Cameron sanctions assassination of UK citizen

[NTMBK]

Both Junaid Hussain and Reyaad Khan, were British nationals based in Syria ...

Today I can inform the House that in an act of self-defence and after meticulous planning Reyaad Khan was killed in a precision air strike carried out on 21st August by an RAF remotely piloted aircraft while he was travelling in a vehicle in the area of Raqqah in Syria.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...elp-create-safe-havens-in-syria-politics-live

So much for the Magna Carta. Who needs a fair trial, when you have "intelligence reports"?

 

[Matthiasa]

Officially speaking the punishment for high treason is death.
They would have likely have been found guilty in absentia...

 

[Fenixgoon]

self defense?

 

[cabri]

Addressing MPs, Mr Cameron said: "Both Junaid Hussain and Reyaad Khan, were British nationals based in Syria who were involved in actively recruiting ISIL sympathisers and seeking to orchestrate specific and barbaric attacks against the west including directing a number of planned terrorist attacks right here in Britain, such as plots to attack high profile public commemorations, including those taking place this summer.

Do you feel that they should have been allowed to continue the planning/implementation of an attack before anything should be done.

Khan had admitted to items that have had strikes against ISIS (kidnapping/ torture/beheadings,etc)

The UK obtained a chance to remove him; he did not deserve (based on his own words) to be granted mercy/chances to continue to plot damage

 

[NTMBK]

Officially speaking the punishment for high treason is death.
They would have likely have been found guilty in absentia...

Then have the trial. Prosecute them, find them guilty, then carry out the punishment.

 

[cabri]

And how many lives are to be lost while the issue drags through the courts?

 

[Murloc]

this is not WW2 anymore, citizenship has become a lot more fluid due to naturalization, multiple citizenships and massive migrations.
An enemy combatant in enemy-controlled territory is a target regardless of where he was born and raised (which isn't chosen by anybody).

 

[PingviN]

Enemy combatant, citizen or not.

 

[Brian Stirling]

I have zero problem with this -- NEXT!


Brian

 

[Sinsear]

Enemy combatant, citizen or not.

This.

 

[Darwin333]

Don't we do the exact same thing everyday? Hell we have even executed American citizens, against our own Constitutionally guaranteed due process, in the exact same way.

 

[Victorian Gray]

And how many lives are to be lost while the issue drags through the courts?

THE RULE OF LAW, do you understand the concept?

 

[nickqt]

Do you feel that they should have been allowed to continue the planning/implementation of an attack before anything should be done.

Khan had admitted to items that have had strikes against ISIS (kidnapping/ torture/beheadings,etc)

The UK obtained a chance to remove him; he did not deserve (based on his own words) to be granted mercy/chances to continue to plot damage

I'm assuming you had no problems with Obummer doing the same thing to US citizens in Yemen?

 

[NoStateofMind]

They should have given him X amount of time to respond to the charges brought against him and if not answered then they could remove his citizenship. = problem solved?

 

[unokitty]

Drone Operators Not Always Certain Who They Are Killing

Since 2004, drone program critics say, the strikes have killed hundreds of civilians, fueling anti-U.S. outrage, boosting extremist recruiting, and helping to destabilize Pakistan’s U.S.-backed government. And some experts warn that the United States may be setting a new standard of international conduct that other countries will grasp to justify their own targeted killings and to evade accountability.

Other governments “won’t just emulate U.S. practice but (will adopt) America’s justification for targeted killings,” said Zenko of the Council on Foreign Relations. “When there is such a disconnect between who the administration says it kills and who it (actually) kills, that hypocrisy itself is a very dangerous precedent that other countries will emulate.”

Allowing politicians to use drones to kill with impunity is something that this old Dog Soldier finds distasteful. Not to mention counter productive and unlikely to win any wars...

Uno

 

[WelshBloke]

They should have given him X amount of time to respond to the charges brought against him and if not answered then they could remove his citizenship. = problem solved?

Problem has already been solved if you ask me. :shrug:

 

[Brian Stirling]

Problem has already been solved if you ask me. :shrug:

Yeah, I'm a little on the liberal side with respect to capital punishment, but when someone declares war on you and actively engages in that war then they become fair game. We have the right, in fact the duty, to defend ourselves and our nation. Great Britain is no different in this regard.


Brian

 

[cabri]

I'm assuming you had no problems with Obummer doing the same thing to US citizens in Yemen?

When you declare war against a country/people, you become a fair target.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

Then have the trial. Prosecute them, find them guilty, then carry out the punishment.

How does the timing work out, exactly ?

Should they have waited, until AFTER they had horribly murdered the Queen of the (UK), and killed countless numbers of innocent fellow countrymen ?

