Can a Duron go without a fan?

[PowerMacG5]

I currently have a 1.3 GHz Duron set up in my server, and the HSF just started making this horrific squeel. Can the processor go without the fan, and just the heatsink, or will it overheat?

 

[mechBgon]

Better put a new fan on it. A 1.3GHz Duron generates 55W typical. If you need a ball-bearing 60mm x 10mm fan for it, here's a sweet unit that you just don't see a lot of: Taisol 760-series with ball-bearing fan, copper base, 3-lug clip, $10

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Better put a new fan on it. A 1.3GHz Duron generates 55W typical. If you need a ball-bearing 60mm x 10mm fan for it, here's a sweet unit that you just don't see a lot of: Taisol 760-series with ball-bearing fan, copper base, 3-lug clip, $10

I think I shall order that. Have you used it? If so, how does it rate in terms of silence and performance? Also, is kdcomputers a reputable site?

 

[Corporate Thug]

no, my bro burned one in 20 seconds

 

[mechBgon]

I haven't ordered from them recently but their Reseller Rating is running 9.50 lifetime, perfect 10.0 over the last six months, so I'd feel confident in ordering from them. In fact, I just spotted that luscious Alpha PAL8150T for Athlon64's... tempting... :Q ...and I don't even have an A64 yet!

The fan on this is typical of lots of last year's AMD stock heatsinks... not exceptionally quiet. The heatsink has a reputation as a fairly good cooler, although I've never tried one myself.

 

[PowerMacG5]

mechBgon, do you know of any retail stores that carry that heatsink/fan or a comparable one? I need this server because it is my Active Directory Server, but the noise is just unbearable; and I don't think I can wait a few days. Also, the price for anything other than ground goes above the price of the HSF (well, thats expected).

Put it this way, if I was forced to choose from this list, which would you?

 

[mechBgon]

Let's see... you live in/near Oceanside, New York. Here's one that's supposed to be available in the Garden City or Queens CompUSA stores, but I don't know if it's noisy or not: Link.

Alternately, you might be able to smack an 80mm fan on there in place of the 60mm if you rotate it diamond-wise. Use some ingenuity to figure out how to keep it in place Good luck!

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Let's see... you live in/near Oceanside, New York. Here's one that's supposed to be available in the Garden City or Queens CompUSA stores, but I don't know if it's noisy or not: Link.

Alternately, you might be able to smack an 80mm fan on there in place of the 60mm if you rotate it diamond-wise. Use some ingenuity to figure out how to keep it in place Good luck!

I was looking at that, but I can't find any reviews on epinions. What about from that list I gave you from microcenter? I loathe shopping there, but if I must, then I will.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: KraziKid
Put it this way, if I was forced to choose from this list, which would you?

This one here doesn't look too outrageous, if the 30dB noise rating is accurate.

One other thing: you might be able to soothe your ailing Duron fan with a drop of oil to tide you over. Peel the label off the underside of the motor and oil the bearing with a drop of automatic transmission fluid, if you want to try that.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: KraziKid
Put it this way, if I was forced to choose from this list, which would you?

This one here doesn't look too outrageous, if the 30dB noise rating is accurate.

One other thing: you might be able to soothe your ailing Duron fan with a drop of oil to tide you over. Peel the label off the underside of the motor and oil the bearing with a drop of automatic transmission fluid, if you want to try that.

That's not the problem. Somehow one of the fins failed, and bent so it was scraping. I removed that fin, and the fin across from it to balance, but it is still making a noise presumably from some plastic that has been scraped up.

 

[mechBgon]

Dang it KraziKid, you've been shooting the server with your .22 rifle again, haven't you!

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Dang it KraziKid, you've been shooting the server with your .22 rifle again, haven't you!

Nah, I was using a 40 cal .

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: KraziKid

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Dang it KraziKid, you've been shooting the server with your .22 rifle again, haven't you!

Nah, I was using a 40 cal .

Well no wonder the fins are breaking then.

Hey, do you mind sharing what the specs are on your AD server (mobo, etc)? I keep hoping we can FINALLY upgrade from WinNT 4.0 Server someday

and I've tried a WinServer2003 trial version on an Asus nForce1 board and an old VIA-based Celeron system for testing. I'd be curious to hear how your Duron system's been doing, other than the fan problem

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: KraziKid

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Dang it KraziKid, you've been shooting the server with your .22 rifle again, haven't you!

Nah, I was using a 40 cal .

Well no wonder the fins are breaking then.

Hey, do you mind sharing what the specs are on your AD server (mobo, etc)? I keep hoping we can FINALLY upgrade from WinNT 4.0 Server someday

and I've tried a WinServer2003 trial version on an Asus nForce1 board and an old VIA-based Celeron system for testing. I'd be curious to hear how your Duron system's been doing, other than the fan problem

Take a look in at the rigs in my sig (Windows Server 2003 Box). That box runs Server 2003 as a champ. I run it as an AD server, DNS, DHCP, IIS, File server, WINS Server, Remote Access/VPN Server (I use it as a router), and SQL Server. It is able to do all this pretty well. I have SQL Server on there for mrtg. This is my own personal server in my house, that I use for development, but I use the AD for authentication (It's so nice). The only thing that takes a while is bootup, when it is preparing the network for AD and loading the AD database. I don't mind this because I only reboot when updates come out (at one point had around 150 days of uptime). I am running the Enterprise version of 2003 server. I have had no problems other than this fan problem. The nice thing about my MSDN subscription is that I can use all of these product for development reasons. Because i was able to do this, I had my father purchase Windows Server 2003 for his office server, which does similar tasks as the one I have in the house (minus mrtg and SQL Server). But my personal server is able to run all of this pretty well, and without problems.

