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calls..puts...writes...hedges...straddles...oh my!

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Can anyone offer advice on how to keep all the different options straight? I'm just having a hell of a time wrapping my brain around them and figuring out what to do when, what you stand to lose on each one, and how they work.

Any help would be appreciated...personal methods....web sites...ect.

Thanks!
 
Originally posted by: axelfox
Call price = price you can buy the stock at with your option

Heh. I got that one down. 😛

What I'm really getting tripped up on is calling short. I'm having trouble making the logical leap of how somebody can "borrow" a stock from somebody else, wait for the stock to drop, and then sell a stock that just dropped in value for a profit.

Where is the money coming from on the sale? It just seems like money is being pulled out of thin air.

And then it gets even more hard to comprehend when you start doing short straddles and making money off of premiums for a stock that does nothing.

I'm just stumped. Unfortunately the trainers for the class are of no use and simply say "keep reading the book, you'll get it soon enough".

🙁
 
Originally posted by: KuJaX
Just stick with stock shares not options if you don't know anything about options. You won't lose as much 🙂

this sounds like a class he is taking, not investing himself.
 
Yeh, it's an 8 day cram session my employer is putting us through to get us ready to sit for the Series 7 exam.

400 pages of this stuff in 8 days of class time is toooooooooooo much.

😕
 
Honestly, unless you're a seasoned investor, I'd recommend steering clear of options trading.

The book <i>Options as a Strategic Investment</i> is good if you want to see how options work and how they can fit into an overall investment plan. It's a little dry at times but it's good info.

Basically a call is a contract that allows the owner of the call to buy the indicated stock at the indicated strike price. You buy a call when you're bullish on the short term outlook of a stock. Your downside potential is only your initial purchase price. If you buy 100 calls with a strike price of $65 for $3/call, the most you can lose is $300 (which will happen if the stock never goes abote $65).

A call writer/seller is indicating that he/she is willing to sell the indicated stock at the indicated price. Let's say you buy FOO Corp at $30/share and you're willing to sell at $33 (10% profit). You can write covered calls for that number of shares at a strike price of $33. If someone buys those calls and the stock never reaches $33, you keep your shares and you keep the profit made from selling the calls, too. If the stock goes to $65, you only get $33/share. That's fine, though, because you indicated you were willing to sell at $33 anyway (no different than if you'd put in a limit sell order with the added benefit that you got paid for the calls themselves). You can also write an uncovered call which means you don't already own those shares. In this case, your downside risk is unlimited since you'll have to go out and buy those shares at whatever price they're at if/when the buyer exercises the options.

A put is a contract that allows the holder to sell (or "put") the indicated stock to the contract writer at the indicated price. You buy a put when you're bearish on a stock. If I think FOO corp is going to drop significantly in the short term, I might buy some puts, wait for the price to drop and then exercise the option. Like call buyers, the most a put buyer can lose is the initial contract price. Contrast this with shorting a stock where your downside potential is unlimited.
The put seller (or writer) is saying "I'm willing to let you sell this stock to me at this price". In effect, they're saying that they're convinced that the stock is going to go up and thus the options will never get exercised.

So basically:

Call buyer: bullish on the stock
Call writer: bearish on the stock
Put buyer: bearish on the stock
Put writer: bullish on the stock

There are lots of ways you can use both calls and puts to hedge your bets to come out ahead in most cases but like I said, until you're a seasoned investor, I'd recommend staying away from options.

Edit: doh. looks like there were some more responses while I was writing this. I didn't realize this was for a class and not for personal investment.

 
Yeh, definitely not for personal investment, nor for the solicitation or recommendation of others. It's for a support position, but they want us to be Registered Reps. NASD was getting grumpy that support staff was able to access/modify accounts without being registered.
 
Sorry. I said "if you buy 100 calls at $3/call your risk is only $300". Brain fart. I should have said "if you buy 1 call (100 shares) at $3/share, your risk is only $300".

