Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood

ja1484

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If you haven't played Call of Juarez, you probably won't be excited. If you did, you probably loved the western grit and were mildly disappointed at some of the unrealized potential of a game that got almost everything right.

Well, the sequel is coming, and the from the trailer it looks like a doozy. Enjoy:

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/act...in-blood-story-trailer
 

Liet

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WHOA, that trailer was kickass! I'd absolutely love to play a gritty western... hope this is it.
 

ja1484

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Pass the time until release playing the first one. You can find it in many bargain bins, or on Steam for $19.99. It's very very good, and you can see how with the experience of making it they could churn out something super special the second go round.
 

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Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: apoppin
DX9 only .. no DX10 for PC :p

That's odd...there's a DX10 update for the 1st one.

The say it is too much work :p

so it looks like a pure console port to PC
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This is from the PC Games Hardware Interview with Techland link I posted earlier:

PCGH: You announced DX10 support for the game. Will the DX10.1 as well be supported or do you skip that step in the evolution of the API?

Techland: No, we don't support DX10 or DX10.1 in Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood.

PCGH: Many fellow developers report that in theory many DX10 effects can be realized with DX9 as well. Do you agree? Do you think DX10 and even DX11 are the Future of gaming graphics? Have you already thought about alternative displaying techniques like Raytracing or Point Rendering?

Techland: You can create very good graphics using DX9 only, that was one of the reasons of our decision not to support DX10 in CoJ:BiB. DX10 has many additional features beyond DX9 but unfortunately it's quite hard to use them to get more than just a slight improvement in the overall quality of the game. This is especially true when you design your game for the consoles and cannot afford to create everything with DX10 features in mind. It may change in the future though, with Vista becoming more popular and the introduction of Windows 7 and DX11.

As long as new rendering techniques are concerned we don't think they will be utilized soon, at least not in games. They are too new and immature yet to be a viable alternative to classic rasterized rendering. Also the performance of these techniques seems to be too poor on the current generation hardware.
 

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Originally posted by: Sam25
This is from the PC Games Hardware Interview link I posted earlier:

PCGH: You announced DX10 support for the game. Will the DX10.1 as well be supported or do you skip that step in the evolution of the API?

Techland: No, we don't support DX10 or DX10.1 in Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood.

PCGH: Many fellow developers report that in theory many DX10 effects can be realized with DX9 as well. Do you agree? Do you think DX10 and even DX11 are the Future of gaming graphics? Have you already thought about alternative displaying techniques like Raytracing or Point Rendering?

Techland: You can create very good graphics using DX9 only, that was one of the reasons of our decision not to support DX10 in CoJ:BiB. DX10 has many additional features beyond DX9 but unfortunately it's quite hard to use them to get more than just a slight improvement in the overall quality of the game. This is especially true when you design your game for the consoles and cannot afford to create everything with DX10 features in mind. It may change in the future though, with Vista becoming more popular and the introduction of Windows 7 and DX11.

As long as new rendering techniques are concerned we don't think they will be utilized soon, at least not in games. They are too new and immature yet to be a viable alternative to classic rasterized rendering. Also the performance of these techniques seems to be too poor on the current generation hardware.

ouch

 

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Originally posted by: Sam25
This is from the PC Games Hardware Interview with Techland link I posted earlier:

PCGH: You announced DX10 support for the game. Will the DX10.1 as well be supported or do you skip that step in the evolution of the API?

Techland: No, we don't support DX10 or DX10.1 in Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood.

PCGH: Many fellow developers report that in theory many DX10 effects can be realized with DX9 as well. Do you agree? Do you think DX10 and even DX11 are the Future of gaming graphics? Have you already thought about alternative displaying techniques like Raytracing or Point Rendering?

Techland: You can create very good graphics using DX9 only, that was one of the reasons of our decision not to support DX10 in CoJ:BiB. DX10 has many additional features beyond DX9 but unfortunately it's quite hard to use them to get more than just a slight improvement in the overall quality of the game. This is especially true when you design your game for the consoles and cannot afford to create everything with DX10 features in mind. It may change in the future though, with Vista becoming more popular and the introduction of Windows 7 and DX11.

