Californians are supposed to pay for community college for illegal immigrants?

[oLLie]

Hello Politics and News,
I just read that this bill or proposition has been OK'd by Sacramento. Can someone give me some more information on this bill or proposition in general, and when it came about (I just heard about it)?

 

[Moonbeam]

What is it, like 11 dollars a unit. Seems like a good idea for the ferermers ta get an education, no, so they can pay higher taxes.

 

[kaizersose]

if they want a state sponsored education, they can wait in line to become a citizen like everyone else. doing otherwise would reward people for breaking the law and discourage legal immigration.

moony, $11/quarter is what the students pay, it has no relation to the actual cost of the education which is much higher.

 

[LunarRay]

What's another student or two in a class? What is the marginal cost of the next student to anyone?

 

[dahunan]

Tuition
Health Care
Food Stamps
Low income Food and Housing Assistance

What else should they get for free?

OH WELL.. They are ONLY 38 billion dollars in debt.. Open Up the Borders and give all your money away

 

[LunarRay]

None of it matters if they are striving to the American dream. First step is education. I admire an individual who seeks to better him or her self. The health care issue has to be seen, as does all the rest, on a marginal cost basis. What does it cost, in actual expense, for a little kid being seen by a MD? Once you determine the actual marginal cost of any thing one can then see the incremental cost is minor compared to the refusal of such service to a fellow human.

We always forget many of us have roots that came from another place. Now that we have ours we don't want anyone else to follow along because we might lose something to them.

Edit to correct last para

 

[dahunan]

Whatever happened to Paying into the system/Taxes that you are requesting free services from?

The American Dream will not exist if Immigration - Illegal and Legal is not reduced to a healthy level.

 

[Red Dawn]

n/m

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Tuition
Health Care
Food Stamps
Low income Food and Housing Assistance

What else should they get for free?

OH WELL.. They are ONLY 38 billion dollars in debt.. Open Up the Borders and give all your money away

I thought Georgia was nuts to consider giving Driver Licenses to illegal immigrants but just read that California has already done it.

The Law goes into affect Jan 1.

Illegals just have to show their Mexican Consular card and will be handed a California License. California has turned the Priviledge of driving into a right and not just a right for American Tax paying Citizens that pay for the roads and services but now Americans have to pay for illegals that now have a lot more than the right to drive in the U.S. but this will surely be the perverbial opening of a can of worms.

 

[Gaard]

What's a Mexican Consular card?

 

[Rockhound]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
None of it matters if they are striving to the American dream. First step is education. I admire an individual who seeks to better him or her self. The health care issue has to be seen, as does all the rest, on a marginal cost basis. What does it cost, in actual expense, for a little kid being seen by a MD? Once you determine the actual marginal cost of any thing one can then see the incremental cost is minor compared to the refusal of such service to a fellow human.

We always forget many of us have roots that came from another place. Now that we have ours we don't want anyone else to follow along because we might lose something to them.

Edit to correct last para

LunarRay you are so off base its sick. Sorry to inform you but my parents came to this country in the 50's and BECAME legal citizens just like everyone else should be doing. Its not that we don't want them to follow, its simply a case of them following the rules and the laws like others followed. I also admire individuals that want to educate themselves and live the American Dream, etc. That's what this country is all about. You have no argument there. But its in the way they are doing it. They are here illegally and want an education, let them pay for it out of their own pockets. Period. What's your next proposal, that we pay for everyone's education in Taiwan, Italy, Germany, etc.??

I love how you describe the cost of a little kid being seen by a MD. No, one little kid is not going to matter. 3 million illegals in California ARE!!! Multiply that out when you consider the cost. Its not the one, two, five or 20, its hundreds of thousands if not millions.

Your argument seems to have no boundaries. Hmmm, I could argue that the American dream is to become rich, retire and not have to work anymore, so what if I do it ripping everyone off including you right? Does Worldcom ring a bell? Enron? It was only a few executives trying to get rich. Not such a big deal in your terms now is it.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dahunan
Tuition
Health Care
Food Stamps
Low income Food and Housing Assistance

What else should they get for free?

OH WELL.. They are ONLY 38 billion dollars in debt.. Open Up the Borders and give all your money away

I thought Georgia was nuts to consider giving Driver Licenses to illegal immigrants but just read that California has already done it.

