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Denly

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Yesterday the lady bought home a 8lb pork butt, a cheap Walmart smoker(open end, 2 basins one larger one smaller and two racks) then tell me to get it done tomorrow...

Never smoke BBQ in my life how that thing operate? My understanding is you put charcoal and smoke wood in the large basin place it in the bottom, water in the smaller basin put it in with the charcoal. pork butt at top rack. Does that sound right?

I have braised(brine I meant) the pork last night, also bought charcoal.

What I don't know are
what temp? aiming 6hrs
will I have to add charcoal and smoke wood in between?
pork butt on the rack or on the tray?
Do I have to spray some liquid every once a while?
What else?
 
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Jeeebus

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it is sacrilege saying this, but i get just as good results with pork butt or brisket by hi-temp vs low and slow. cuts down time to about 5 hours for smoking.

good reference material: www.virtualweberbullet.com

one of the pork butt recipes has an addendum for the high heat cook. i think it is the championship injected one.
 
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Hopefully you got lump charcoal. But yes, it should be fire on the bottom, then the water pan, then the meat. Add some smoking wood to the fire (mesquite, hickory, whatever). If it's El Cheapo Brinkman, you might have trouble regulating temp well, but 6 hours sounds about right. Use a thermometer probe to test the meat.

You didn't really "braise" the meat last night, did you?
 
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You braised it (cooked in a pot with water)? Not sure what you expect to do now, it is already cooked.

Or do you mean you brined it (soak it in a salt bath)?
 

NetWareHead

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Bone in pork butts are easy to tell when done. When the bone pulls out, the meat is done and is ready for pulling.

6 hours is way too short for pulled pork. I do mine for 15 hours at 225 degrees.
 
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Not sure what you mean by braise. I hope you actually mean "salted" or "marinated" or something along those lines

Pork is easy, you really have to completely screw up to get get a bad result.

Smoker temp should stay 225-275. For 6 hours, crank it up to 250-275. 225 will take too long.
6 hours to too short to require a refill of charcoal. Smoke wood goes on during the first 2 hours. Just space out adding wood every 30 minutes. Don't add too much, it can really screw up the taste. 3 oz is usually good.

Shove it on the rack and keep in there.

Don't bother with spraying. At the 3-4 hour mark, wrap the butt very very tightly in multiple layers of tin foil and finish it off like that. Truthfully, you can finish it off in a preheated oven at this point if you wanted to. The taste will be unaffected.

You know when its done when you take a thermometer and the center reads at least 200 degrees. As long as the center reaches 200, you're good.
 
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MongGrel

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I always use lump charcoal myself, even in a Weber Kettle is pretty close the the same results I used to get from a smoker.

It might depend on the type of lump charcoal you get maybe, the Greenwise lump charcoal from Publix has always given me good results.

I'm a bit unclear on what you mean myself as far as braising, I hope you didn't boil it.
 
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I'm guessing OP burned his house down or braised his pork butt last night and ran away in shame.
 

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Oh gee, thanks for reminding me. I've was supposed to sear the ribs 2 hours ago. No wonder I'm feeling hungry. Gotta love sous vide for simplicity over the time/effort (adding charcoal, checking temperatures, adding smoking wood, etc.)

(Not that there's anything wrong with smoking. I'm not a purist, and the taste comes out the same.)
 
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Jeeebus

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Smoker temp should stay 225-275. For 6 hours, crank it up to 250-275. 225 will take too long.

Wat?

250-275 is going to get you a very raw pork butt in 6 hours. 325 - 375, up to about 160 degree internal temp, then finish it in foil. I like using those lasagna disposable pans from the grocery store. put the butt in there, add a cup of apple juice or something, and cover with foil. another hour or two and you'll be at 195-200 degrees internal. take it off smoker, let rest another half hour, and dinner is served.
 
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Denly

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Was on the road all day, whenever I try to check ATOT from phone it said my IP address is ban. WTF?

