calories & carbs

[rudeguy]

those of you who work out...how many carbs/calories do you take in a day? I am starting to work out again and want to loose some fat and gain some muscle. I am thinking around 1000-1500 calories a day, and no more than 100 carbs...sound about right?

 

[JACKHAMMER]

If you are looking to gain muscle, 1200 calorie diet won't be enough. If you maintain a steady regiment of weights AND cardio. A 2000 calories/dy is what yuou should be looking for. Although it all depends really on how much you weigh currently and your metabolism.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Yea - 1500 is hardly enough if you want to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Shoot for at least 2000-2500

 

[rudeguy]

ok....2k calories...but cut back on the carbs or no?

 

[JACKHAMMER]

Limited carbs, don't cut them out entirely. Eat fruit, which contains sugar (carbs) - don't eat potatoe chips and try to stay away from pasta/rice/potatoe heavy meals.

 

[Lager]

Originally posted by: rudeguy
ok....2k calories...but cut back on the carbs or no?

Cut out carbs, eat carbs in form of vegetables, and don't drink sodas and eat candy.

 

[Eli]

You need to learn the difference between good and bad carbs, and good and bad fats.

I do believe that a new version of the food pyramid will take these into account.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Eli
You need to learn the difference between good and bad carbs, and good and bad fats.

I do believe that a new version of the food pyramid will take these into account.

as in the difference between complex carbs and simple carbs?


I am well educated on those

I know not to cut out carbs completely if I am working out...I dont need to go into a ketonic coma or anything...but I do want to get rid of the gut that I am starting to pick up. I figure on doing at least 30 mins of cardio before I work out to burn off the calories. I cut out everything but diet pop a long time ago, and now I am drinking at least half a gallon of water a day...that actually has kept me from snacking

 

[Rudee]

Protein and fiber provides the best combination for maintaining a healthy body. Eat lots of green veggies with the occasional snack on fruit, like apples, oranges, melons, and berries. Remember, fruit contains a fruit sugar called fructose, which in excess is not good for a lean body. Fiberous veggies on the otherhand, you can eat your heart out.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Rudee
Protein and fiber provides the best combination for maintaining a healthy body. Eat lots of green veggies with the occasional snack on fruit, like apples, oranges, melons, and berries. Remember, fruit contains a fruit sugar called fructose, which in excess is not good for a lean body. Fiberous veggies on the otherhand, you can eat your heart out.

I don't believe that one bit.

Nobody ever got fat eating fruits and vegetables. They contain so many other things that are important to your health.. The carbs are hardly a concern.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee
Protein and fiber provides the best combination for maintaining a healthy body. Eat lots of green veggies with the occasional snack on fruit, like apples, oranges, melons, and berries. Remember, fruit contains a fruit sugar called fructose, which in excess is not good for a lean body. Fiberous veggies on the otherhand, you can eat your heart out.

I don't believe that one bit.

Nobody ever got fat eating fruits and vegetables. They contain so many other things that are important to your health.. The carbs are hardly a concern.

I agree.

Back in the day I was weight lifting, I'd eat about 55% carbs, 15% protein, and 30% fat calories. Except that I would not eat stuff like potato chips and gummi bears.

Just don't eat too much food, and don't eat cr@p.

 

[chr6]

i take in 3000 calories and exercise alot

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee
Protein and fiber provides the best combination for maintaining a healthy body. Eat lots of green veggies with the occasional snack on fruit, like apples, oranges, melons, and berries. Remember, fruit contains a fruit sugar called fructose, which in excess is not good for a lean body. Fiberous veggies on the otherhand, you can eat your heart out.

I don't believe that one bit.

Nobody ever got fat eating fruits and vegetables. They contain so many other things that are important to your health.. The carbs are hardly a concern.

Fruit juice and fruit contains simple sugar which creates a insulin spike. Sugar from fruit and sugar from a candy bar are treated no differently in the body. The biggest difference is obviously the nutrional breakdown. Sugar is sugar. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. By the way, I'm not saying don't eat fruit, I'm saying if you want to get ripped, cut down the amount of fructose you ingest.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee
Protein and fiber provides the best combination for maintaining a healthy body. Eat lots of green veggies with the occasional snack on fruit, like apples, oranges, melons, and berries. Remember, fruit contains a fruit sugar called fructose, which in excess is not good for a lean body. Fiberous veggies on the otherhand, you can eat your heart out.