The Law goes into affect Jan 1.

Illegals just have to show their Mexican Consular card and will be handed a California License. California has turned the Priviledge of driving into a right and not just a right for American Tax paying Citizens that pay for the roads and services but now Americans have to pay for illegals that now have a lot more than the right to drive in the U.S. but this will surely be the perverbial opening of a can of worms.

Speaking of the Free Citizenship/Licenses CA is giving out

Look at the California DMV Website Prostituting themselves to the Illegals..

Attention: Wait until 2004
Legal Presence and SSN are still required until 1/2/2004.

The new law that goes into effect in January 2004 changes requirements for a driver license or identification card. Until 2004, anyone who applies for a driver license or identification card must still provide proof of legal presence. In 2004, call 1-800-777-0133 or visit DMV's website to make an appointment.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Rockhound

Originally posted by: LunarRay
None of it matters if they are striving to the American dream. First step is education. I admire an individual who seeks to better him or her self. The health care issue has to be seen, as does all the rest, on a marginal cost basis. What does it cost, in actual expense, for a little kid being seen by a MD? Once you determine the actual marginal cost of any thing one can then see the incremental cost is minor compared to the refusal of such service to a fellow human.

We always forget many of us have roots that came from another place. Now that we have ours we don't want anyone else to follow along because we might lose something to them.

Edit to correct last para

LunarRay you are so off base its sick. Sorry to inform you but my parents came to this country in the 50's and BECAME legal citizens just like everyone else should be doing. Its not that we don't want them to follow, its simply a case of them following the rules and the laws like others followed. I also admire individuals that want to educate themselves and live the American Dream, etc. That's what this country is all about. You have no argument there. But its in the way they are doing it. They are here illegally and want an education, let them pay for it out of their own pockets. Period. What's your next proposal, that we pay for everyone's education in Taiwan, Italy, Germany, etc.??

I love how you describe the cost of a little kid being seen by a MD. No, one little kid is not going to matter. 3 million illegals in California ARE!!! Multiply that out when you consider the cost. Its not the one, two, five or 20, its hundreds of thousands if not millions.

Your argument seems to have no boundaries. Hmmm, I could argue that the American dream is to become rich, retire and not have to work anymore, so what if I do it ripping everyone off including you right? Does Worldcom ring a bell? Enron? It was only a few executives trying to get rich. Not such a big deal in your terms now is it.

My argument (?) stems from an acceptance of reality. The reality I speak of is quite apparent. Our Legislatures and Congress make laws that seem to assume some factors that are not real. The Illegal Aliens are here and they will continue to be here so lets start with that reality.

Davis is jumped because our legislature created a proposal to give licenses to Illegal Aliens not because they are in Mexico or Korea but here and driving on our streets where our kids and grandkids play. They are uninsured and dangerous. Well license them and the process may cause some to insure and learn to drive properly. Our kids play with their kids and disease that can be transferred will be so treat them and if it is just a humane issue would you do less for a wild deer?

There will come a point in time, given our government seems not disposed to enact the measures to close the borders because of the impossibility of that and the cost would be staggering, that there'll be no incentive to come here. No work, no place to live and the like. The cost of the illegal versus keeping them out is a trade off, I suppose.

Perhaps, the Mexican feels the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (sp) back in 1848 or so was wrong... and they want California back and they've found a way to do it.. I don't know. What I do know is there are many reasons to help the Illegals become citizens and assimilate into society. For one they are people. For another they are here and we spend gazillions fighting a war for the same purpose across the world. Should this be seen that much differently? I think not!

But, I'd support any reasonable and humane way of effecting a change to the status quo that has been such for as long as I can remember. Red mentioned the Vietnamese who came here and Canada back in the 70's. I just say start any analysis based on the fact that they are here.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hehe, which of you god damned fisks asked the Indians if you could live here? You are all a bunch of worthless invaders.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Hehe, which of you god damned fisks asked the Indians if you could live here? You are all a bunch of worthless invaders.

We negotiated in good faith with the holders in due course.. Besides the Mexican lived here when the Aztec's ruled the roost...

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Hehe, which of you god damned fisks asked the Indians if you could live here? You are all a bunch of worthless invaders.

Maybe we should take away their Casinos and start Taxing them like the rest of America?

