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can 480 also oc?

Way to early to tell. You will have to wait until a significant number of cards have been bought through retail. I'm sure nVidia will have been careful not to send any reviewers a total nail.

With the struggle that has surrounded getting the cards this far I am taking the review performance figures (heat, power and overclocks) as best case scenario and not the norm.
 
Mine does

826/1100 with no voltage increase

not bad

percentage wise it is better than my HD 5870 (950/1300)
- several reviewers got a good OC
 
@ Apoppin, lets not forget the "cherry picked" part of reviewers cards. btw, do you get to keep it?😀


OT: now we are pissing all over the forum eh
 
Madcatatlas said:
@ Apoppin, lets not forget the "cherry picked" part of reviewers cards. btw, do you get to keep it?😀


OT: now we are pissing all over the forum eh
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You are.

Of course i get to keep it; So does Anand and Kyle B; they keep theirs.
- it would be silly to give it back as it will be used in future testing on my site.
--- And we will get more GTX 480/470s from Nvidia's partners to *compare* with the reference card that Nvidia sent me.

i also get to keep the HD 5870 that AMD sent me last week. Was it "cherry picked" also?


Your point is?
 
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Why dont you take a deep breath and relax? It was a simple question, im not out to get you, and im not pissing in this topic.

i asked because you refered to it as "mine" and being on some norwegian sites aswell, i know they dont get to keep their examples, often writing that they have to send the card back or on to the next reviewer. 🙂
 
His point is that reviewers get review samples from both sides but that people who get them only from one side can't be expected to have a well balanced opinion on both products. Keep in mind this works on both sides and I guess that even guys who paid for theirs would be well inclined to say good things about it even if they never put their hands on the alternative.
 
Madcatatlas said:
Why dont you take a deep breath and relax? It was a simple question, im not out to get you, and im not pissing in this topic.

i asked because you refered to it as "mine" and being on some norwegian sites aswell, i know they dont get to keep their examples, often writing that they have to send the card back or on to the next reviewer. 🙂
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i am calm and relaxed.

it is "mine" .. i have no clue how Nvidia does things in in Norway but i do know other European sites keep theirs. Perhaps the reviewer is going to send it on to another editor in his own tech site; we often share HW amongst our editors at my site.

His point is that reviewers get review samples from both sides but that people who get them only from one side can't be expected to have a well balanced opinion on both products. Keep in mind this works on both sides and I guess that even guys who paid for theirs would be well inclined to say good things about it even if they never put their hands on the alternative.
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Keys has an excellent track record here. IF he exaggerated *anything* it will come out when people get their cards and he would be discredited forever. He has been on this site for *years* and no one caught him cheating yet.

This is the second time that i am aware of that Keys has *purchased* a top competing card with his own money to do benching for this forum. He and i did the same thing with 8800GTS vs 2900XT.

i am sure Nvidia is not "happy" with my review; but then neither is AMD
- i have only my readers to account to and my own personal integrity; there are no other pressures on me - it does not matter if they send me review samples or not - i can afford my own HW. No one sent me my HP LP 3065 (and i say good things about it and will also point out its shortcomings). Same with Core i7 system.

You also have to realize that there is a certain jealousy inherent to human nature; to put down someone for having something that may be better or faster than they have .. and there is an undeniable tendency to minimize what that person has to make oneself feel better about themselves and their own PC.
 
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i do have a question for you however, Keys.

You do not give your opinion of the HD 5870.

What do you think of it as a value for $400 keeping in mind it is $100 cheaper than the GTX 480? Have you been able to test it overclocked?
 
apoppin: you seemed to miss the point that both AMD and nVidia have cherry-picked the cards they sent out for review in the past, and both may still be doing it.

That means your overclock may be better than what typical buyers get. Not because you're exaggerating, but because you were sent a better than average card.
 
DaveSimmons said:
apoppin: you seemed to miss the point that both AMD and nVidia have cherry-picked the cards they sent out for review in the past, and both may still be doing it.

That means your overclock may be better than what typical buyers get. Not because you're exaggerating, but because you were sent a better than average card.
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Or mine may be worse as newer cards are released. IF Nvidia (and/or) AMD do that (any longer) then it WILL come out when the cards are released.