I don't believe that one bit.

Nobody ever got fat eating fruits and vegetables. They contain so many other things that are important to your health.. The carbs are hardly a concern.

Fruit juice and fruit contains simple sugar which creates a insulin spike. Sugar from fruit and sugar from a candy bar are treated no differently in the body. The biggest difference is obviously the nutrional breakdown. Sugar is sugar. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. By the way, I'm not saying don't eat fruit, I'm saying if you want to get ripped, cut down the amount of fructose you ingest.

Insulin spike, I know. Sugar is sugar, I know. That wasn't my point.

I'm saying that avoiding fruit because it contains sugar is obsurd. A large apple is what, 80 calories at best? And look at all the other stuff you're getting in the form of nutrition, enzymes, amino acids, bioflavenoids.. Like I said, nobody ever got fat because they ate too many fruits and vegetables.

If you want to be healthy, fruit and vegetables are a necessity. Nobody gets half their calories from fruits and vegetables(unless you're a vegetarian/vegan..), I'm saying it doesen't matter.

If you avoid nutritionally empty sugar calories, you can eat as much damn fruit as you want, it isn't going to affect how "ripped" you get.

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee
Protein and fiber provides the best combination for maintaining a healthy body. Eat lots of green veggies with the occasional snack on fruit, like apples, oranges, melons, and berries. Remember, fruit contains a fruit sugar called fructose, which in excess is not good for a lean body. Fiberous veggies on the otherhand, you can eat your heart out.

I don't believe that one bit.

Nobody ever got fat eating fruits and vegetables. They contain so many other things that are important to your health.. The carbs are hardly a concern.

Fruit juice and fruit contains simple sugar which creates a insulin spike. Sugar from fruit and sugar from a candy bar are treated no differently in the body. The biggest difference is obviously the nutrional breakdown. Sugar is sugar. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. By the way, I'm not saying don't eat fruit, I'm saying if you want to get ripped, cut down the amount of fructose you ingest.

Insulin spike, I know. Sugar is sugar, I know. That wasn't my point.

I'm saying that avoiding fruit because it contains sugar is obsurd. A large apple is what, 80 calories at best? And look at all the other stuff you're getting in the form of nutrition, enzymes, amino acids, bioflavenoids.. Like I said, nobody ever got fat because they ate too many fruits and vegetables.

If you want to be healthy, fruit and vegetables are a necessity. Nobody gets half their calories from fruits and vegetables(unless you're a vegetarian/vegan..), I'm saying it doesen't matter.

If you avoid nutritionally empty sugar calories, you can eat as much damn fruit as you want, it isn't going to affect how "ripped" you get.

I'm convinced you have a learning disability. I'm not saying to avoid fruit completely, nor did I say to avoid vegetables. If you think fructose in large amounts doesn't have a adverse affect on the body, then I suggest you do some thorough research. Fruit in large quantities stimulates lipogenic enzymes, raises serum triglyceride levels, promotes insulin resistance, and raises LDL cholesterol. The reason people are fatter today than they ever were before is because of high fructose, fructose corn syrup, etc. Fruit is rich in vitamins, fiber and antioxidants, but like anything in excess, it can be harmful to a body. I repeat: do not avoid fruit, but be aware of it's effects if ingested in large amounts. Some fruits are better than others in terms of their GI. It's all about moderation. BTW, I've been bodybuilding over 17 years, and know a heck of a lot about diet and exercise, especially related to metabolism.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee
Protein and fiber provides the best combination for maintaining a healthy body. Eat lots of green veggies with the occasional snack on fruit, like apples, oranges, melons, and berries. Remember, fruit contains a fruit sugar called fructose, which in excess is not good for a lean body. Fiberous veggies on the otherhand, you can eat your heart out.

I don't believe that one bit.

Nobody ever got fat eating fruits and vegetables. They contain so many other things that are important to your health.. The carbs are hardly a concern.

Fruit juice and fruit contains simple sugar which creates a insulin spike. Sugar from fruit and sugar from a candy bar are treated no differently in the body. The biggest difference is obviously the nutrional breakdown. Sugar is sugar. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. By the way, I'm not saying don't eat fruit, I'm saying if you want to get ripped, cut down the amount of fructose you ingest.