 

[Rockhound]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Rockhound

Originally posted by: LunarRay
None of it matters if they are striving to the American dream. First step is education. I admire an individual who seeks to better him or her self. The health care issue has to be seen, as does all the rest, on a marginal cost basis. What does it cost, in actual expense, for a little kid being seen by a MD? Once you determine the actual marginal cost of any thing one can then see the incremental cost is minor compared to the refusal of such service to a fellow human.

We always forget many of us have roots that came from another place. Now that we have ours we don't want anyone else to follow along because we might lose something to them.

Edit to correct last para

LunarRay you are so off base its sick. Sorry to inform you but my parents came to this country in the 50's and BECAME legal citizens just like everyone else should be doing. Its not that we don't want them to follow, its simply a case of them following the rules and the laws like others followed. I also admire individuals that want to educate themselves and live the American Dream, etc. That's what this country is all about. You have no argument there. But its in the way they are doing it. They are here illegally and want an education, let them pay for it out of their own pockets. Period. What's your next proposal, that we pay for everyone's education in Taiwan, Italy, Germany, etc.??

I love how you describe the cost of a little kid being seen by a MD. No, one little kid is not going to matter. 3 million illegals in California ARE!!! Multiply that out when you consider the cost. Its not the one, two, five or 20, its hundreds of thousands if not millions.

Your argument seems to have no boundaries. Hmmm, I could argue that the American dream is to become rich, retire and not have to work anymore, so what if I do it ripping everyone off including you right? Does Worldcom ring a bell? Enron? It was only a few executives trying to get rich. Not such a big deal in your terms now is it.

My argument (?) stems from an acceptance of reality. The reality I speak of is quite apparent. Our Legislatures and Congress make laws that seem to assume some factors that are not real. The Illegal Aliens are here and they will continue to be here so lets start with that reality.

Davis is jumped because our legislature created a proposal to give licenses to Illegal Aliens not because they are in Mexico or Korea but here and driving on our streets where our kids and grandkids play. They are uninsured and dangerous. Well license them and the process may cause some to insure and learn to drive properly. Our kids play with their kids and disease that can be transferred will be so treat them and if it is just a humane issue would you do less for a wild deer?

There will come a point in time, given our government seems not disposed to enact the measures to close the borders because of the impossibility of that and the cost would be staggering, that there'll be no incentive to come here. No work, no place to live and the like. The cost of the illegal versus keeping them out is a trade off, I suppose.

Perhaps, the Mexican feels the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (sp) back in 1848 or so was wrong... and they want California back and they've found a way to do it.. I don't know. What I do know is there are many reasons to help the Illegals become citizens and assimilate into society. For one they are people. For another they are here and we spend gazillions fighting a war for the same purpose across the world. Should this be seen that much differently? I think not!

But, I'd support any reasonable and humane way of effecting a change to the status quo that has been such for as long as I can remember. Red mentioned the Vietnamese who came here and Canada back in the 70's. I just say start any analysis based on the fact that they are here.

Yea, in in reality the illegals should not be here. They should be deported, but the problem is you have people like yourself who do not want to enforce the laws of this country. If they did, reality would be different now wouldn't it. The reality is that the US government should be repelling our borders, that is one of its prime duties. They should be using the US military to defend our borders against people who shouldn't be here in the first place.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rockhound

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Rockhound

Originally posted by: LunarRay
None of it matters if they are striving to the American dream. First step is education. I admire an individual who seeks to better him or her self. The health care issue has to be seen, as does all the rest, on a marginal cost basis. What does it cost, in actual expense, for a little kid being seen by a MD? Once you determine the actual marginal cost of any thing one can then see the incremental cost is minor compared to the refusal of such service to a fellow human.

We always forget many of us have roots that came from another place. Now that we have ours we don't want anyone else to follow along because we might lose something to them.

Edit to correct last para

LunarRay you are so off base its sick. Sorry to inform you but my parents came to this country in the 50's and BECAME legal citizens just like everyone else should be doing. Its not that we don't want them to follow, its simply a case of them following the rules and the laws like others followed. I also admire individuals that want to educate themselves and live the American Dream, etc. That's what this country is all about. You have no argument there. But its in the way they are doing it. They are here illegally and want an education, let them pay for it out of their own pockets. Period. What's your next proposal, that we pay for everyone's education in Taiwan, Italy, Germany, etc.??