You have to also realize that i got 826/1100 at *stock* voltage; and the temperatures did not seem to be the limiting factor of GTX 480's OC.
 
apoppin said:
i do have a question for you however, Keys.

You do not give your opinion of the HD 5870.

What do you think of it as a value for $400 keeping in mind it is $100 cheaper than the GTX 480? Have you been able to test it overclocked?
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I'm not sure if his status allows him to give his subjective opinion of ATI products. I have seen him talk numbers but never anything subjective or qualitative. I can't remember him suggesting an ATI card to someone either.
 
My theory is the evga gtx 480 hydro is gonna be the card to get. Nvidia loves evga and if they do any cherry picking I'm betting it'll be towards them....That and being under water does give a person the edge on the thermal aspect.

As far as overclockability goes only time will tell as stated by others.

As far as cherry picking cards for reviewers it doesn't seem like a logical thing for either ATI or Nvidia to do....But I guess it's a possibllity tho ???

Now on the other hand I can say that TigerDirect did cherry pick my card for me. The dude went and grabbed that special card in my sig just for me and only me 😀
 
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I don't get that at all. I'd suggest buying the best card for you, that's what these kinds of message boards are suppose to help individuals with. We are here to help eachother make informed buying decisions.

IMO the problems comes with stuff like nVidia focus group and members who use falsfied information or twisted half truths to push one product over another. That kind of thing ruins what we come here for. Lack of integrity happens with or without stuff like the focus group, but it's fair game to call out members for what they show themselves to be and it's good for the community to push members with integrity in a higher regard over members who whore out to certain companies.

That being said, anandtech is one of, if not the best message boards for getting information and discussing hardware IMO.
 
apoppin said:
i also get to keep the HD 5870 that AMD sent me last week. Was it "cherry picked" also?
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I wouldn't be surprised.

Also I meant to ask you. Are you allowed to post links to your website even in your sig?
 
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AzN said:
I wouldn't be surprised.

Also I meant to ask you. Are you allowed to post links to your website even in your sig?
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i would be. it is a sealed PowerColor box and .. the most telling thing .. it is not a spectacular overclocker.

Yes i am allowed; as is BFG and keysplayr. it is a simple link.
 
apoppin said:
Mine does

826/1100 with no voltage increase

not bad

percentage wise it is better than my HD 5870 (950/1300)
- several reviewers got a good OC
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that is quite impressive. don't 480s scale better with clock rate than 5870s do too?
 
DaveSimmons said:
apoppin: you seemed to miss the point that both AMD and nVidia have cherry-picked the cards they sent out for review in the past, and both may still be doing it.

That means your overclock may be better than what typical buyers get. Not because you're exaggerating, but because you were sent a better than average card.
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Actually, his 5870 seems a little "finicky" with OCing compared to many others I've seen. I don't think it's cherry-picked at all, just a random card AMD sent out. Don't get me wrong, it isn't a "bad card", but perhaps a bit on the low side of average.
 
apoppin said:
Mine does

826/1100 with no voltage increase

not bad

percentage wise it is better than my HD 5870 (950/1300)
- several reviewers got a good OC
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Wasn't the original bin supposed to be 512 CUDA cores @ 750 Mhz?

So 826 Mhz on 480 Cores would probably work with the original spec (provided the sample is good enough)
 
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konakona said:
that is quite impressive. don't 480s scale better with clock rate than 5870s do too?
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i will be able to give you a more definitive answer in a day or two when i am done benching.

Final specs of the Radeon are known (975/1300 MHz) at 1.3250 V
it is yet undetermined what the ultimate OC of the GTX 480 is but i expect to run all of my benches at 825/1100. i will also look at a small voltage increase to the core to see if it remains within reasonable thermals for its spec

The Radeon hits a max of 79C with the fan at 60% .. so i do not want to give any more voltage. i believe this is a regular "off the shelf" HD 5870 PowerColor PCS+

i also think Nvidia did not pick any special chip for me to test or they would be shooting themselves in the foot very shortly. It should be random out of an early batch.
 
apoppin said:
The Radeon hits a max of 79C with the fan at 60% .. so i do not want to give any more voltage. i believe this is a regular "off the shelf" HD 5870 PowerColor PCS+
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Why are you stopping there? The 480s were hitting 97C in some of the various benches that I saw. I'm sure the Radeon can handle more than 79C.
 
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