Can a m203 grenade launcher or RPG take out the track of an M1A2 tank?
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I don't think a 40 mm grenade could take off a tank track. An RPG might be able to, though. Both ARE Anti-Personel weapons, you know.
BTW, anyone shooting at M1s would be much more likely to have a soviet-era RPG than a 40 mm grenade launcher.
BTW, anyone shooting at M1s would be much more likely to have a soviet-era RPG than a 40 mm grenade launcher.
He's talking about stopping a tank by blowing off a track, ala Saving Private Ryan, not killing the occupants, which neither weapon would do, unless you had a LOT of them or got one inside.
yea, the issue was can one of these weapons immobilize a tank....
no fvckin way you could take out an M1 with either weapon... I read that a few M1's took direct hits from some T72/82's and kep going cause it just melted the outer armor... everyone inside was fine
no fvckin way you could take out an M1 with either weapon... I read that a few M1's took direct hits from some T72/82's and kep going cause it just melted the outer armor... everyone inside was fine
Heh heh...
The book Tank Killing by Ian Hogg, one of the most knowledgable experts in military ordnance, is a pretty good book on disabling anything armored. A M203 might be able to take out a track. The book also described some very desperate tactics. German infantry in WWII would tie up three "potato masher" grenades and lodge it between the turret and hull then pull the pin on one grenade. At the least it might jam the turret and make it less lethal. If they were lucky, the pressure would unseat the the turret from the turret ring and pressure from the explosion might disable the crew inside. On the British side, the militia were told to get a railroad tie and run up to a tank and wedge it into tracks to immobilize it. Next one person would throw a blanket soaked in gasoline over the the tank, light it on fire, and run. It was hoped that the smoke generated would get sucked into the tank causing the crew to open the hatch. Then someone would either gun down the crew or drop a explosive inside.
Windogg
The book Tank Killing by Ian Hogg, one of the most knowledgable experts in military ordnance, is a pretty good book on disabling anything armored. A M203 might be able to take out a track. The book also described some very desperate tactics. German infantry in WWII would tie up three "potato masher" grenades and lodge it between the turret and hull then pull the pin on one grenade. At the least it might jam the turret and make it less lethal. If they were lucky, the pressure would unseat the the turret from the turret ring and pressure from the explosion might disable the crew inside. On the British side, the militia were told to get a railroad tie and run up to a tank and wedge it into tracks to immobilize it. Next one person would throw a blanket soaked in gasoline over the the tank, light it on fire, and run. It was hoped that the smoke generated would get sucked into the tank causing the crew to open the hatch. Then someone would either gun down the crew or drop a explosive inside.
Windogg
Let me get this straight. You fire on a tank with a short range hand held RPG, etc, and even if you damage a track, what is going to happen? They spin the turret around and send you to the promised round with the 105MM? 
Originally posted by: Jmman
Let me get this straight. You fire on a tank with a short range hand held RPG, etc, and even if you damage a track, what is going to happen? They spin the turret around and send you to the promised round with the 105MM?
Only the original M1 has a 105mm and perhaps the IPM1 (not sure on this one). Both are out of service. From the M1A1, M1A1 HA, and M1A2 all have the 120mm Rheinmetel smoothbore which does now have any HE capabilility.
Windogg
Definitely not an M203, like was said before, they are antipersonel rounds, white phosphorous, or smoke. An RPG maybe, but you'd have to be a good shot because most of the track is covered by armor, which I believe is chobham armor which would easily deflect an RPG. You'd have to be very close or be a very good aim because so little track is actually exposed. You probably would be alive very long after you did it though, that's taking into account you got close enough to actually be able to take the shot.
I was never in the cav, my experience is in Field Artillery.
Pic here to see how much of the tracks are covered by armor
maybe you can take the tank out if you shoot it in the back like in Battlefield 1942, before the grenade patch i was always getting blown up by grenades....but now i get one shotted by rocket launchers.
Originally posted by: Jmman
Let me get this straight. You fire on a tank with a short range hand held RPG, etc, and even if you damage a track, what is going to happen? They spin the turret around and send you to the promised round with the 105MM?
That is the point. Once the tank in immobilized, few scouts and assault infantry men rush the tank, drop a few nades between the holes on the tank and move on. Mostly tank crews are fearless, but if you immobilize them, they are shocked and unable to react to the rush by infantryman. My friend in the army told me during a testing of the m203 grenade launcher, he had a DIRECT hit INSIDE the tank which would have killed the crew instantly. I say it was a lucky shot.. he said it was practice and eye-target coordination.
But I'm not in the army... and I prefer pistols. Colt 1911... mainly
How about the original WWII Bazooka? Probably easy to reproduce, AP capable (maybe not todays armour but maybe the tracks)?
Cheers,
Aquaman
Cheers,
Aquaman
There are no "holes" in a M1A2 tank. It has a NBC protection system (nuclear/chemical/biological) with an internal air supply completely sealing it from the outside world.
6 M1A1 tanks were immobilized in the Gulf War, the crews fought on and killed more than a dozen attacking vehicles while unable to move themselves. Not a single US soldier died in those 6 tanks.
Hopper
No, the modern day RPG is far more lethal than the old Bazooka.
Still, it wouldn't do much to the tracks on a M1A2 tank.
Hopper
Not to mention overpressure inside the cab, I think it's about 5 or 6 psi to keep any airborne particles out of leaky hatches.
for one thing you probably wouldn't get close enough to be able to take it out before you were wormfood.
m1a2's are some badass mofos.
i have a really good friend who is a tank commander in one, so i shot him a message asking his opinion.
he said that with an armor piercing round fired from an rpg at close range, you might get really really lucky and maybe, i say maybe
take a track out. but in his opinion, you would never live long enough to know even if you did...
m1a2's are some badass mofos.
i have a really good friend who is a tank commander in one, so i shot him a message asking his opinion.
he said that with an armor piercing round fired from an rpg at close range, you might get really really lucky and maybe, i say maybe
take a track out. but in his opinion, you would never live long enough to know even if you did...
the lt. commander says what is an m1a2 doing in "urban" warfare?
if he was dumb enought to drive through town, then the best way to take out a tread is to lay a good amount of c4 in the tracks path and detonate when squarely over it...
if he was dumb enought to drive through town, then the best way to take out a tread is to lay a good amount of c4 in the tracks path and detonate when squarely over it...
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sorta off topic but has anyone seen those army test videos that showcase the tank's composite armor? (it isn't metal - some wierd alloy) - showed the tank taking a direct hit from an RPG, then an 80mm gun and finally a flame thrower (all on the turret) and no damage.....
I saw this on the history channel it got leaked from the Pentagon during the Gulf War
I saw this on the history channel it got leaked from the Pentagon during the Gulf War
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