Insulin spike, I know. Sugar is sugar, I know. That wasn't my point.

I'm saying that avoiding fruit because it contains sugar is obsurd. A large apple is what, 80 calories at best? And look at all the other stuff you're getting in the form of nutrition, enzymes, amino acids, bioflavenoids.. Like I said, nobody ever got fat because they ate too many fruits and vegetables.

If you want to be healthy, fruit and vegetables are a necessity. Nobody gets half their calories from fruits and vegetables(unless you're a vegetarian/vegan..), I'm saying it doesen't matter.

If you avoid nutritionally empty sugar calories, you can eat as much damn fruit as you want, it isn't going to affect how "ripped" you get.

I'm convinced you have a learning disability. I'm not saying to avoid fruit completely, nor did I say to avoid vegetables. If you think fructose in large amounts doesn't have a adverse affect on the body, then I suggest you do some thorough research. BTW, I've been bodybuilding over 17 years and I'm very much aware of kinesology and metabolism when it comes to health. Like I said, do some research, and quit putting words in my mouth.

I disagreed with your tone about fruit. That is all. Large ammounts? I contend that it would be virtually impossible to eat enough fruit to "adversly affect your body" in a negative way. I will say it again; Nobody ever got fat eating too many fruits. They're going to be far more beneficial to your health than avoiding them because you don't want insulin spikes. If you're concerned about your health and others' health, you should advocate eating as much fruit and vegetables as you can.. along with a balanced diet.

And.. I never flamed you. STFU. :frown:

 

[CrazyPerson]

I eat whatever i wish... sometime 4 meal a day if i am really hungry..
i spend in gym 45min and swimming 45min
feels good

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee
Protein and fiber provides the best combination for maintaining a healthy body. Eat lots of green veggies with the occasional snack on fruit, like apples, oranges, melons, and berries. Remember, fruit contains a fruit sugar called fructose, which in excess is not good for a lean body. Fiberous veggies on the otherhand, you can eat your heart out.

I don't believe that one bit.

Nobody ever got fat eating fruits and vegetables. They contain so many other things that are important to your health.. The carbs are hardly a concern.

Fruit juice and fruit contains simple sugar which creates a insulin spike. Sugar from fruit and sugar from a candy bar are treated no differently in the body. The biggest difference is obviously the nutrional breakdown. Sugar is sugar. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. By the way, I'm not saying don't eat fruit, I'm saying if you want to get ripped, cut down the amount of fructose you ingest.

Insulin spike, I know. Sugar is sugar, I know. That wasn't my point.

I'm saying that avoiding fruit because it contains sugar is obsurd. A large apple is what, 80 calories at best? And look at all the other stuff you're getting in the form of nutrition, enzymes, amino acids, bioflavenoids.. Like I said, nobody ever got fat because they ate too many fruits and vegetables.

If you want to be healthy, fruit and vegetables are a necessity. Nobody gets half their calories from fruits and vegetables(unless you're a vegetarian/vegan..), I'm saying it doesen't matter.

If you avoid nutritionally empty sugar calories, you can eat as much damn fruit as you want, it isn't going to affect how "ripped" you get.

I'm convinced you have a learning disability. I'm not saying to avoid fruit completely, nor did I say to avoid vegetables. If you think fructose in large amounts doesn't have a adverse affect on the body, then I suggest you do some thorough research. BTW, I've been bodybuilding over 17 years and I'm very much aware of kinesology and metabolism when it comes to health. Like I said, do some research, and quit putting words in my mouth.

I disagreed with your tone about fruit. That is all. Large ammounts? I contend that it would be virtually impossible to eat enough fruit to "adversly affect your body" in a negative way. I will say it again; Nobody ever got fat eating too many fruits. They're going to be far more beneficial to your health than avoiding them because you don't want insulin spikes. If you're concerned about your health and others' health, you should advocate eating as much fruit and vegetables as you can.. along with a balanced diet.

And.. I never flamed you. STFU. :frown:

"Nobody ever got fat eating too many fruits. "

On the flip side, I've never seen a person get lean eating lots of fruit. I use to train clients at my local YMCA, and those clients who were brainwashed with the low fat fad, (thinking they could simply replace fatty snacks with fruit) quickly kicked their metabolisms back into gear when I had them limit their intake of fruit and increase their intake of fiber to 60 gms/daily over 9 weeks. The simple change of a reduction in fruit and increase in fiber made a enormous difference, as I knew it would. I also had my clients on upwards of 1.5 gms protein per pound, but I'm sure you'll disagree with that too. Get your head out of the sand.

