can a net provider block ICS ??

[daveqb]

i have just got ADSL put on, & i cant share the net connection like i did with my 56k connection.

the old 56k connection & my new ADSL connection are thru different providers.

the ADSL provider (Telstra Australia) are known for being real tight with their money & try to drain you of every cent they can.

is it in anyway possible they can have blocked me being able to share my connection at home??
i wouldnt have thought so, but can they ??

i can get the share connection to display & able to control it thru the second computer. just cant display web pages, or ping a web page; it always times out!!!

what if i make the second computers IP address the same as the IP of the first computer on the broadband connection??
that way the provider wont know where the request is coming from in case they have some software set up to prevent this (ICS)


any help would be greatly apreciated!!

thanx

PSi have just now tried to conect to ADSL thru the second computer directly & have the other way connect thru this one; in other words swap their roles over.
& still i cant get online with the computer that HAD the SDAL & is now the one wanting to share.

 

[ttn1]

Others probably know alot more than I do, but the short answer is yes. The long answer is why would they waste their time. Currently, AFAIK it would be pretty messy for them to block ICS. Usually ISPs will make it against their rules of use, but not actually block forwarded packets.

My guess would be that something got screwed up with ICS when you switched providers. Changing the IP address to be the same as the sharing computer will probably do more harm than good.

I use linux for routing, so hopefully someone with a little more ICS experience can get you going again.

 

[daveqb]

ok this looks like it might be helpful




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Windows IP Configuration



Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : xpbeast

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No



Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-AD-01-E8-D9

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, 24 April 2002 6:50:06 PM

Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, 23 June 2002 6:50:06 PM



Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 3:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : SMC EZ Card 10/100 PCI (SMC1211TX)

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-04-E2-11-81-4B

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :



PPP adapter ADSL:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 144.137.111.201

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 144.137.111.201

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 61.9.192.14

61.9.192.15

NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled




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also i found the manual online for the ADSL modem. it says to punch in the ip 10.0.0.138 into your browser to bring up all the options you have & can change, done that & it did. but looks a little complicated for me. maybe it can be useful to change a setting i need to get this thing going. i see a few settings i thought might need changing , but wasnt sure & didnt want to make a mess.

heres the manual if anyone can please have a look for me manual

i ran tracert from the client & host & appeared to get the same reponse. that seemed strange, but promising to me.

also , not sure if i said this already, but the client, when accessign a web site, does find the site & even gets the "openning......" but then just times out there after awhile.




thanx everyong who responds !

much apppreciated

 

[JackMDS]

oops

 

[daveqb]

ok , sorry
heres more info for you.

i have XP Pro on both, i have used the ICS wizard & tried manully setting up IP's, gateway address's etc. The LAN does work fine, has before & continues to; ie i can ping each computer back & forth no probs.
i do have the client on DHCP, but like isaid i have also manully configured it too (willing to try anything about now)

using Xover cable between the client and host, two NIC's in the Host computer (and i have tried using a combination of different NIC's)

i did a tracert & the client was able to get the same responses as the host. Also, when i try to access a website from the client, it seems to find it alright, by saying "web site found...." then openning page, but no page arrives, the little green bar just keeps on filling up (slowly!) but no pics or anything.

tried using ip address's rather then URL's. the DNS appears to be a ok. especially when the fact remains that the host can surf the web no worries, its just the client cant. i even tried to put the ADSL modem and all on the client , so their roles where switched. worked fine for the (new) host.
so i managed to re-create the same situation.

the set up , sets up ok, theres an icon in Network Connections of the connection on the host, plus the additional LAN connections, giving two LAN connections.
the Gateway is specified.

also i should mention it is not a permanent connection, its one of these PPPOE connections, have to connect each time i turn the computer on



i hope this helps some.

i am desperate......

 

[JackMDS]

The combination of DSL, PPPOE, and ICS is problematic a lot of people have problem with it.

The common solution it he get a PPPOE capable Cable/DSL Router.

Cable/DSL Router is also a good cure for Paranoia. It is providing a decent insulation from the Internet, and your ISP.

Don't know prices in Aus. here in the US you can find a Router for less the $50.

If you must stay with Software NAT.

ICS Troubleshooting.

Windows XP Define Internet Connection.

 

[daveqb]

yeah, really???

what does the router do thats not being done so far ?? distribute the packets??

would a hub do the trick? (excuse my networking ignorance)

well looked up the site of the local dealler, who is dirty cheap & the cheapest cable/DSL router is $280

he must have what i am after, at the about the price u mentioned

thanx for the tip, i might see if a mate has a router i can try first to see if its the problem.

 

[wnied]

I have an ADSL modem that connects through my USB port. I use an extra 10/100 network card in my primary computer to connect my 2nd computer to it and WinME ICS wizard. As long as you have a second network card(depending on how your Modem connects to your primary computer) use your secondary Network card as your ICS connection. Setup your secondary computer to accept an IP automatically. Then when you connect your two computers(and this is IMPORTANTE) Use a Crossover Cable...not a Patch cable.

Computer to Computer = crossover
Computer to Hub or Hub to Computer = patch
Hub to Hub = crossover

Youd do well to remember that.

Hope this helps ya!
wnied

 

[JackMDS]

The culprit is usually the PPPOE in such a setting.

The Router provides an independent PPPOE device, and hardware Firewall.

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