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drewshin

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First there was a story about the guy in Hawaii that had been out of the service for 13 years I believe, but was sent a letter to report for duty. Now this, is this going to start being more prevalent?

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04319/411224.stm

The Army's long arm
Sunday, November 14, 2004

By Dennis Roddy

GREENVILLE, Pa. -- Three years after he was honorably discharged from the Army, Frederick Pistorius was surprised to learn he was a deserter.

But there it was, on his doorstep: a letter from Barry W. Kimmons, Deputy Chief, Deserter Information Point Extension Office of the Army Reserve Personnel Command.

"On 12 July 2004 you were involuntarily mobilized to active duty in the United States Army," the letter says. "To date you have not reported to your mobilization station as required by your orders." Possibly Pistorius had not responded for two reasons. The Pistorius family had moved from the address in Sharon, Pa., to which the Army had sent its first letter. More saliently, having served honorably in not one but two branches of the U.S. military, with no additional obligation showing on his discharge papers, Pistorius would have had no reason to think he was subject to anything but his civilian job at a local steel plant.

Wendy Pistorius opened the letter and immediately telephoned an official at the Army reserve command in St. Louis.

"I told him there must be a mistake, because my husband had fulfilled his obligation," she said. "He basically told me that the Army does not make mistakes and that the orders were valid and if he did not show up as per the orders he would be prosecuted and taken to jail."

So began a two-month journey through the Army of Franz Kafka.

The paper trail is fairly straightforward on this one. Pistorius joined the Marine Corps in 1993. When he left the corps, he had a reserve obligation that expired June 25, 2000. The pool into which he would have gone is called the Individual Ready Reserve -- essentially former military available for service in times of emergency. After a few months of knocking around for work, Pistorius decided to go back into the military, get more training in his specialty -- cook -- and complete his reserve obligation with full-time duty. The Marines weren't taking back departed members who'd been out for a year, so, in 1998, he joined the Army, signing a three-year contract.

Pistorius was honorably discharged from the Army in July 20, 2001. His certificate of release attests to his accomplishments: Army Achievement Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Sharpshooter qualification. The upper corner is the spot in which the military lists a departing member's reserve obligation, the amount of time discharged soldiers, sailors and Marines remain subject to recall. For Pistorius, the boxes contain a succession of zeroes.

Because he was discharged well after his prior reserve obligation had passed, the Army laid no further claim to him, until someone in St. Louis ignored those zeroes and went hunting for a fresh body to fill a manpower shortage that grows more painful with every Iraqi sunset.

"They basically told me that my Marine Corps time doesn't count as military service," Pistorius said. Faced with a threat of AWOL charges, and worried that a spotless military record was about to be stained, Pistorius headed last month to Camp McGrady in South Carolina.

"The first thing they did was thank us for showing up," Pistorius said. "They had 150 that were supposed to show up and about 75 did. Of those 75 maybe only 40 or 50 are medically fit."

Here, Pistorius's Army recruitment contract comes into play. It was the one document he says he had not kept, figuring his military days were over. The Army public affairs office did not return phone calls asking about the matter so we have only Pistorius' version. He said he asked for a copy, but was always told the thing was "in transit" from St. Louis. The contract would settle any questions about whether he might have, inadvertently, signed up for another round of reserve duty, but it seems implausible.

Equally implausible were the men who turned up at Camp McGrady last month.

When I first spoke to Pistorius, by telephone from the camp, he said nobody had been given a physical. He told his Army commanders that he had a permanent back injury from a car crash. They were unimpressed by a letter from his chiropractor. His pre-deployment health assessment lists him in this word: "Deployable."

Pistorius spoke with his captain.

"He said everybody here's going to Iraq," Pistorius said. "It's unbelievable some of the guys they're bringing down there."

One man arrived with a hospital identification band still on his wrist. He'd just had knee surgery. One 48-year-old from Alabama had a hip replacement and fused vertebrae in his back.

"He showed them the documents, but they still made him come down to be examined by their doctors," Pistorius said. Pistorius spoke of a man called back from upstate New York.

"He had no teeth and he had arthritis in his leg," he said.

Andrew Bacevich, a retired Army colonel and now a professor at Boston University, wasn't surprised at the report.

"The Individual Ready Reserve -- that title is a misnomer. They're not ready," Bacevich said. "It's the equivalent of me walking out here on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston, and taking the first 5,000 people I meet and saying 'you're now in the military.' "

At Camp McGrady, Pistorius kept up his campaign to convince the Army they had essentially drafted a civilian. Back home, Wendy Pistorius assembled a list of numbers: St. Louis, her senator's office, the White House. One person would tell her that her husband shouldn't have been called up. Another would tell Frederick Pistorius that it was simply his turn.

He said at one point an Army lawyer in South Carolina held out the receiver so he could hear the person on the other end explain that his big problem was showing up. So many people had either moved or ignored their orders to report that the Army was loath to part with a reasonably healthy one that had.

Suddenly, on Nov. 5, Pistorius was ordered to pack up. He was driven to the airport and told he was going home. At the last minute, he was handed a letter declaring: "You are released from active duty, by reason of physical disability." He had already packed up the pre-deployment assessment that said precisely the opposite. The letter also says he's subject to reserve obligation until Feb. 26, 2006.

The Pistorius family, with its three children, ages 6, 5 and 2, is now trying to figure out what to do without a month's wages. "I just put everything off," Wendy Pistorius said. "I paid only the bills I absolutely had to."