 

[CPA]

You need to decide which to do first, because you won't have much success with either if you try to accomplish both at the same time.

In order to lose fat, you need to put your body in a caloric deficit state , in order to gain muscle you need to eat more than normally is required of your basal metobolic rate. Knowing that, you can see how do both at the same time would be very difficult.

 

[cpals]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee
Protein and fiber provides the best combination for maintaining a healthy body. Eat lots of green veggies with the occasional snack on fruit, like apples, oranges, melons, and berries. Remember, fruit contains a fruit sugar called fructose, which in excess is not good for a lean body. Fiberous veggies on the otherhand, you can eat your heart out.

I don't believe that one bit.

Nobody ever got fat eating fruits and vegetables. They contain so many other things that are important to your health.. The carbs are hardly a concern.

Fruit juice and fruit contains simple sugar which creates a insulin spike. Sugar from fruit and sugar from a candy bar are treated no differently in the body. The biggest difference is obviously the nutrional breakdown. Sugar is sugar. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. By the way, I'm not saying don't eat fruit, I'm saying if you want to get ripped, cut down the amount of fructose you ingest.

Insulin spike, I know. Sugar is sugar, I know. That wasn't my point.

I'm saying that avoiding fruit because it contains sugar is obsurd. A large apple is what, 80 calories at best? And look at all the other stuff you're getting in the form of nutrition, enzymes, amino acids, bioflavenoids.. Like I said, nobody ever got fat because they ate too many fruits and vegetables.

If you want to be healthy, fruit and vegetables are a necessity. Nobody gets half their calories from fruits and vegetables(unless you're a vegetarian/vegan..), I'm saying it doesen't matter.

If you avoid nutritionally empty sugar calories, you can eat as much damn fruit as you want, it isn't going to affect how "ripped" you get.

I'm convinced you have a learning disability. I'm not saying to avoid fruit completely, nor did I say to avoid vegetables. If you think fructose in large amounts doesn't have a adverse affect on the body, then I suggest you do some thorough research. BTW, I've been bodybuilding over 17 years and I'm very much aware of kinesology and metabolism when it comes to health. Like I said, do some research, and quit putting words in my mouth.

I disagreed with your tone about fruit. That is all. Large ammounts? I contend that it would be virtually impossible to eat enough fruit to "adversly affect your body" in a negative way. I will say it again; Nobody ever got fat eating too many fruits. They're going to be far more beneficial to your health than avoiding them because you don't want insulin spikes. If you're concerned about your health and others' health, you should advocate eating as much fruit and vegetables as you can.. along with a balanced diet.

And.. I never flamed you. STFU. :frown:

Sheesh, where's the love. I think there are two ideas being looked at here. One is the person who goes to the gym to just get in shape and feel good. The other is one who is an actual bodybuilder who is trying to create the best physique as possible. If you talk to most hardcore bodybuilders they will tell you that eating fruit in large amounts is not the best thing (if you're trying to bodybuild). If you're bulking up, then some fruit is alright and it'll count for part of your carbs, but if you're on a cut then do not eat too many fruits. Some professional bodybuilders even cut out fruits completely on a cut, because they are simple sugars. For a regular weight lifter, then eating fruit is no big deal and they will gain muscle, etc, but they just aren't as hardcore as the bodybuilders. Just two different ways of looking at things...

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee
Protein and fiber provides the best combination for maintaining a healthy body. Eat lots of green veggies with the occasional snack on fruit, like apples, oranges, melons, and berries. Remember, fruit contains a fruit sugar called fructose, which in excess is not good for a lean body. Fiberous veggies on the otherhand, you can eat your heart out.

I don't believe that one bit.

Nobody ever got fat eating fruits and vegetables. They contain so many other things that are important to your health.. The carbs are hardly a concern.

Fruit juice and fruit contains simple sugar which creates a insulin spike. Sugar from fruit and sugar from a candy bar are treated no differently in the body. The biggest difference is obviously the nutrional breakdown. Sugar is sugar. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. By the way, I'm not saying don't eat fruit, I'm saying if you want to get ripped, cut down the amount of fructose you ingest.

