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Cam Newton cleared to play

Was? Still is a mess.....

Yup, the NCAA really screwed the pooch on this one (as far as mess goes).

The rule in question was clearly violated. NCAA bylaws state that any parent or representative of the player who solicits money causes the player to be ineligible. The NCAA's statement today heavily pushed the notion that since the solicitation was done without the player's knowledge it was unfair to punish the player. Not only is this contrary to the written rule, but it's also contrary to pretty much every punishment ever handed out by the NCAA. How many times have college athletes and fans questioned a NCAA ruling because there was no common sense involved and the NCAA fell back on "the letter of the law" as a defense? And this is the issue they decide to do a 180 on? That's not suspicious at all.

This also now creates a plausible deniability defense for runners, boosters, recruiters, and other unsavory types: claim the player had no knowledge of the actions. While the rule was written in such a way as to make players responsible for those that represent them [akin to how member schools are responsible for anyone even remotely associated with the program (Did you buy a ticket in 1964? Then by NCAA rules you are a booster for life and the school is responsible for your actions.)] now pretty much any violation can occur and all the player has to do is say "Didn't know".

The NCAA really fudged this one up bad. The player's dad broke the rules and the bylaws state the player must be held responsible. It may not be fair, but that's the way it is and that's the way the NCAA has adjudicated hundreds (thousands?) of cases before this one. By all appearances they not only are guilty of favoritism but in doing so also opened a Jenna Jameson canyon-sized loophole in their bylaws.
 
Yup, the NCAA really screwed the pooch on this one (as far as mess goes).

The rule in question was clearly violated. NCAA bylaws state that any parent or representative of the player who solicits money causes the player to be ineligible. The NCAA's statement today heavily pushed the notion that since the solicitation was done without the player's knowledge it was unfair to punish the player. Not only is this contrary to the written rule, but it's also contrary to pretty much every punishment ever handed out by the NCAA. How many times have college athletes and fans questioned a NCAA ruling because there was no common sense involved and the NCAA fell back on "the letter of the law" as a defense? And this is the issue they decide to do a 180 on? That's not suspicious at all.

This also now creates a plausible deniability defense for runners, boosters, recruiters, and other unsavory types: claim the player had no knowledge of the actions. While the rule was written in such a way as to make players responsible for those that represent them [akin to how member schools are responsible for anyone even remotely associated with the program (Did you buy a ticket in 1964? Then by NCAA rules you are a booster for life and the school is responsible for your actions.)] now pretty much any violation can occur and all the player has to do is say "Didn't know".

The NCAA really fudged this one up bad. The player's dad broke the rules and the bylaws state the player must be held responsible. It may not be fair, but that's the way it is and that's the way the NCAA has adjudicated hundreds (thousands?) of cases before this one. By all appearances they not only are guilty of favoritism but in doing so also opened a Jenna Jameson canyon-sized loophole in their bylaws.

Agree with everything you say. I'd be willing to bet if Auburn had lost the NCAA would have suspended him or at least not reinstated him.

Only in the NCAA can your university get whacked with probation and loss of practice time just because some coaches encouraged some extra practice etc etc looking at you University of Michigan, but hell if your dad or mom or coach essentially extorts someone for money so their star son or daughter plays for you...nahhhh that's totally fine as long as said star son or daughter doesn't know about it.

Actually the Cecil Newton can have 'limited access' to Auburn part had me in tears. WTF does that mean NCAA?? His fucking kid goes to school there, flaming retards...College sports unfortunately is going to get A LOT more dirty in the coming years unless the NCAA reverses course and fixes this grand canyon sized loophole
 
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Frick $cam Newton up his arse. Everytime I see that huge money eating grin, I want to punch the TV. I know, you know, he knows, and everyone else knows that he was involved the entire time in the whole PFP process, and it will eventually come out.
 
Yup, the NCAA really screwed the pooch on this one (as far as mess goes).

