California unemployment to 10.1%

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

You're stupid and you act like you're 12 years old. Shut up and stop posting as you contribute nothing.

Perhaps you should stop with the personal attacks and asking for people to get banned.

Why? You're deserving of both.

Because it makes you look like a whiney little girl who can't discuss her point and has to rely on name calling and crying for help from an "authority figure".

just get it over with and get yourself banned already

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: winnar111
Liberals have destroyed the great state of Reagan.

Wow, what a whopper, that the war criminal who had nuns raped and murdered (through the forces he supported) and put the nation into record peacetime debt among many other screwups, had a 'great state', much less one 'ruined' by liberals, unless you mean Clinton 'ruined' his deficits by getting rid of them. Who are the mysterious liberals you speak of - was it Bush 41? Bush 43? Or Clinton who had the administration of peace, prosperity, and too many compromises with the party of Reagan?

No, that would be the Reagan that won the Cold War and rescued us from the Carter recession. The liberals would be the Governator and his predecessors and all those California state reps that pumped up the welfare and healthcare industries at the cost of business.

And the most amusing part? Your hero's year 1 deficit of $1.75 trillion beats either of Reagan's entire terms.

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

As for babylon5, I live in San Diego, the third largest city in the state... and I live right in the actual city area. To get to work I would have to drive on the 8 and the 163, both major highways that go through all the most populous areas. My drive of about 15 miles to work took me about 20-something minutes all put together.

I sympathize with you living in LA though, that city is a shit hole. Everyone down here in San Diego cringes when someone mentions it. San Francisco is one of the most amazing cities on the planet though, I hope to move there someday.

EDIT: Oh, and about the UC system. the state actually pays a comparatively small fraction of the UC operating budget. (about $3 billion out of a $15 billion budget) While the budget cuts from the state certainly don't help, the UC system isn't going to go down because of it.

You got a pretty short commute. Even my family drive local to their work, and it takes them 20 mins. I have to take freeway like most people here, and everyday is traffic jam pretty much.

I know people live in San Diego, most place there seem pretty nice, close to beach. If it weren't for my job, I would have moved out of L.A. a long time ago. But I'd definitely move in long term...don't plan to spend the rest of my life here. LA is pretty shitty already...you pretty much live on the freeway if you want to go places. I live in so-called safer area, but bad neighborhoods aren't that far either, and I know several people's houses got broken into and got robbed. Honestly I don't feel too safe living here sometimes.

I haven't been to S.F. much, I wonder how bad the traffic is there, since it was on the top ten list of traffic congestion in the nation. And it seems to be expensive living in S.F. from what I heard.

For UC system, if you're a freshmen trying to get in now, it'd cost way more (compare to before), and smaller admission numbers...at least I don't have to deal with this since I don't need college anymore, but sucks for those who want to get higher education now with money crisis here.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: glenn1

The reason it's so "desireable" is because "creative class" liberal yuppies are willing to pay a huge premium to live in an area with a lot of people like themselves (e.g. San Francisco, Portland OR, Madison WI, Boston MA, etc). It's a lifestyle premium, not really so much one of geography or any of the other reasons you might cite. There's plenty of places out there with as many if not more advantages than CA (whether it be natural beauty or anything else), and it's amazingly parochial, chauvanistic, and small-minded of you to believe CA is the utmost of anything.

As far as moving to AR if you can't "cut it" in CA - having lived in Monterey CA for 4 years, I can say it's nice, but not so nice that it's worth the completely crazy costs and trade-offs involved. I can, have, and currently do live a hugely better lifestyle in almost anywhere else of the other 99% of the country that aren't liberal meccas. Bigger house, lower taxes, more disposable income to travel, better schools - in almost every metric I'm better off than I was in CA. It's fine for those that want to be a wage slave for the status symbol of a California address, but don't kid yourself in thinking you have it better than the rest of us.

I have to tease you that one of the advantages you claim for your non-CA location is the ability to travel more (away from it).

Different people have different interests, and I think you represent one type of interests who value the CA location as much as others, though you value some.

Thank goodness for that diversity, or we'd have bigger problems with everyone crowding a few places.

While I try to avoid bias generally, on this, I have some - I'm a native Californian and part of my preference for it is that bias, while other parts are more substantive.