Reportedly. They had to act, in order to save the Queens life and (presumably), many, many other people.

If a mad/criminal/horrible/evil man was going round a crowded place, with lots of people milling around. Shouting that they were going to kill lots of people, while wielding a gun.

The Police are potentially able to shoot the evil man, WITHOUT any need for a trial etc. E.g. in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11849862/British-jihadist-killed-after-plot-to-kill-the-Queen.html

British jihadist killed after plot to kill the Queen
David Cameron says an Isil jihadist was assassinated by an RAF drone in an attack he describes as a "new departure" for Britain in the fight against terrorists.

 

[Genx87]

And how many lives are to be lost while the issue drags through the courts?

I'd laugh but you actually believe this crap.

 

[Genx87]

How does the timing work out, exactly ?

Should they have waited, until AFTER they had horribly murdered the Queen of the (UK), and killed countless numbers of innocent fellow countrymen ?

Reportedly. They had to act, in order to save the Queens life and (presumably), many, many other people.

If a mad/criminal/horrible/evil man was going round a crowded place, with lots of people milling around. Shouting that they were going to kill lots of people, while wielding a gun.

The Police are potentially able to shoot the evil man, WITHOUT any need for a trial etc. E.g. in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11849862/British-jihadist-killed-after-plot-to-kill-the-Queen.html

We have heard this story before. When pressed for actual information on the plot. The govt wont provide any except vague assurances the plot was real.

You know how I know Anwar al-awlaki in Yeman was not a threat to the United States? Because it took them months of announcing they were going to do it. his father even went to court to block the assassination. The US govt also lacked evidence to the point they wouldn't even try to indict him. For instance, Bin Laden was indicted in a federal court. A non-citizen.

Careful what you wish for. This is training for when the drones come home.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

We have heard this story before. When pressed for actual information on the plot. The govt wont provide any except vague assurances the plot was real.

You know how I know Anwar al-awlaki in Yeman was not a threat to the United States? Because it took them months of announcing they were going to do it. his father even went to court to block the assassination. The US govt also lacked evidence to the point they wouldn't even try to indict him. For instance, Bin Laden was indicted in a federal court. A non-citizen.

Careful what you wish for. This is training for when the drones come home.

I can believe that the reported story is true. But it could be another "Iraqi weapons of mass destruction" like story. So one can never be 100% certain. My gut feeling is that the reported story is probably true.

Anyway, ISIS seems to be at war with, just about the entire world.
Similarly, some/much of the world is at war with ISIS.

If it is true that they have joined ISIS.

Then they probably deserve ALL that has happened to them.

ISIS seems to be a horrible organisation, which primarily creates death(of innocents), destruction of ancient monuments and other terrible (terrorist) activities.

I thought that the UK and US, amongst others. Had already stated that they intended to bomb (etc), ISIS targets.

If someone joins a horrible terrorist/murdering-innocents organisation. They probably deserve what gets meted out to them.

 

[mikeymikec]

And how many lives are to be lost while the issue drags through the courts?

I'm totally with cabri on this one. Come on guys, don't you remember what happened last time that there was super-trustworthy secret intelligence, the US and UK governments acted on it, saved millions of lives and avoided the destabilisation of a region...

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

I'm totally with cabri on this one. Come on guys, don't you remember what happened last time that there was super-trustworthy secret intelligence, the US and UK governments acted on it, saved millions of lives and avoided the destabilisation of a region...

If there is a war on. A soldier being dressed up as a German soldier, located in Germany and/or occupied territory. Was a valid target, for the British military, during World war 2.

This ISIS thing, seems to be boiling down to a war between ISIS and some of the rest of the world.

If someone joins ISIS, then they can be killed (during a war), just like the German soldiers were killed, during the second world war.

 

[Genx87]

I can believe that the reported story is true. But it could be another "Iraqi weapons of mass destruction" like story. So one can never be 100% certain. My gut feeling is that the reported story is probably true.

Anyway, ISIS seems to be at war with, just about the entire world.
Similarly, some/much of the world is at war with ISIS.

If it is true that they have joined ISIS.

Then they probably deserve ALL that has happened to them.

ISIS seems to be a horrible organisation, which primarily creates death(of innocents), destruction of ancient monuments and other terrible (terrorist) activities.

I thought that the UK and US, amongst others. Had already stated that they intended to bomb (etc), ISIS targets.

If someone joins a horrible terrorist/murdering-innocents organisation. They probably deserve what gets meted out to them.

Of course they deserve to rot in jail or killed. But we have a judicial process for metering out justice. Allowing an executive branch to be judge, jury, and executioner is a horrible policy. Give it enough time and more UK\US citizens become targets. The range of crimes expanded.

Like I said, these are trial run before the drones come home.