The rule in question was clearly violated. NCAA bylaws state that any parent or representative of the player who solicits money causes the player to be ineligible. The NCAA's statement today heavily pushed the notion that since the solicitation was done without the player's knowledge it was unfair to punish the player. Not only is this contrary to the written rule, but it's also contrary to pretty much every punishment ever handed out by the NCAA. How many times have college athletes and fans questioned a NCAA ruling because there was no common sense involved and the NCAA fell back on "the letter of the law" as a defense? And this is the issue they decide to do a 180 on? That's not suspicious at all.

This also now creates a plausible deniability defense for runners, boosters, recruiters, and other unsavory types: claim the player had no knowledge of the actions. While the rule was written in such a way as to make players responsible for those that represent them [akin to how member schools are responsible for anyone even remotely associated with the program (Did you buy a ticket in 1964? Then by NCAA rules you are a booster for life and the school is responsible for your actions.)] now pretty much any violation can occur and all the player has to do is say "Didn't know".

The NCAA really fudged this one up bad. The player's dad broke the rules and the bylaws state the player must be held responsible. It may not be fair, but that's the way it is and that's the way the NCAA has adjudicated hundreds (thousands?) of cases before this one. By all appearances they not only are guilty of favoritism but in doing so also opened a Jenna Jameson canyon-sized loophole in their bylaws.
Albert Means played four years, I don't think he was ever ineligible, and the money definitely changed hands there.

I don't think there's any evidence (or even allegations?) that money change hands in this case. The real slimeball looks like Kenny Rogers, although Cecil doesn't look like an angel either.
 
FIgures, the corrupt SEC has the NCAA by the balls.

To further expand upon why your comment is silly

Most NCAA violations on average by conference

1. Big 12- 4.8
2. Big 10- 4.3
3. Pac 10- 4.2
4. SEC- 4.0
5. ACC- 2.8
6. Big East- 1.9

I'd be willing to bet that the college team you cheer for is in one of those 3 above the SEC in major infractions. Amiright?
 
wow bad decision. though i have a feeling they will "fix" the rule before next year..

But how do you "fix" it? Where do they draw the line on people who can solicit on behalf of a player without the player's knowledge and still punish the player? Parents? Aunts? Uncles? Cousins? Girlfriends? Friends?

It's just ridiculous to me that the player could get into trouble because of something that occurred on his behalf without his knowledge. I do not agree with the idea of that at all as it just seems inherently wrong.

Now, I'm definitely open to discussing whether he actually knew or not but that's not really what we're talking about.
 
Now, I'm definitely open to discussing whether he actually knew or not but that's not really what we're talking about.

Do you really think he didn't know? If your answer is yes, you're naive. Yes, that's my opinion... but come on man!
 
But how do you "fix" it? Where do they draw the line on people who can solicit on behalf of a player without the player's knowledge and still punish the player? Parents? Aunts? Uncles? Cousins? Girlfriends? Friends?

It's just ridiculous to me that the player could get into trouble because of something that occurred on his behalf without his knowledge. I do not agree with the idea of that at all as it just seems inherently wrong.

Now, I'm definitely open to discussing whether he actually knew or not but that's not really what we're talking about.

I'm no lawyer, but I think Cam might have a pretty good lawsuit if he was ruled ineligible for something he didn't know about and no one ever benefited from. Of course if there was some benefit, then things would be pretty different.
 
Do you really think he didn't know? If your answer is yes, you're naive. Yes, that's my opinion... but come on man!

I think it's possible that the instigator in the whole mess was actually Kenny Rogers, not Cam's dad. If that's case, I could easily believe Cam didn't know. If Cecil was really shopping him, then it's a bit difficult to swallow.

One thing to remember is that Cam only had about 5 scholarship offers out of JC. Hard to work up a bidding war from that.
 
Another opinion of mine... aside from the college education, I think players should have added compensation for putting their bodies on the line on the field of play. And I mean monitary compensation. Nothing rediculous, but something fair for what they do.
 
Another opinion of mine... aside from the college education, I think players should have added compensation for putting their bodies on the line on the field of play. And I mean monitary compensation. Nothing rediculous, but something fair for what they do.

I know when I was in school you could work on campus for up to 20 hours a week and make something around minimum wage per hour. I don't see a problem paying a college football player that amount so they can have some spending money.

Of course I'm posting this from the angle that college players don't already get paid/benefits but we all know that's not true.
 
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