Anyway yet I mean salt bath, I throw the butt in to a bag with cold water, salt, sugar, black pepper, garlic, apple juice and some lemon leaf.

Let me sum it up. 6hrs at ?(some website said 225, some here said 325), first two hrs add wood chip every 30min. When reached 160 F put it in a pan and wait it to reach 200 F.

Anything else?
 

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Wat?

250-275 is going to get you a very raw pork butt in 6 hours. 325 - 375, up to about 160 degree internal temp, then finish it in foil. I like using those lasagna disposable pans from the grocery store. put the butt in there, add a cup of apple juice or something, and cover with foil. another hour or two and you'll be at 195-200 degrees internal. take it off smoker, let rest another half hour, and dinner is served.
You would be incorrect. The general rule of thumb is 20 minutes per pound at 225. The OP's got an 8 pound butt which puts it at 2 hours 40 minutes for medium rare. Given that most people like it well done (165 F), five to six hours is just fine.
 
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You would be incorrect. The general rule of thumb is 20 minutes per pound at 225. The OP's got an 8 pound butt which puts it at 2 hours 40 minutes for medium rare. Given that most people like it well done (165 F), five to six hours is just fine.
Erm, no, he is correct. The OP is not cooking a loin, he's cooking a butt. The connective tissue won't break down at the time/temp you suggest. A butt needs to reach between 190 and 200F for the connective tissues to break down properly and to allow it to be properly pulled apart.
 

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You would be incorrect. The general rule of thumb is 20 minutes per pound at 225. The OP's got an 8 pound butt which puts it at 2 hours 40 minutes for medium rare. Given that most people like it well done (165 F), five to six hours is just fine.

This is not roasted meat, this is BBQ. Smoked pork butt for pulled pork is not cooked to rare, medium etc... It is cooked until it can be pulled apart and shredded. Cooked low and slow to give the connective tissues time to break down.
 
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All depends on how much time you have and what your goals are. If you have the time to smoke for 15 hours or so, you will be rewarded by an incredible bark (smoky dark crust) formation on the outside of the meat. When you shred the pork later, the barks shreds too and mixes up to flavor the pile of pulled pork even more so. All of the connective tissues have time to dissolve and turn into juice which leads to flavorful juicy meat.

When smoking hot and fast, you will have less bark. The shorter amount of time it spends in the smoker, the less smoke flavor. Especially if you finish it in the oven it tends to take on the characteristic more of roasted rather than smoked BBQ'd meat. It will want to slice rather than shred when done hot and fast, smoking low and slow makes the meat fall apart for shredding. Hot and fast does not allow enough time for all the intramuscular pockets of fat and tissue to dissolve so you will need to discard these manually when you open the roast up.

In the future, skip the brining step. Pork butt is so full of connective tissue, fat and collagen that brining is almost unnecessary.
 
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If it is a cheap Brinkman smoker it likely doesn't have any adjustable vents and so you'll be unable to get beyond 225F. With pulled pork I wouldn't bother wrapping in foil.

Vent:
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btw-I have a cheap brinkman smoker. They are pretty fool proof. I'm proof anyone can smoke.
 
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Denly

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All depends on how much time you have and what your goals are. If you have the time to smoke for 15 hours or so, you will be rewarded by an incredible bark (smoky dark crust) formation on the outside of the meat. When you shred the pork later, the barks shreds too and mixes up to flavor the pile of pulled pork even more so. All of the connective tissues have time to dissolve and turn into juice which leads to flavorful juicy meat.

When smoking hot and fast, you will have less bark. The shorter amount of time it spends in the smoker, the less smoke flavor. Especially if you finish it in the oven it tends to take on the characteristic more of roasted rather than smoked BBQ'd meat. It will want to slice rather than shred when done hot and fast, smoking low and slow makes the meat fall apart for shredding. Hot and fast does not allow enough time for all the intramuscular pockets of fat and tissue to dissolve so you will need to discard these manually when you open the roast up.