As long as new rendering techniques are concerned we don't think they will be utilized soon, at least not in games. They are too new and immature yet to be a viable alternative to classic rasterized rendering. Also the performance of these techniques seems to be too poor on the current generation hardware.

GAY!!!!
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: ja1484

It appears the platform elitists have invaded in record time.

well, nothing exciting for PC gamers; might as well play it on XBox or PS3
-nothing special for us :p

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i won't use DX9c as a new benchmark; i might as well continue using CoJ
- DX10 looks better than DX9c in the original .. they are lazy So D evs

i am just disappointed and won't support it
 

Piuc2020

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Bound in Blood looks nothing more like a consolized sequel, I have little hope for the game.
 

ja1484

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You kids and your silly little "rah rah rah this platform only!" crack me up.

It's 2009. It's not like PCs are expensive. Build a good gaming PC, buy the consoles you want, and play what you want where you want. Games developed for single platforms are fast becoming dinosaurs, and good riddance.

Who cares about benchmarking? If it's fun, I couldn't give a shit which version of DirectX is behind it.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: ja1484
You kids and your silly little "rah rah rah this platform only!" crack me up.

It's 2009. It's not like PCs are expensive. Build a good gaming PC, buy the consoles you want, and play what you want where you want. Games developed for single platforms are fast becoming dinosaurs, and good riddance.

Who cares about benchmarking? If it's fun, I couldn't give a shit which version of DirectX is behind it.

i care. i benchmark. i like DX10 .. it IS 200NINE - DX10 has been out for 2 years
who really gives a crap about what you think about DX10 - besides you?
:roll:
.. DX10 is exclusive to PC gaming and it provides a superior graphic experience

are you still stuck on XP with an under performing computer ?
.. sorry :p
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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: ja1484
You kids and your silly little "rah rah rah this platform only!" crack me up.

It's 2009. It's not like PCs are expensive. Build a good gaming PC, buy the consoles you want, and play what you want where you want. Games developed for single platforms are fast becoming dinosaurs, and good riddance.

Who cares about benchmarking? If it's fun, I couldn't give a shit which version of DirectX is behind it.

i care. i benchmark. i like DX10 .. it IS 200NINE - DX10 has been out for 2 years
who really gives a crap about what you think about DX10 - besides you?

.. DX10 is exclusive to PC gaming and it provides a superior graphic experience

are you still stuck on XP with an under performing computer ?
.. sorry

In a similar vein:

No one, especially not developers, care what you think about DX10, largely because it doesn't provide a superior graphical experience. It provides a marginally better one at best at the cost of much additional development work.

The benchmarking forums are that way ---->

And I mean, really? Are you seriously trying to make me insecure about the PC I choose to game on? As though my self esteem is actually related to what hardware I happen to have this six months? That's some sorry, sorry bait. Try harder.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: ja1484
You kids and your silly little "rah rah rah this platform only!" crack me up.

It's 2009. It's not like PCs are expensive. Build a good gaming PC, buy the consoles you want, and play what you want where you want. Games developed for single platforms are fast becoming dinosaurs, and good riddance.

Who cares about benchmarking? If it's fun, I couldn't give a shit which version of DirectX is behind it.

i care. i benchmark. i like DX10 .. it IS 200NINE - DX10 has been out for 2 years
who really gives a crap about what you think about DX10 - besides you?

.. DX10 is exclusive to PC gaming and it provides a superior graphic experience

are you still stuck on XP with an under performing computer ?
.. sorry

In a similar vein:

No one, especially not developers, care what you think about DX10, largely because it doesn't provide a superior graphical experience. It provides a marginally better one at best at the cost of much additional development work.