I love how you describe the cost of a little kid being seen by a MD. No, one little kid is not going to matter. 3 million illegals in California ARE!!! Multiply that out when you consider the cost. Its not the one, two, five or 20, its hundreds of thousands if not millions.

Your argument seems to have no boundaries. Hmmm, I could argue that the American dream is to become rich, retire and not have to work anymore, so what if I do it ripping everyone off including you right? Does Worldcom ring a bell? Enron? It was only a few executives trying to get rich. Not such a big deal in your terms now is it.

My argument (?) stems from an acceptance of reality. The reality I speak of is quite apparent. Our Legislatures and Congress make laws that seem to assume some factors that are not real. The Illegal Aliens are here and they will continue to be here so lets start with that reality.

Davis is jumped because our legislature created a proposal to give licenses to Illegal Aliens not because they are in Mexico or Korea but here and driving on our streets where our kids and grandkids play. They are uninsured and dangerous. Well license them and the process may cause some to insure and learn to drive properly. Our kids play with their kids and disease that can be transferred will be so treat them and if it is just a humane issue would you do less for a wild deer?

There will come a point in time, given our government seems not disposed to enact the measures to close the borders because of the impossibility of that and the cost would be staggering, that there'll be no incentive to come here. No work, no place to live and the like. The cost of the illegal versus keeping them out is a trade off, I suppose.

Perhaps, the Mexican feels the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (sp) back in 1848 or so was wrong... and they want California back and they've found a way to do it.. I don't know. What I do know is there are many reasons to help the Illegals become citizens and assimilate into society. For one they are people. For another they are here and we spend gazillions fighting a war for the same purpose across the world. Should this be seen that much differently? I think not!

But, I'd support any reasonable and humane way of effecting a change to the status quo that has been such for as long as I can remember. Red mentioned the Vietnamese who came here and Canada back in the 70's. I just say start any analysis based on the fact that they are here.

Yea, in in reality the illegals should not be here. They should be deported, but the problem is you have people like yourself who do not want to enforce the laws of this country. If they did, reality would be different now wouldn't it. The reality is that the US government should be repelling our borders, that is one of its prime duties. They should be using the US military to defend our borders against people who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Get real. The only reason we don't deport Illegals is because they are making a fortune for Republican owned businesses.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rockhound

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Rockhound

Originally posted by: LunarRay
None of it matters if they are striving to the American dream. First step is education. I admire an individual who seeks to better him or her self. The health care issue has to be seen, as does all the rest, on a marginal cost basis. What does it cost, in actual expense, for a little kid being seen by a MD? Once you determine the actual marginal cost of any thing one can then see the incremental cost is minor compared to the refusal of such service to a fellow human.

We always forget many of us have roots that came from another place. Now that we have ours we don't want anyone else to follow along because we might lose something to them.

Edit to correct last para

LunarRay you are so off base its sick. Sorry to inform you but my parents came to this country in the 50's and BECAME legal citizens just like everyone else should be doing. Its not that we don't want them to follow, its simply a case of them following the rules and the laws like others followed. I also admire individuals that want to educate themselves and live the American Dream, etc. That's what this country is all about. You have no argument there. But its in the way they are doing it. They are here illegally and want an education, let them pay for it out of their own pockets. Period. What's your next proposal, that we pay for everyone's education in Taiwan, Italy, Germany, etc.??

I love how you describe the cost of a little kid being seen by a MD. No, one little kid is not going to matter. 3 million illegals in California ARE!!! Multiply that out when you consider the cost. Its not the one, two, five or 20, its hundreds of thousands if not millions.

Your argument seems to have no boundaries. Hmmm, I could argue that the American dream is to become rich, retire and not have to work anymore, so what if I do it ripping everyone off including you right? Does Worldcom ring a bell? Enron? It was only a few executives trying to get rich. Not such a big deal in your terms now is it.

My argument (?) stems from an acceptance of reality. The reality I speak of is quite apparent. Our Legislatures and Congress make laws that seem to assume some factors that are not real. The Illegal Aliens are here and they will continue to be here so lets start with that reality.