In the future, skip the brining step. Pork butt is so full of connective tissue, fat and collagen that brining is almost unnecessary.

I have about 6-7hrs
 

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Pulled pork is done when it is done, there is no formula. Some butts are tougher than others for various reasons: genetics of the pig, age, diet etc... and just need more time. Id advise to smoke at a hotter temperature if you are in a hurry, 275-300 if you dont have time for low and slow at 225. Leave it in the smoker the entire time if you can. The butt is done when you can pull the bone out with your fingers from the meat. Thats the best indicator that the connective tissue has dissolved enough and ready for shredding.

Use briquette charcoal, I like Kingsford. Normally I like to use lump charcoal but the irregular shapes will make taming and controlling the fire more of a challenge. Lump also ashes less than briquette; ashes need to be dealt with over the course of long smokes as accumulation will eventually choke airflow. But for your first time, stick with the consistent nature of briquettes for now. Do not get lighter fluid impregnated briquettes, just regular kingsford.

Smoke wood: don't get chips as these burn up too quickly. Get wood chunks. I like to use a combo of mesquite & hickory for the base smoke woods and for pork I like to add apple as well. Smoke is like salt, you can overdo it. I typically add 4-6 fist sized pieces in the first 1.5 hours and then 2-4 after that. You can get away with 2 more pieces after hour 4 but tread carefully for fear of overdoing it.

Fire the smoker first without smoke wood and let it reach operating temperature. The smoke exiting from the vent should be blue/gray. Thick white smoke is acrid and will impart a bitter note to your meat. You typically get white smoke when the smoker is cold. Put your meat on the rack when the smoker gets hot, then open the charcoal area and add your smoke wood.

Your smoker should have airflow vents that control the rate of combustion and therefore temperature. Solid fuel doesnt make instantaneous temperature adjustments like propane. When you open the vent, the extra air allows more fuel to catch fire and you will see your temperature increase 15-30 minutes later. Same goes for decreasing the airflow, parts of the fire have to extinguish when you narrow an air vent. Make incremental adjustments and have patience for the results.

If you must for whatever reason; smoker not maintaining temperatures or you just need to speed it up, you can transfer to the oven at the expense of flavor. Wrap in foil and stick an oven safe thermometer into the meatiest thickest portion of the butt and away from any bones. Maneuver the thermometer where you can read it though the over window. I remove my butts typically at 195-200 and attempt the bone test. If it doesnt pull, it needs more time.

Is this for a party where you will be serving this to guests or for your own consumption? You have 2 simultaneous learning curves here to master: learning the smoker and how to tend a fire enough to stabilize the temp and keep where you want it. And learn how to actually tell the done-ness of pork and know what to look for when cooking. You may want to have a backup plan in case the meat is not done in time.

Your one consolation is that for a first time smoke you picked the best kind of meat: pork butt. Its very forgiving, loaded with so much fat that it almost never will dry out. It can take many mistakes and still make great pulled pork. Try it again after today's attempt when you can plan this one out better. Good luck.
 
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Denly

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Have been 30min+ and the smoker staying at 150f with vents full open, what give? add charcoal?
 

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Sounds probably right. How did you light it? if you lit a fire on top of the pile, it needs time to propogate throughout the pile and get the smoker to a higher temp. Mine needs sometimes 30 min or more to come up to temperatures.

Your vents are fully open at 150. When the pile really starts catching, it will takeoff like a runaway and then you are going to have a hard time applying the brakes as your temp soars past your cooking point. Close them to half and let the fire come to temp slowly and you can manage the airflow better and have quicker response. Managing a solid fuel fire is alot like playing chess, you need to anticipate what you want to do in the future and act accordingly now.

If when you need to add more charcoal, visually inspect it. If there is alot of ash, give the smoker a kick to allow for ash to fall downward through the grate. Poke with a stick if you have to. Push the remaining lit coals together and add fuel and smoke wood on top.
 
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Denly

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I don't have a chimney and lighter fuel, I use old school news paper. Yet, might not be even.