Insulin spike, I know. Sugar is sugar, I know. That wasn't my point.

I'm saying that avoiding fruit because it contains sugar is obsurd. A large apple is what, 80 calories at best? And look at all the other stuff you're getting in the form of nutrition, enzymes, amino acids, bioflavenoids.. Like I said, nobody ever got fat because they ate too many fruits and vegetables.

If you want to be healthy, fruit and vegetables are a necessity. Nobody gets half their calories from fruits and vegetables(unless you're a vegetarian/vegan..), I'm saying it doesen't matter.

If you avoid nutritionally empty sugar calories, you can eat as much damn fruit as you want, it isn't going to affect how "ripped" you get.

I'm convinced you have a learning disability. I'm not saying to avoid fruit completely, nor did I say to avoid vegetables. If you think fructose in large amounts doesn't have a adverse affect on the body, then I suggest you do some thorough research. BTW, I've been bodybuilding over 17 years and I'm very much aware of kinesology and metabolism when it comes to health. Like I said, do some research, and quit putting words in my mouth.

I disagreed with your tone about fruit. That is all. Large ammounts? I contend that it would be virtually impossible to eat enough fruit to "adversly affect your body" in a negative way. I will say it again; Nobody ever got fat eating too many fruits. They're going to be far more beneficial to your health than avoiding them because you don't want insulin spikes. If you're concerned about your health and others' health, you should advocate eating as much fruit and vegetables as you can.. along with a balanced diet.

And.. I never flamed you. STFU. :frown:

"Nobody ever got fat eating too many fruits. "

On the flip side, I've never seen a person get lean eating lots of fruit. I use to train clients at my local YMCA, and those clients who were brainwashed with the low fat fad, (thinking they could simply replace fatty snacks with fruit) quickly kicked their metabolisms back into gear when I had them limit their intake of fruit and increase their intake of fiber to 60 gms/daily over 9 weeks. The simple change of a reduction in fruit and increase in fiber made a enormous difference, as I knew it would. I also had my clients on upwards of 1.5 gms protein per pound, but I'm sure you'll disagree with that too. Get your head out of the sand.

No, not at all... I think we're basically on the same page, we're just understanding eachothers words differently.

I never really intended to argue with you, it's obvious that we both care about our bodies..

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Rudee
Protein and fiber provides the best combination for maintaining a healthy body. Eat lots of green veggies with the occasional snack on fruit, like apples, oranges, melons, and berries. Remember, fruit contains a fruit sugar called fructose, which in excess is not good for a lean body. Fiberous veggies on the otherhand, you can eat your heart out.

I don't believe that one bit.

Nobody ever got fat eating fruits and vegetables. They contain so many other things that are important to your health.. The carbs are hardly a concern.

Fruit juice and fruit contains simple sugar which creates a insulin spike. Sugar from fruit and sugar from a candy bar are treated no differently in the body. The biggest difference is obviously the nutrional breakdown. Sugar is sugar. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. By the way, I'm not saying don't eat fruit, I'm saying if you want to get ripped, cut down the amount of fructose you ingest.

Insulin spike, I know. Sugar is sugar, I know. That wasn't my point.

I'm saying that avoiding fruit because it contains sugar is obsurd. A large apple is what, 80 calories at best? And look at all the other stuff you're getting in the form of nutrition, enzymes, amino acids, bioflavenoids.. Like I said, nobody ever got fat because they ate too many fruits and vegetables.

If you want to be healthy, fruit and vegetables are a necessity. Nobody gets half their calories from fruits and vegetables(unless you're a vegetarian/vegan..), I'm saying it doesen't matter.

If you avoid nutritionally empty sugar calories, you can eat as much damn fruit as you want, it isn't going to affect how "ripped" you get.

I'm convinced you have a learning disability. I'm not saying to avoid fruit completely, nor did I say to avoid vegetables. If you think fructose in large amounts doesn't have a adverse affect on the body, then I suggest you do some thorough research. BTW, I've been bodybuilding over 17 years and I'm very much aware of kinesology and metabolism when it comes to health. Like I said, do some research, and quit putting words in my mouth.