Davis is jumped because our legislature created a proposal to give licenses to Illegal Aliens not because they are in Mexico or Korea but here and driving on our streets where our kids and grandkids play. They are uninsured and dangerous. Well license them and the process may cause some to insure and learn to drive properly. Our kids play with their kids and disease that can be transferred will be so treat them and if it is just a humane issue would you do less for a wild deer?

There will come a point in time, given our government seems not disposed to enact the measures to close the borders because of the impossibility of that and the cost would be staggering, that there'll be no incentive to come here. No work, no place to live and the like. The cost of the illegal versus keeping them out is a trade off, I suppose.

Perhaps, the Mexican feels the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (sp) back in 1848 or so was wrong... and they want California back and they've found a way to do it.. I don't know. What I do know is there are many reasons to help the Illegals become citizens and assimilate into society. For one they are people. For another they are here and we spend gazillions fighting a war for the same purpose across the world. Should this be seen that much differently? I think not!

But, I'd support any reasonable and humane way of effecting a change to the status quo that has been such for as long as I can remember. Red mentioned the Vietnamese who came here and Canada back in the 70's. I just say start any analysis based on the fact that they are here.

Yea, in in reality the illegals should not be here. They should be deported, but the problem is you have people like yourself who do not want to enforce the laws of this country. If they did, reality would be different now wouldn't it. The reality is that the US government should be repelling our borders, that is one of its prime duties. They should be using the US military to defend our borders against people who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Get real. The only reason we don't deport Illegals is because they are making a fortune for Republican owned businesses.

Also, Democrats know that Illegals and their Children will vote for democrats

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rockhound

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Rockhound

Originally posted by: LunarRay
None of it matters if they are striving to the American dream. First step is education. I admire an individual who seeks to better him or her self. The health care issue has to be seen, as does all the rest, on a marginal cost basis. What does it cost, in actual expense, for a little kid being seen by a MD? Once you determine the actual marginal cost of any thing one can then see the incremental cost is minor compared to the refusal of such service to a fellow human.

We always forget many of us have roots that came from another place. Now that we have ours we don't want anyone else to follow along because we might lose something to them.

Edit to correct last para

LunarRay you are so off base its sick. Sorry to inform you but my parents came to this country in the 50's and BECAME legal citizens just like everyone else should be doing. Its not that we don't want them to follow, its simply a case of them following the rules and the laws like others followed. I also admire individuals that want to educate themselves and live the American Dream, etc. That's what this country is all about. You have no argument there. But its in the way they are doing it. They are here illegally and want an education, let them pay for it out of their own pockets. Period. What's your next proposal, that we pay for everyone's education in Taiwan, Italy, Germany, etc.??

I love how you describe the cost of a little kid being seen by a MD. No, one little kid is not going to matter. 3 million illegals in California ARE!!! Multiply that out when you consider the cost. Its not the one, two, five or 20, its hundreds of thousands if not millions.

Your argument seems to have no boundaries. Hmmm, I could argue that the American dream is to become rich, retire and not have to work anymore, so what if I do it ripping everyone off including you right? Does Worldcom ring a bell? Enron? It was only a few executives trying to get rich. Not such a big deal in your terms now is it.

My argument (?) stems from an acceptance of reality. The reality I speak of is quite apparent. Our Legislatures and Congress make laws that seem to assume some factors that are not real. The Illegal Aliens are here and they will continue to be here so lets start with that reality.

Davis is jumped because our legislature created a proposal to give licenses to Illegal Aliens not because they are in Mexico or Korea but here and driving on our streets where our kids and grandkids play. They are uninsured and dangerous. Well license them and the process may cause some to insure and learn to drive properly. Our kids play with their kids and disease that can be transferred will be so treat them and if it is just a humane issue would you do less for a wild deer?

There will come a point in time, given our government seems not disposed to enact the measures to close the borders because of the impossibility of that and the cost would be staggering, that there'll be no incentive to come here. No work, no place to live and the like. The cost of the illegal versus keeping them out is a trade off, I suppose.

Perhaps, the Mexican feels the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (sp) back in 1848 or so was wrong... and they want California back and they've found a way to do it.. I don't know. What I do know is there are many reasons to help the Illegals become citizens and assimilate into society. For one they are people. For another they are here and we spend gazillions fighting a war for the same purpose across the world. Should this be seen that much differently? I think not!