Anyway, I recommend the book. It's 850 pages of the driest material you can imagine but it's a good primer.

 
Understand calls and puts first. Understand what it means to be a writer. That basically means you are a seller of an option.

You wno't get approved for anything more than buying puts and calls intiially anyways along with covered calls. So understand:
1) what buying a call is
2) buying a put is
3) what covered calls are

Once you master these three things, move onto naked puts and straddles.

Then the rest.

And it took me 3 mon ths to truely understand options.

Also understand volatility and the effect on options. That's more important than anything IMO.
 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: axelfox
Call price = price you can buy the stock at with your option

Heh. I got that one down. 😛

What I'm really getting tripped up on is calling short. I'm having trouble making the logical leap of how somebody can "borrow" a stock from somebody else, wait for the stock to drop, and then sell a stock that just dropped in value for a profit.

Where is the money coming from on the sale? It just seems like money is being pulled out of thin air.

And then it gets even more hard to comprehend when you start doing short straddles and making money off of premiums for a stock that does nothing.

I'm just stumped. Unfortunately the trainers for the class are of no use and simply say "keep reading the book, you'll get it soon enough".

🙁

Options are contracts. They are legally binding contracts. That's what you are signing when you send in your paper work. You aer making a contract to buy or sell an underlying stock at a given price between now and the experation date.
 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Yeh, it's an 8 day cram session my employer is putting us through to get us ready to sit for the Series 7 exam.

400 pages of this stuff in 8 days of class time is toooooooooooo much.

😕

YOU SUCK. I know all this BS and don't know anyone to put me through 7 series. I actually would like 7 series qual and people that could give two craps don't knwo the first thing about investing. ARGHHHHHHH

Well, best of luck to you.
 
Originally posted by: arcas
Honestly, unless you're a seasoned investor, I'd recommend steering clear of options trading.

The book <i>Options as a Strategic Investment</i> is good if you want to see how options work and how they can fit into an overall investment plan. It's a little dry at times but it's good info.

Basically a call is a contract that allows the owner of the call to buy the indicated stock at the indicated strike price. You buy a call when you're bullish on the short term outlook of a stock. Your downside potential is only your initial purchase price. If you buy 100 calls with a strike price of $65 for $3/call, the most you can lose is $300 (which will happen if the stock never goes abote $65).

A call writer/seller is indicating that he/she is willing to sell the indicated stock at the indicated price. Let's say you buy FOO Corp at $30/share and you're willing to sell at $33 (10% profit). You can write covered calls for that number of shares at a strike price of $33. If someone buys those calls and the stock never reaches $33, you keep your shares and you keep the profit made from selling the calls, too. If the stock goes to $65, you only get $33/share. That's fine, though, because you indicated you were willing to sell at $33 anyway (no different than if you'd put in a limit sell order with the added benefit that you got paid for the calls themselves). You can also write an uncovered call which means you don't already own those shares. In this case, your downside risk is unlimited since you'll have to go out and buy those shares at whatever price they're at if/when the buyer exercises the options.

A put is a contract that allows the holder to sell (or "put") the indicated stock to the contract writer at the indicated price. You buy a put when you're bearish on a stock. If I think FOO corp is going to drop significantly in the short term, I might buy some puts, wait for the price to drop and then exercise the option. Like call buyers, the most a put buyer can lose is the initial contract price. Contrast this with shorting a stock where your downside potential is unlimited.
The put seller (or writer) is saying "I'm willing to let you sell this stock to me at this price". In effect, they're saying that they're convinced that the stock is going to go up and thus the options will never get exercised.

So basically:

Call buyer: bullish on the stock
Call writer: bearish on the stock
Put buyer: bearish on the stock
Put writer: bullish on the stock

There are lots of ways you can use both calls and puts to hedge your bets to come out ahead in most cases but like I said, until you're a seasoned investor, I'd recommend staying away from options.

Edit: doh. looks like there were some more responses while I was writing this. I didn't realize this was for a class and not for personal investment.