I disagreed with your tone about fruit. That is all. Large ammounts? I contend that it would be virtually impossible to eat enough fruit to "adversly affect your body" in a negative way. I will say it again; Nobody ever got fat eating too many fruits. They're going to be far more beneficial to your health than avoiding them because you don't want insulin spikes. If you're concerned about your health and others' health, you should advocate eating as much fruit and vegetables as you can.. along with a balanced diet.

And.. I never flamed you. STFU. :frown:

"Nobody ever got fat eating too many fruits. "

On the flip side, I've never seen a person get lean eating lots of fruit. I use to train clients at my local YMCA, and those clients who were brainwashed with the low fat fad, (thinking they could simply replace fatty snacks with fruit) quickly kicked their metabolisms back into gear when I had them limit their intake of fruit and increase their intake of fiber to 60 gms/daily over 9 weeks. The simple change of a reduction in fruit and increase in fiber made a enormous difference, as I knew it would. I also had my clients on upwards of 1.5 gms protein per pound, but I'm sure you'll disagree with that too. Get your head out of the sand.

No, not at all... I think we're basically on the same page, we're just understanding eachothers words differently.

I never really intended to argue with you, it's obvious that we both care about our bodies..

Just a difference in perception. We both share the same bottom line.

 

[cpals]

Originally posted by: CPA
You need to decide which to do first, because you won't have much success with either if you try to accomplish both at the same time.

In order to lose fat, you need to put your body in a caloric deficit state , in order to gain muscle you need to eat more than normally is required of your basal metobolic rate. Knowing that, you can see how do both at the same time would be very difficult.

I was going to say that too, but ya beat me too it. It's extremely difficult to lose weight and gain muscle mass at the same time due to what he said above. I'm having a problem with that idea right now... want to get the power, but also want to lose the weight. It is possible to eat extremely clean, complex carbs, good fats, etc, and to gain the muscle while putting on very little fat and perhaps even losing a little. What a lot of people do is go in cycles... bulk up (excess calories, also you will add some fat here) for x number of months and then cut (less calories, lose fat, but probably gain no muscle) for x number of months and keep that going. If you're really fat then I would suggest cutting, but if you just have some love handles, but otherwise have a normal look then you could probably bulk without worrying too much about gaining alot of fat and then once you have some good muscle on ya, cut and you'll look a lot better than being skinny with no muscle.

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: cpals

Originally posted by: CPA
You need to decide which to do first, because you won't have much success with either if you try to accomplish both at the same time.

In order to lose fat, you need to put your body in a caloric deficit state , in order to gain muscle you need to eat more than normally is required of your basal metobolic rate. Knowing that, you can see how do both at the same time would be very difficult.

I was going to say that too, but ya beat me too it. It's extremely difficult to lose weight and gain muscle mass at the same time due to what he said above. I'm having a problem with that idea right now... want to get the power, but also want to lose the weight. It is possible to eat extremely clean, complex carbs, good fats, etc, and to gain the muscle while putting on very little fat and perhaps even losing a little. What a lot of people do is go in cycles... bulk up (excess calories, also you will add some fat here) for x number of months and then cut (less calories, lose fat, but probably gain no muscle) for x number of months and keep that going. If you're really fat then I would suggest cutting, but if you just have some love handles, but otherwise have a normal look then you could probably bulk without worrying too much about gaining alot of fat and then once you have some good muscle on ya, cut and you'll look a lot better than being skinny with no muscle.

If you're serious about losing fat (note I said "fat" not "weight") your best approach would be to focus on increasing your metaboism using strength training combined with a proper diet. i.e. your initial focus should be on gaining muscle. The additional muscle along with a change in diet will be the key to kicking your metabolism back into gear for the next phase, which will focus on losing bodyfat. I train people over 3 cycles, each lasting 6 weeks. Each cycle has different objectives towards the overall goal: A ripped muscular body.

 

[badluck]

You need to decide which to do first, because you won't have much success with either if you try to accomplish both at the same time.

In order to lose fat, you need to put your body in a caloric deficit state , in order to gain muscle you need to eat more than normally is required of your basal metobolic rate. Knowing that, you can see how do both at the same time would be very difficult.

Bump for good advice.


Rudeguy,

what do you weigh?
What is your diet?
How many times a day are you eating?


You probably should take in 10x-12x your bodyweight if you want to lose weight.