The benchmarking forums are that way ---->

And I mean, really? Are you seriously trying to make me insecure about the PC I choose to game on? As though my self esteem is actually related to what hardware I happen to have this six months? That's some sorry, sorry bait. Try harder.
<---------------------and the console fan forum is the opposite direction :p

Then i am right, you haven't experienced a great game enhanced by DX10 running on a fast PC at a good resolution
- and as i said they are lazy So D evs and i will NOT support them on the PC platform

Don't hold me back because i choose to game on a DX10 platform
- it is the present and the future
 

WaitingForNehalem

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Seriously, I paid for a DX10 card and that's what I want. I also paid for a 64bit processor and I want that too but no, that takes too much time and time is money for developers. Everyone knows you have to have a new game every month so we'll just rush this one out so we can gain more sales. MONEY MONEY MONEY! :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: apoppin
<---------------------and the console fan forum is the opposite direction :p

I do most of my gaming on PC. I happen to enjoy some console games as well. Stop being idiot because you need to attach the worth of your personal views to taking sides. You're only sabotaging your own enjoyment of gaming.

Then i am right, you haven't experienced a great game enhanced by DX10 running on a fast PC at a good resolution

No, you're very wrong. I've been running a Vista machine for a good year with two different DX10 cards during that time. There hasn't been a great game with DX10 support that had any noticeable difference when enabled. The closest I guess anyone could claim is Crysis/Warhead?...which never looked that different in DX10 when I played it. Clear Sky? Great, but all the effects were doable in DX9. Call of Juarez looked different because of the *updated hi-res textures* more than anything else. I'm having trouble thinking of other titles supporting DX10 that were any fun.

- and as i said they are lazy So D evs and i will NOT support them on the PC platform

You get to complain when YOU do something more productive than them in producing a DX10 title. Until then, you have no right to bitch.

Don't hold me back because i choose to game on a DX10 platform
- it is the present and the future

Obviously it's not the present, because you're bitching about the lack of it. That's your entire point in this thread. It may very well be the future, but please don't whine about being "held back"...you can't buy a decent performing graphics card today that doesn't have DX10 support. Developers aren't "holding you back" (you're an arrogant little something, aren't you?), they have no reason to invest man-hours in something that will not recoup its cost at retail.

I see this problem on this forum regularly - you think the development studios are out their to service your little gaming desires. They're not. They want to make money. That's why there's a thread in this forum every other week crying about how this or that formerly-PC-exclusive dev "sold out" to the dark side. The entire purpose of business is to sell out, you twits. That's how you make money.

 

Ackmed

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Im excited about this game. Enjoyed the first.

And any self respecting gamer would pick to play on the PC, when available for a shooter.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: apoppin
<---------------------and the console fan forum is the opposite direction :p

I do most of my gaming on PC. I happen to enjoy some console games as well. Stop being idiot because you need to attach the worth of your personal views to taking sides. You're only sabotaging your own enjoyment of gaming.

Then i am right, you haven't experienced a great game enhanced by DX10 running on a fast PC at a good resolution

No, you're very wrong. I've been running a Vista machine for a good year with two different DX10 cards during that time. There hasn't been a great game with DX10 support that had any noticeable difference when enabled. The closest I guess anyone could claim is Crysis/Warhead?...which never looked that different in DX10 when I played it. Clear Sky? Great, but all the effects were doable in DX9. Call of Juarez looked different because of the *updated hi-res textures* more than anything else. I'm having trouble thinking of other titles supporting DX10 that were any fun.

- and as i said they are lazy So D evs and i will NOT support them on the PC platform

You get to complain when YOU do something more productive than them in producing a DX10 title. Until then, you have no right to bitch.

Don't hold me back because i choose to game on a DX10 platform
- it is the present and the future

Obviously it's not the present, because you're bitching about the lack of it. That's your entire point in this thread. It may very well be the future, but please don't whine about being "held back"...you can't buy a decent performing graphics card today that doesn't have DX10 support. Developers aren't "holding you back" (you're an arrogant little something, aren't you?), they have no reason to invest man-hours in something that will not recoup its cost at retail.

I see this problem on this forum regularly - you think the development studios are out their to service your little gaming desires. They're not. They want to make money. That's why there's a thread in this forum every other week crying about how this or that formerly-PC-exclusive dev "sold out" to the dark side. The entire purpose of business is to sell out, you twits. That's how you make money.