I've visited most of the country, and can say while I enjoy seeing many places - I enjoy something about almost all of them, except possibly places like the industrial areas of New Jersey or the almost endless farmlands in some states - but for me, I always feel like I'm 'away from something' hard to describe when I'm out of CA. Some others don't feel the same.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: glenn1

The reason it's so "desireable" is because "creative class" liberal yuppies are willing to pay a huge premium to live in an area with a lot of people like themselves (e.g. San Francisco, Portland OR, Madison WI, Boston MA, etc). It's a lifestyle premium, not really so much one of geography or any of the other reasons you might cite. There's plenty of places out there with as many if not more advantages than CA (whether it be natural beauty or anything else), and it's amazingly parochial, chauvanistic, and small-minded of you to believe CA is the utmost of anything.

As far as moving to AR if you can't "cut it" in CA - having lived in Monterey CA for 4 years, I can say it's nice, but not so nice that it's worth the completely crazy costs and trade-offs involved. I can, have, and currently do live a hugely better lifestyle in almost anywhere else of the other 99% of the country that aren't liberal meccas. Bigger house, lower taxes, more disposable income to travel, better schools - in almost every metric I'm better off than I was in CA. It's fine for those that want to be a wage slave for the status symbol of a California address, but don't kid yourself in thinking you have it better than the rest of us.

I have to tease you that one of the advantages you claim for your non-CA location is the ability to travel more (away from it).

Different people have different interests, and I think you represent one type of interests who value the CA location as much as others, though you value some.

Thank goodness for that diversity, or we'd have bigger problems with everyone crowding a few places.

While I try to avoid bias generally, on this, I have some - I'm a native Californian and part of my preference for it is that bias, while other parts are more substantive.

I've visited most of the country, and can say while I enjoy seeing many places - I enjoy something about almost all of them, except possibly places like the industrial areas of New Jersey or the almost endless farmlands in some states - but for me, I always feel like I'm 'away from something' hard to describe when I'm out of CA. Some others don't feel the same.

Ca is a great place to live if you can afford it but those who live on Trailer Parks in N.Carolina might like their lifestyle and think it's better.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: eskimospy

As for babylon5, I live in San Diego, the third largest city in the state... and I live right in the actual city area. To get to work I would have to drive on the 8 and the 163, both major highways that go through all the most populous areas. My drive of about 15 miles to work took me about 20-something minutes all put together.

I sympathize with you living in LA though, that city is a shit hole. Everyone down here in San Diego cringes when someone mentions it. San Francisco is one of the most amazing cities on the planet though, I hope to move there someday.

EDIT: Oh, and about the UC system. the state actually pays a comparatively small fraction of the UC operating budget. (about $3 billion out of a $15 billion budget) While the budget cuts from the state certainly don't help, the UC system isn't going to go down because of it.

You got a pretty short commute. Even my family drive local to their work, and it takes them 20 mins. I have to take freeway like most people here, and everyday is traffic jam pretty much.

I know people live in San Diego, most place there seem pretty nice, close to beach. If it weren't for my job, I would have moved out of L.A. a long time ago. But I'd definitely move in long term...don't plan to spend the rest of my life here. LA is pretty shitty already...you pretty much live on the freeway if you want to go places. I live in so-called safer area, but bad neighborhoods aren't that far either, and I know several people's houses got broken into and got robbed. Honestly I don't feel too safe living here sometimes.

I haven't been to S.F. much, I wonder how bad the traffic is there, since it was on the top ten list of traffic congestion in the nation. And it seems to be expensive living in S.F. from what I heard.

For UC system, if you're a freshmen trying to get in now, it'd cost way more (compare to before), and smaller admission numbers...at least I don't have to deal with this since I don't need college anymore, but sucks for those who want to get higher education now with money crisis here.

San Francisco has bad traffic, but it also has BART which is pretty damn good so you don't have to drive. The city itself is just one of the most beautiful areas on earth, the culture there is amazing, and while the cost of living is high the area has a per capita income of about $73,000. From a purely practical standpoint it's always better to live in an expensive area where you make a lot of money than a cheap one where you don't.

 

[AAjax]

If you count the Illegal population Id guess its closer to 20-25%.

 

[filetitan]

I live in LA, family and I are strongly considering leaving California for variety of reasons.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: eskimospy

As for babylon5, I live in San Diego, the third largest city in the state... and I live right in the actual city area. To get to work I would have to drive on the 8 and the 163, both major highways that go through all the most populous areas. My drive of about 15 miles to work took me about 20-something minutes all put together.

I sympathize with you living in LA though, that city is a shit hole. Everyone down here in San Diego cringes when someone mentions it. San Francisco is one of the most amazing cities on the planet though, I hope to move there someday.