Good book, but google tells you just as much.
 
Thanks for the help guys.

I don't want to, or need to be an expert in this. It's just that 50 questions of the entire 250 question exam is over options. That's a huge percentage of the exam that I'm getting tripped up on.

Everything else I'm very prepared for, it's just that options are such a foreign concept to me.

It all builds off of each other so getting stuck early on on the more simple concepts just destroys your ability to comprehend the more difficult ones (spreads, hedges, straddles, ect).

 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
What I'm really getting tripped up on is calling short. I'm having trouble making the logical leap of how somebody can "borrow" a stock from somebody else, wait for the stock to drop, and then sell a stock that just dropped in value for a profit.
Something is wrong with your description, which is why it doesn't make sense. If you buy a call (option to buy) and the stock drops far enough, your option would be worthless (why would you use it and buy something you can get cheaper on the open market) and you would let it expire. If you bought a put (option to sell), the price drop would be in your favor, you would buy at the low market price and sell at the high option price. If you sold a call expecting the stock to drop, you collect the premium.
 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
I don't want to, or need to be an expert in this. It's just that 50 questions of the entire 250 question exam is over options. That's a huge percentage of the exam that I'm getting tripped up on.
Sorry, I forgot to put the Series 7 advice on my last post. Reading the book is a waste of time and will probably confuse you more. Just do the options practice questions over and over, starting with the simple ones. Be able to understand what the question asks and let repetition and a formulaic approach take care of the calculations.
 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
What I'm really getting tripped up on is calling short. I'm having trouble making the logical leap of how somebody can "borrow" a stock from somebody else, wait for the stock to drop, and then sell a stock that just dropped in value for a profit.

Where is the money coming from on the sale? It just seems like money is being pulled out of thin air.

Do you mean selling short? That sounds more like the description of what you wrote.

If I sell short, I ask my broker to locate shares held in street name by another customer. I then sell those shares. Of course, I owe that unknown customer the stock, which I must replace sometime down the road.

I'm hoping for the stock to drop in price so when I replace the shares, I buy them back cheaper than what I sold them for. My risk is theoretically unlimited, because the stock can rise and rise and rise before I replace the shares.

 
Yes, I meant to say selling short. I went back and reread things and they made a bit more sense.

And UncleWai....THANK YOU for that site. The graphs help me get a much better visual of what is going on with the options.

*BOOKMARKED*

 
Good luck with the S7. Why are you taking it?

I took it many years ago but if you need any help, PM me. I have the 7, 63, 86 and 87.

 
Originally posted by: kranky
Originally posted by: vi_edit
What I'm really getting tripped up on is calling short. I'm having trouble making the logical leap of how somebody can "borrow" a stock from somebody else, wait for the stock to drop, and then sell a stock that just dropped in value for a profit.

Where is the money coming from on the sale? It just seems like money is being pulled out of thin air.
Do you mean selling short? That sounds more like the description of what you wrote.

If I sell short, I ask my broker to locate shares held in street name by another customer. I then sell those shares. Of course, I owe that unknown customer the stock, which I must replace sometime down the road.

I'm hoping for the stock to drop in price so when I replace the shares, I buy them back cheaper than what I sold them for. My risk is theoretically unlimited, because the stock can rise and rise and rise before I replace the shares.
The difference between your and kranky's descriptions is the timing of the sale. You clearly cannot make money if you act only after it's already dropped.

P.S. This is not an options trade. IIRC, none of the options hedging depends on this, so once you understand this, you should be okay. It's not like you have to build on this knowledge.
 
i've been playing around with call options lately, not naked calls though

bought nvda for $30.83 a few months back and sold a call contract on it when it was $36 anc change 10 days ago at a $35 stike and $2.20 for the contract

the way it's going i'll probably end up selling the shares at $35 to whoever owns it in a few weeks, but if the stock falls then I'll keep my shares and get the cash. planning to do this on more stocks and hope to make $500 a month in cash on a $10,000 investment.
 
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