The Army took back the family separation allowance he was given when called to Camp McGrady. Frederick Pistorius is working a swing shift at the local tube plant and trying to figure out if the Army still considers him a reservist and if he's going to get another letter from St. Louis.

"I don't want to get arrested in front of my kids," he said.
 

eigen

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And people actually believe there is not gonna be a draft.Hell I would support one if it meant these guys not getting screwed over.
 

AntiEverything

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Does he have his DD214? If he does, and they're still claiming he has to show up, then that's definitely bullsht. Present the papers, and tell them to ah heck off.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: AntiEverything
Does he have his DD214? If he does, and they're still claiming he has to show up, then that's definitely bullsht. Present the papers, and tell them to ah heck off.

He's got his one from the Army, it says so in the article. They don't specify if he's got one from when he was a Marine.
 

Sysbuilder05

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Repeat after me: BACKDOOR DRAFT,BACKDOOR DRAFT

Looks like Kerry was right just like Gore nailed all of Bush idiot fiscal plans as a "Risky Scheme".
 

AntiEverything

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: AntiEverything
Does he have his DD214? If he does, and they're still claiming he has to show up, then that's definitely bullsht. Present the papers, and tell them to ah heck off.

He's got his one from the Army, it says so in the article. They don't specify if he's got one from when he was a Marine.

Oh, yeah, I see that now. Perhaps it was just some screw-up in paperwork since he activated in another branch while he was still IRR in the marines?
 

cKGunslinger

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So.. huge, inefficent government bureaucracy leads to some mistakes that royally screw over some people? And this can simply be blamed on the current administration, rather than the system as a whole? :confused:

I agree that this is a tragedy and no citizen, much less one that have served honorably in our military, should ever receive this kind of treatment or be a victim to this kind of mistake, but no matter who was in charge, I think we'd see this kind of error. The current state of politics in America help news organizations feel the need to bring things like this to light, same as with the recent issues of voter fraud. But these problems have always existed and definitely need to be addresses and rectified, but they really can't be blamed on the incumbant President. His policies may have exposed and exasperated the errors, but I don't think you can rightly pin the source of them on him, IMO.

And go ahead and feel free to chalk this post up as nothing but "spin," I can take it. ;)
 

drewshin

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come on ck, no more delusions, no mention of bush in my post, , youre reading too much into this stuff :)

i was just saying that there are more and more of these stories popping up, where there were NO errors, the guy in the article mentioned that at least half that were called did not show up, and of those about half of them were not physically ready to be sent into iraq (im sure that could be fixed quickly though with a few weeks in boot camp :) ).

the thing that concerned me was the fact that the army lawyer letting him hear the person from the army saying that his big problem was showing up, and that the army didn't want to give up a reasonably heatlhy person it had sent a letter to. it seems to me like they are sending these letters out, threatening people with AWOL or desertion, and see what shows up. am i reading too much into this stuff now? :)
 

AntiEverything

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The military paperwork machine is f'ed up. I spent 6 years USAR IRR, and they would sporadically send me notices that I had to come in for a physical or some such. I would call the number they gave me, and nobody would know anything about me. Went to the local recruiters office thinking they might be able to figure things out, since I did want to fulfill my obligations. They couldn't help. I never did end up taking a physical, or going in for any kind of training or anything (aren't IRR members supposed to do a yearly training? I never did. *shrug*) and I was simply discharged 8 years after I enlisted, to the day.

Having been there, I'm more inclined to believe that everybody has their heads up their arses than to believe conspiracy theories, but that's just me. :)
 

judasmachine

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Why does the military feel it so nessecary to rape their own? My Dad who served during Vietnam, can now go get his diabetes meds at the VA pretty much free of charge. His dad who drove a tank onto the beaches of Normandy then drove it through to the Elbe River, was able to go to the VA and get anything taken care of, even after he suffered a stroke in the early 80s. These soldiers in Iraq, are screwed there is nothing left for them. And to top it off what does the military do? They redraft them..................... nice.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: drewshin
come on ck, no more delusions, no mention of bush in my post, , youre reading too much into this stuff :)

i was just saying that there are more and more of these stories popping up, where there were NO errors, the guy in the article mentioned that at least half that were called did not show up, and of those about half of them were not physically ready to be sent into iraq (im sure that could be fixed quickly though with a few weeks in boot camp :) ).

the thing that concerned me was the fact that the army lawyer letting him hear the person from the army saying that his big problem was showing up, and that the army didn't want to give up a reasonably heatlhy person it had sent a letter to. it seems to me like they are sending these letters out, threatening people with AWOL or desertion, and see what shows up. am i reading too much into this stuff now? :)

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that *you* were blaming all this this on Bush, but you can tell by many of the responses that some here are, that's all. :thumbsup:
 

dahunan

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Give the man his god damned months wages you MFers


btw - if Bush didn't send 150,000 troops into hell for no reason then things would be different at the recruiting offices...
 

slyedog

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sysbuilder05 said:
Looks like Kerry was right just like Gore nailed all of Bush idiot fiscal plans as a "Risky Scheme
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kerry and gore are both loosers. don't pay them any attention
 

earthman

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So.. huge, inefficent government bureaucracy leads to some mistakes that royally screw over some people? And this can simply be blamed on the current administration, rather than the system as a whole?

It was the current administration that started this war and decided we could "win" it with a "few" good men.
It is their fault because otherwise these issues would never arise.
 

kage69

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kerry and gore are both loosers. don't pay them any attention



That's right, pay attention to inciteful commentary by someone who can't spell 'losers.' Running records aside, I'd put money on both of them having more acheivements and 'intellect in an earlobe' than you have completely.