 

[DOSfan]

If I may jump in here...

I would like to point out KraziKid, that according to that list you linked to, all of the selections are either Limited Availability - or Shipped in 1 to 3 buisness days.

If you are going to wait 1 - 3 buisness days anyway, do your self a favor and order online. You can find superior equipment for similar (if not better) price.

And if you are unsure of a website, check here.

 

[mechBgon]

Cool! Thanks very much

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: DOSfan
If I may jump in here...

I would like to point out KraziKid, that according to that list you linked to, all of the selections are either Limited Availability - or Shipped in 1 to 3 buisness days.

If you are going to wait 1 - 3 buisness days anyway, do your self a favor and order online. You can find superior equipment for similar (if not better) price.

And if you are unsure of a website, check here.

Well, I am going out near microcenter anyway, so if they don't have it, it isn't a big deal; and the compusa is about 5 minutes from microcenter. The thing is, even if I order tonight, it won't ship until Monday, so it isn't that big of a deal if I need to order tomorrow. Thanks for the ratings link, didn't know we had one at AT.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Cool! Thanks very much

No problem. Good luck with getting Windows Server 2003. The AD improvements alone are worth the price of admission. I find the whole thing just more evolved (as it should), and love all of the new features in it. When I went to the launch event in the city for Windows Server 2003, Visual Studio .NET 2003 and SQL Server 2000 64-bit, Microsoft talked about how still the majority of businesses are running NT 4.0 with the logic "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." If you get Server 2003, and need any help with deployment, my PM box is always open.

 

[DOSfan]

No problem.

Just doing my little part to help out mechBgon.

He is (as far as I am concerned) the reigning champion of help in Cases & Cooling. He has helped me on several ocasions. So I am just trying to return the service where I can. ((Unfortunately, I have very limited experience in this department. I end up asking for more help than I give. ))

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: KraziKid

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Cool! Thanks very much

No problem. Good luck with getting Windows Server 2003. The AD improvements alone are worth the price of admission. I find the whole thing just more evolved (as it should), and love all of the new features in it. When I went to the launch event in the city for Windows Server 2003, Visual Studio .NET 2003 and SQL Server 2000 64-bit, Microsoft talked about how still the majority of businesses are running NT 4.0 with the logic "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." If you get Server 2003, and need any help with deployment, my PM box is always open.

Thanks, I may need to pick your brain once in a while

The top IT person in the non-profit where I work would prefer to see us migrate to Linux on the servers, but assigned me (an ex-bicycle-mechanic, mind you) the task of evaluating WinServer2003, which I did. I was impressed... it would save me, personally, so much time that it would pay for itself within 18 months, versus spoon-feeding our local fleet of ~80 Win2000 PCs by hand. Software installation via Group Policy, patching via Software Update Services, setup via Remote Installation Services... it would be like a dream come true for me, as the guy who works where the rubber meets the road. But our top guy sort of doesn't acknowledge the value of those types of things, maybe because he seldom has to do them. I guess we'll see what happens.

edit: thanks for the kind words DOSfan!

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: KraziKid

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Cool! Thanks very much

No problem. Good luck with getting Windows Server 2003. The AD improvements alone are worth the price of admission. I find the whole thing just more evolved (as it should), and love all of the new features in it. When I went to the launch event in the city for Windows Server 2003, Visual Studio .NET 2003 and SQL Server 2000 64-bit, Microsoft talked about how still the majority of businesses are running NT 4.0 with the logic "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." If you get Server 2003, and need any help with deployment, my PM box is always open.

Thanks, I may need to pick your brain once in a while

The top IT person in the non-profit where I work would prefer to see us migrate to Linux on the servers, but assigned me (an ex-bicycle-mechanic, mind you) the task of evaluating WinServer2003, which I did. I was impressed... it would save me, personally, so much time that it would pay for itself within 18 months, versus spoon-feeding our local fleet of ~80 Win2000 PCs by hand. Software installation via Group Policy, patching via Software Update Services, setup via Remote Installation Services... it would be like a dream come true for me, as the guy who works where the rubber meets the road. But our top guy sort of doesn't acknowledge the value of those types of things, maybe because he seldom has to do them. I guess we'll see what happens.

Yeah, I agree, those services are invaluable to an organization (have some of them implemented at my dad's office). I personally migrated from linux to Windows Server 2003. Before i got my MSDN subscription, I was running Gentoo Linux on my server. As much as I love Linux, after I installed Server 2003 on a test machine, my mind was changed for my server OS. I still love linux (and get to feed my inner linux geek through my mac command line), but Windows Server 2003 just did everything more efficiently, and as you put it, doesn't need spoon feeding.

 

[MDE]

From that Microcenter list, the Antec one should definately work and it's only $15.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: MonkeyDriveExpress
From that Microcenter list, the Antec one should definately work and it's only $15.

The only problem with that one is that it's 40 dB's. Thanks for the help though.

 

[MDE]

This one is under $13 and 30dB.
If you want, I could spare a stock HS from an Palomino XP 2000+ for $5 plus shipping.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: MonkeyDriveExpress
This one is under $13 and 30dB.
If you want, I could spare a stock HS from an Palomino XP 2000+ for $5 plus shipping.

Thanks for the offer, but I don't have either paypal, my own online bank account, or a credit card. otherwise I would take it up. I'll take a look at microcenter and compusa tomorrow and see what they have. If they don't have one I need, I will either try and find a way to work it out with you, or order from some store. I will keep you notified in case I become interested. Thanks for the offer. I will let you know tomorrow.