a video card company.

What does it mean...Nothing really! Just a strange coincedence that nearly 15 years later i would be having this bizzare struggle with a video card.

But enough with that talk. The bottom line is that i dont know what to do. But i do have to ask this: Are you saying windows media player is not a realtime media player?

Because i just cant see how this would be so. And if its not, then what media player is designed for realtime?

Personally, i really like windows media player. its so fast, bug free, stable, and simple. And it is the standard media player, which is why im trying everything i can to get it to work. But my 7900GTX just wont give.

 

[Jeff7181]

I have to wonder if it's really an nVidia issue like you claim since there are those of us with nVidia cards who see no such issues.

 

[rbV5]

Are you saying windows media player is not a realtime media player?

No, what I'm saying is there are codecs that are suited for editing, archiving and playback. There is hardware made for editing, archiving and playback. Making a piece of hardware work outside its intended use will give unpredictable results.

I think thats what you are seeing. I think you conceptually have an idea of what you want to do, but don't know how to make it work in practice.

I don't think you've asked the right questions to get the right answers, and are for some reason unwilling to identify exactly what it is you want to actually do. I suspect you have a good reason to be somewhat secretive, like someone will steal your idea or whatnot, but it is probably costing you big based o the amount of hardware you've been through in a short period of time.

I'd like to actually help you.

 

[Childs]

Using a 6800Ultra and VLC on a Mac I see no box on the 1920x1200 video. Dont have access to a PC atm. Try using ZoomPlayer or Media Player Classic, and if you see the box play with the filter properties. Maybe another codec is getting in the way.

 

[xMax]

I am trying to be secretive about my work. I can only tell you that its not normal. It's kind of like being handed an assignement and you must complete and present that assignment without a single flaw of any form what so ever. This is why im bickering over a rectangle on the top right hand corner of my screen. Because for any normal work, a person would simply let such an anomaly go and move on with their life. But i cant do that.

So thats the way it is. But the question is "what now"? Where do i go from here?

I just have to stick with AVI since no one seems to know anything about this ASF format, as it is clearly for streaming, which is not what im doing.

And you keep telling me that i don't have the right hardware for the right job. How in gods name could that make sense. With ATI being incompatible, then that leaves me with nothing but Nvidia. If Nvidia, then what do i take, an NVS? a quadro? or a geforce? The NVS is designed for multidisplay solutions and is not specialized for media playback. The quadro is designed for CAD and simulations and all that stuff, with the directX support not being its specialty, as directx is clearly the focus for media playback. So the only thing i can go with is a geforce.

And so, if i take a geforce, then my deductions said the following: "You could try to take the cheapest one to do the job, or you can cut to the chase and take the highest performer". It is a costly way of going about work, but it makes sense. In fact, there is no substitute. Thats the logic that i have to go buy. Its like, if you can afford it, then cut the crap and ge the best right away. This will save you time and trouble and will assure the required performance and compatibility.

And so far, this system has worked perfectly, except for this fvcking video card thing that im experiencing.

Anyhow, i think the truth is that nobody is going to be able to fix this AVI windows media player and Nvidia issue. WHY? Because there is something that is not right, and i dont think there is a fix!

And i have the right computer for what im doing.

 

[Childs]

Do you see it in VLC? Zoomplayer? If you see it in ZoomPlayer, check the filter properties, and make sure you're using the right codec.

 

[xMax]

OK. What im going to do is try it out in every windows media player i can think of.

I will try it in
- zoom player
- again in realplayer
- quicktime
- nero showtime

and any other suggestions. If the problem persists, then its not a player problem, but an Nvidia hardware or software problem in conjunction with directx or directshow or whatever direct thing is responsible for media playback.

I cant say anymore at this moment in time. And it makes no sense to waist anybodies time.

I will conduct those tests tomorrow, at the computer store.

But i will say this, the computer store had an S3 card that didn't have the problem.

 

[Childs]

Add VLC to to list.

 

[xMax]

I've already tried it, but it just doesn't display anything. The guy at the computer store said its inability to display the AVIs properly is because it uses its own codecs.

But i will give it another attempt just to make sure.

 

[xMax]

[update]

I will try it in
- zoom player
- again in realplayer
- quicktime
- nero showtime
- VLC

 

[themusgrat]

My 7800GTX does not show anything wierd, so you know.

 

[xMax]

Thanks. That is good to know. And i think, as i can recall, i had no problems with playback with the 7800GTX. I only returned it because it would produce all sorts of harsh looking surges on my LCD when i would boot up.

 

[xMax]

Tried them all:
- realmedia has tearing (acts like no hardware acceleration is on)
- quicktime has tearing (same as above)
- vlc also has tearing ( same as above for my ATI card and no functionality at all with Nvidia card)
- Windows Media Player 6.4 - (same as WMP 10)
- zoomplayer - the most amazing player i've ever seen - (but same as WMP verions 6.4 and 10)

The problem on the 7300GT that i used at the local computer store was constantly there, and never went away with every media player i tried.

The problem on the 7900GTX that im using now, since i just got back my computer today, would only occur intermittently, perhaps as low as once every ten or more cycles.

The problem happens on digital and analog LCDs, analog CRTs, AMD systems, and Intel systems.

I did a clean install of XP Pro SP2, updated motherboard and Nvidia drivers, and didn't install any other software just to make sure nothing would potentially conflict with the playback.

I checked out the Nvidia control panel, but nothing there.

So what does this mean?

Well, the problem is entirely related to Nvidia cards, where i don't believe its actually fixable with any kind of hardware acceleration setting or media player. This means its either a driver problem or a hardware problem that really has no solution on the users part. And im absolutely certain about this, given that i tried every combination of hardware acceleration in zoom player and WMP 6.4, as those programs have just about every combination imaginable.

Not much more i can say except that THERE IS NO SOLUTION BUT ACCEPTANCE!