EDIT: Oh, and about the UC system. the state actually pays a comparatively small fraction of the UC operating budget. (about $3 billion out of a $15 billion budget) While the budget cuts from the state certainly don't help, the UC system isn't going to go down because of it.

You got a pretty short commute. Even my family drive local to their work, and it takes them 20 mins. I have to take freeway like most people here, and everyday is traffic jam pretty much.

I know people live in San Diego, most place there seem pretty nice, close to beach. If it weren't for my job, I would have moved out of L.A. a long time ago. But I'd definitely move in long term...don't plan to spend the rest of my life here. LA is pretty shitty already...you pretty much live on the freeway if you want to go places. I live in so-called safer area, but bad neighborhoods aren't that far either, and I know several people's houses got broken into and got robbed. Honestly I don't feel too safe living here sometimes.

I haven't been to S.F. much, I wonder how bad the traffic is there, since it was on the top ten list of traffic congestion in the nation. And it seems to be expensive living in S.F. from what I heard.

For UC system, if you're a freshmen trying to get in now, it'd cost way more (compare to before), and smaller admission numbers...at least I don't have to deal with this since I don't need college anymore, but sucks for those who want to get higher education now with money crisis here.

I live in SF. San Francisco is LA minus the living space ( Nothing like living on a "nice" block that is 1 block away from a crack infested and gang run "Hells kitchen" and paying 3x what you would pay for a home/apartment outside of San Fransisco), minus the fake LA attitude of snobbery which is a plus IMHO. Surprisingly there are a lot of ex-New Yorkers here who don't mind telling you to Fuck Off. God Bless New Yorkers! Seriously I love their honesty above all the BS you see happening in SF.

Also San Francisco has way to many activist. Most of whom don't live in San Francisco or are living here temporarily until they grow up and want to raise family yet somehow they know what is best for the permanent residents here. We also have way to many homeless people who think crapping on your door step is their right. If you just want to spend your youth in a city that has a lot to do and a active night life then SF is fine I guess. Of course if you want to raise a family then stay in the South Bay, North or East bay (Mainly anywhere 20 miles away from Oakland or Richmond.). Oh and MUNI sucks ass! BART is okay I guess but god did I hate riding on Muni when I was a kid. Crappy bus drivers who have a false sense of entitlement along with the rest of the dregs of society crammed together with people who just want to get to school/work on time and in one piece.

Edit: Yeah the luster of SF is wearing thin on me. I used to love this city but it is declining big time. Oaklandifcation of San Francisco is starting grow with each day.

 

[babylon5]

LA minus the space...if that is the trade off, I want something good for it lol...but like you said it's got its own problem. I have seen various documentary about the homeless problem in San Francisco....so, overall S.F. seems kind of like LA with the same sort of problems, but just cost more...damn!!

I have traveled to S.F. before, it seem alright, but not sure it really is my cup of tea either. Like you said, maybe it's fun when you first arrived, but the luster wore out as time passed. When I am ready to move, it's very likely I will look outside of California (maybe even beyond)...because I just don't see quality of life will get better over long term with all the problems the state has.

 

[Zebo]

nm

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Drift3r


Edit: Yeah the luster of SF is wearing thin on me. I used to love this city but it is declining big time. Oaklandifcation of San Francisco is starting grow with each day.

It is still a great place for kids and families, but the way you describe it the whole city sounds like you are hanging out on turk and eddy.

Granted yes, the TL is not a good place to raise kids (although many do and the kids turn out fine if not smarter then suburban kids when they become adults) but give me a break, you are saying Sunset district or the presidio is ghetto one block away?

Sorry, you just do not sound like someone living in the city, at least not the San Francisco I know in California, you a actual native?

And what is wrong with the Muni drivers? You don't like them, don't talk to them, they are probably to busy to talk to you anyhow.

Personally, I would rather family raising types stay in the historically residential areas anyhow, warehouse nightlife and drunken people wandering around all night partying does get old if you are stuck with a dayjob and kids.

But there is plenty of room for all still on even this tiny peninsula.

Edit: This is NOT an endorsement to pack up and move to SF, I was speaking of current residents, last thing we need are more folks coming here cramping the city with their cars and "drive through strip mall box store" mindset.

Please, just go back to thinking SF is a foreign country where we do perverse gay things in the streets while holding communist rallys until the Republicans inevitably carpet bomb.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Drift3r


Edit: Yeah the luster of SF is wearing thin on me. I used to love this city but it is declining big time. Oaklandifcation of San Francisco is starting grow with each day.

It is still a great place for kids and families, but the way you describe it the whole city sounds like you are hanging out on turk and eddy.