Maybe your blind and can't tell the difference. You are the arrogant big something that tries to tell me what to enjoy and what not to

Yes, they ARE to cater to us ,, and if not fsck them
- i will buy a PC game where the devs are not lazy SoBs

you have no clue about business or serving customers whatsoever .. How do YOU make money?
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ja1484

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Maybe your blind and can't tell the difference. You are the arrogant big something that tries to tell me what to enjoy and what not to

Red herring. Quote where I told you to enjoy or not enjoy something. Show me where I commanded you to do so. As I recall, the only thing I encouraged anyone to do was to enjoy whatever they wanted from the option available.

Yes, they ARE to cater to us ,, and if not fsck them

No, they're to cater to the demographics that provide the majority of their revenue, which is currently console gamers. It pains me as much as anybody, because the PC certainly has more capability than any console ever will and thus is capable of supporting far more featured games.

However, and the PC "hardcore" crowd would do well to own up to this so they can get over it and move on with their lives, the furious pace of hardware requirements and the comparatively high cost of PC gaming relative to consoles turns off many potential buyers.

Feel free to quote that recent story where EA said they see the PC as "becoming the largest gaming platform in the world" in the near future. Then check which platforms the majority of their releases are targeted for. I'll believe their PR spew when their actions, which will always speak louder than words, back what they're saying.

- i will buy a PC game where the devs are not lazy SoBs

It's not about laziness and you know it, but you need something to complain about, don't you? The game didn't make itself. It's not a half-assed job - you can tell that from the production values evident in the trailer alone, and the fact that it got picked up by a major publishing house.

It takes a hell of a lot more effort to make a game with any API than complain about the games that are being made by others on an internet forum. Who's lazy now?

you have no clue about business or serving customers whatsoever .. How do YOU make money?
:roll:

No, you have the common misunderstanding of what customer service is in business. You think customer service is to bend over backwards to every whim of the customer, no matter how esoteric or unusual because that's what YOU want done. Unfortunately for you, most people are far more reasonable or far less invested in tiny meaningless details, which is why these "consolized" games made by "lazy" developers continue to be profitable franchises.

A well run business attracts exactly the kind of customers it wants to service, and actively discourages business from the kinds of customers they would prefer not to have.

Remember a few years back when Best Buy broke out their store demographics like "Barry", "Ray", and "Buzz"? I was a poor college student at the time working retail at a Best Buy during the summers to cover rent, and I can tell you, because I was told from internal management, that those demographic stores were VASTLY (up to 80% in many cases) more profitable than the "serve everyone" stores.

Best Buy is still doomed anyway, because their business model is broken and they are now relying on ignorance. Newegg can provide the same or better items for far less money because they don't have to shovel money into a multi-national brick and mortar furnace. It's only a matter of time before consumers become smart enough to notice and their profits go down the drain. But we digress.

As for me, I make money as a full time Physical Therapist in a small independent practice company with eight clinics in my state. I deal with 12 to 15 patients daily, one on one, as a service provider - and every patient care plan I design HAS to be entirely a custom job, by default. That's the nature of medical care. I also have to manage relationships between my clinic, my clinic staff, and our referral base consisting of dozens of physicians and worker's compensation case workers in our area. In college (before grad school) I worked in the retail industry. In high school I was employed nepotastically by my mother as she continued to build her own small business (also in a service industry - pet and home care, where people were trusting us to take care of their pets and be in their homes while they were away- often for weeks at a time) that was very successful for 15 years before she retired.

I've forgotten more about business and customer service than you've ever known. Please don't make childish statements in an attempt to hide that your arguments have no value. Sometimes people are smart enough to see past that bullshit.

Anything else you'd like to go over?

If you were a potential customer in a business I was running, you would be invited to receive your services elsewhere. I can tell by your "intarwebz disposition" that you, or at least the person you represent yourself as on here, would not be an asset as a customer but a liability.


Edit: And, as an afterthought, I apologize about being rather terse - but your unwillingness to discuss this on a logical basis and insistence on going "I want I want I want!" and banging your fists on the table has led me to respond in kind. Enjoy. I'll be out of town the next 4 days on - for once - pleasure, not business. I'll see you Monday.