But, I'd support any reasonable and humane way of effecting a change to the status quo that has been such for as long as I can remember. Red mentioned the Vietnamese who came here and Canada back in the 70's. I just say start any analysis based on the fact that they are here.

Yea, in in reality the illegals should not be here. They should be deported, but the problem is you have people like yourself who do not want to enforce the laws of this country. If they did, reality would be different now wouldn't it. The reality is that the US government should be repelling our borders, that is one of its prime duties. They should be using the US military to defend our borders against people who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Get real. The only reason we don't deport Illegals is because they are making a fortune for Republican owned businesses.

Also, Democrats know that Illegals and their Children will vote for democrats

Legal's children will too, but when did illegals start voting?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
None of it matters if they are striving to the American dream. First step is education. I admire an individual who seeks to better him or her self. The health care issue has to be seen, as does all the rest, on a marginal cost basis. What does it cost, in actual expense, for a little kid being seen by a MD? Once you determine the actual marginal cost of any thing one can then see the incremental cost is minor compared to the refusal of such service to a fellow human.

We always forget many of us have roots that came from another place. Now that we have ours we don't want anyone else to follow along because we might lose something to them.

Edit to correct last para

Fsck off and die. You want criminals to receive this care, pay for it yourself.

And my ancestors came to this country legally. And when they did come to this country, they didn't try to steal a handout from everyone else, they made it on their own. People like you make me sick, with your sweet talk while you pick everyone's pockets. If I met you in real life...

 

[oLLie]

I didn't mean to start a flame thread, I was really only looking for a link or something so I could read up on it more. LunarRay and Moonbeam ,you guys need to realize the distinction between the idealistic utopia in your head and the realities of the world we live in. California is in massive debt and you are fully supporting adding onto this problem by adding more social programs. Where do you propose the money for these programs should come from?

Moonbeam: Legal's children will too, but when did illegals start voting?

Well, he did mention their children you know... (I'm assuming he meant their children who are born here).

 

[heartsurgeon]

marginal cost of any thing one can then see the incremental cost is minor compared to the refusal of such service to a fellow human.

particularly true if your not footing the bill!

wake up..you can't save the world

how about this..we make all students sign a contract obligating themselves to pay a certain percent of their future income (hey! finally a tax that i like!)
to pay for their college costs....

let the flames begin (from all you liberal, no income tax paying, do gooders)

 

[LunarRay]

Rockhound said:
Yea, in in reality the illegals should not be here. They should be deported, but the problem is you have people like yourself who do not want to enforce the laws of this country. If they did, reality would be different now wouldn't it. The reality is that the US government should be repelling our borders, that is one of its prime duties. They should be using the US military to defend our borders against people who shouldn't be here in the first place.

**********************

It is good to know what one thinks. I think I said in an earlier post in this thread the following:

"But, I'd support any reasonable and humane way of effecting a change to the status quo that has been such for as long as I can remember. Red mentioned the Vietnamese who came here and Canada back in the 70's. I just say start any analysis based on the fact that they are here"

If you can convince the Border Patrol that they need doing their job and that there are many, many, many more Illegals already here having babies and the babies are citizens with all the rights of any other citizen (according to my understanding) So if the baby is a citizen and you deport the mommy then in my opinion that is inhumane.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: LunarRay
None of it matters if they are striving to the American dream. First step is education. I admire an individual who seeks to better him or her self. The health care issue has to be seen, as does all the rest, on a marginal cost basis. What does it cost, in actual expense, for a little kid being seen by a MD? Once you determine the actual marginal cost of any thing one can then see the incremental cost is minor compared to the refusal of such service to a fellow human.

We always forget many of us have roots that came from another place. Now that we have ours we don't want anyone else to follow along because we might lose something to them.

Edit to correct last para

Fsck off and die. You want criminals to receive this care, pay for it yourself.

And my ancestors came to this country legally. And when they did come to this country, they didn't try to steal a handout from everyone else, they made it on their own. People like you make me sick, with your sweet talk while you pick everyone's pockets. If I met you in real life...

How do you propose to solve the issue of Illegal Aliens who live here and the children born to them that are citizens?

No need to be less that cordial, I'm not. Besides, if you met me in real life you'd probably like me as I'm sure I'd like you..