I stated that the Sunset would probably be the best place to live IF any would be person looking to move to SF could afford to live there in a meaningful way. Homes in the Sunset area and the Persido are not exactly affordable to your average individual. For the price of 3 bed 1 bath home in the Sunset a person could buy a much larger home outside of San Francisco for about half the price. San Francisco has a housing problem in that there are not many affordable options available to those who don't like living near a hot bed of drug dealing just one block away.

Granted yes, the TL is not a good place to raise kids (although many do and the kids turn out fine if not smarter then suburban kids when they become adults) but give me a break,

This is just insane logic. No one who loves their children would raise them in the TL if they could pick anywhere to live in San Francisco. The TL is nothing but a pure shit hole of neighborhood with rampant drug dealings, shootings, etc... The people living in the TL with kids are only doing so because they cannot afford to live anywhere else and that especially includes the Sunset. Hell even the Mission is a better option to raise a kid.

you are saying Sunset district or the presidio is ghetto one block away?

No you are the one saying that. Don't put words in my mouth please because it makes you appear disingenuous.

Sorry, you just do not sound like someone living in the city, at least not the San Francisco I know in California, you a actual native?

I was raised in the Mission around the 24th area. Of course if anyone sounds like a out of town transplant it's you. Seriously you sound like someone who just moved into San Francisco or spent their entire life sheltered in the Sunset.

And what is wrong with the Muni drivers? You don't like them, don't talk to them, they are probably to busy to talk to you anyhow.

Where should I start? Muni bus drivers are notorious for their attitudes. Of course if you ever ridden Muni for any extended period of time you'd know this already. There is nothing like riding the 14 Muni line and having a bus driver blow past your stop and when you tell them you want out at the nearest red light they tell you to fuck off. Which means you get to enjoy the marker fumes from the taggers for another 2-3 blocks and then have to walk back to where you initially wanted to get off in the first place. Here I'll provide you with a nice video to enjoy the bliss of Muni.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/sto...=news/iteam&id=5928260

Personally, I would rather family raising types stay in the historically residential areas anyhow,

Hey your kids are welcome to hang out at the Bart Station on 24th or at 16th and Mission. Just make sure they wear the right colors because my Norteno friends and Sureno neighbors would be upset if they pulled a fashion fopa and wore the wrong colors for the respective locations. Again the Sunset is a nice place to raise kids but its wee bit high priced for the majority of San Franciscans and most of the neighborhoods with affordable options tend to have "issues" like crime, gangs, and drug dealing, etc.... or are equally high priced like the Sunset.

warehouse nightlife and drunken people wandering around all night partying does get old if you are stuck with a dayjob and kids.

Or if you have to live near them because you can't afford to pay 1600 - 2000 a month for that 1 bed, 1 bath, closet in the nice part of town. Being that SF is rent controlled the good spots are usually taken by lifers.

But there is plenty of room for all still on even this tiny peninsula.

WRONG! The single biggest issue San Francisco faces is affordable housing and its been a long standing problem. The city is only 7 miles by 7 miles in size but it has a population approaching 1 million people fitting into this area.

Edit: This is NOT an endorsement to pack up and move to SF, I was speaking of current residents, last thing we need are more folks coming here cramping the city with their cars and "drive through strip mall box store" mindset.

::yuppie hipster:: for => I rather deny jobs to minorities in the city because I rather be cool and hip by sticking it to the "Man" so I can buy over priced $400 jeans in a trendy boutique when I go slumming it on Valencia Street from time to time.

Please, just go back to thinking SF is a foreign country where we do perverse gay things in the streets while holding communist rallys until the Republicans inevitably carpet bomb.

When you move out to raise your kids let us know.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: Drift3r


Edit: Yeah the luster of SF is wearing thin on me. I used to love this city but it is declining big time. Oaklandifcation of San Francisco is starting grow with each day.

It is still a great place for kids and families, but the way you describe it the whole city sounds like you are hanging out on turk and eddy.

I stated that the Sunset would probably be the best place to live IF any would be person looking to move to SF could afford to live there in a meaningful way. Homes in the Sunset area and the Persido are not exactly affordable to your average individual. For the price of 3 bed 1 bath home in the Sunset a person could buy a much larger home outside of San Francisco for about half the price. San Francisco has a housing problem in that there are not many affordable options available to those who don't like living near a hot bed of drug dealing just one block away.

Granted yes, the TL is not a good place to raise kids (although many do and the kids turn out fine if not smarter then suburban kids when they become adults) but give me a break,

This is just insane logic. No one who loves their children would raise them in the TL if they could pick anywhere to live in San Francisco. The TL is nothing but a pure shit hole of neighborhood with rampant drug dealings, shootings, etc... The people living in the TL with kids are only doing so because they cannot afford to live anywhere else and that especially includes the Sunset. Hell even the Mission is a better option to raise a kid.

you are saying Sunset district or the presidio is ghetto one block away?

No you are the one saying that. Don't put words in my mouth please because it makes you appear disingenuous.

Sorry, you just do not sound like someone living in the city, at least not the San Francisco I know in California, you a actual native?

I was raised in the Mission around the 24th area. Of course if anyone sounds like a out of town transplant it's you. Seriously you sound like someone who just moved into San Francisco or spent their entire life sheltered in the Sunset.

And what is wrong with the Muni drivers? You don't like them, don't talk to them, they are probably to busy to talk to you anyhow.

Where should I start? Muni bus drivers are notorious for their attitudes. Of course if you ever ridden Muni for any extended period of time you'd know this already. There is nothing like riding the 14 Muni line and having a bus driver blow past your stop and when you tell them you want out at the nearest red light they tell you to fuck off. Which means you get to enjoy the marker fumes from the taggers for another 2-3 blocks and then have to walk back to where you initially wanted to get off in the first place. Here I'll provide you with a nice video to enjoy the bliss of Muni.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/sto...=news/iteam&id=5928260

Personally, I would rather family raising types stay in the historically residential areas anyhow,

Hey your kids are welcome to hang out at the Bart Station on 24th or at 16th and Mission. Just make sure they wear the right colors because my Norteno friends and Sureno neighbors would be upset if they pulled a fashion fopa and wore the wrong colors for the respective locations. Again the Sunset is a nice place to raise kids but its wee bit high priced for the majority of San Franciscans and most of the neighborhoods with affordable options tend to have "issues" like crime, gangs, and drug dealing, etc.... or are equally high priced like the Sunset.

warehouse nightlife and drunken people wandering around all night partying does get old if you are stuck with a dayjob and kids.

Or if you have to live near them because you can't afford to pay 1600 - 2000 a month for that 1 bed, 1 bath, closet in the nice part of town. Being that SF is rent controlled the good spots are usually taken by lifers.

But there is plenty of room for all still on even this tiny peninsula.

WRONG! The single biggest issue San Francisco faces is affordable housing and its been a long standing problem. The city is only 7 miles by 7 miles in size but it has a population approaching 1 million people fitting into this area.

Edit: This is NOT an endorsement to pack up and move to SF, I was speaking of current residents, last thing we need are more folks coming here cramping the city with their cars and "drive through strip mall box store" mindset.

::yuppie hipster:: for => I rather deny jobs to minorities in the city because I rather be cool and hip by sticking it to the "Man" so I can buy over priced $400 jeans in a trendy boutique when I go slumming it on Valencia Street from time to time.

Please, just go back to thinking SF is a foreign country where we do perverse gay things in the streets while holding communist rallys until the Republicans inevitably carpet bomb.

When you move out to raise your kids let us know.

None of these apply to me and I have quite a few friends who raise kids in the TL just fine. Do not let the door hit you in the ass on the way out to Fremont or whatever if you cannot hang.

Places are not that expensive, I have a friend who I am helping look for a place and the expensive place we are looking at is a large 3 bedroom flat for 2100 with backyard/roof access etc. In a non-crackhead area of SOMA but still close to places to go out/shopping is walking distance the bus lines are all close etc..
I guess the Presidio or Sunset (which I have never lived in) would be ok, but that involves getting a car, why would you want a car in the city? You might as well move to the real suburbs and pay less rent and still have to drive.

And yes, I was born in General, raised in the Lower Haight (FillMOre), another area a bit rough but people do just fine raising families. Pull the stick from your ass.

And the MUNI thing, sorry you had a crappy bus driver, it happens. I know how crap the 14 is, but not all MUNI lines are the 14, the 14 is the longest route in SF, the route has some rough areas too, as we both know, and thus 14 drivers put up with more sh1t then others, it happens.
14 is not a example of all MUNI routes, MUNI for me is almost always on time, drivers are cool (even if you do not have fare that day) and helpful when I need directions.

When I need to go out to the Mission I walk over to Market and take the BART, the 14 sucks balls and it has BART tunnel right underneath that is much cleaner and MUCH faster..Fastpass FTW

Maybe you need a break from the Mission? Plenty of other great places instead of running.

And BTW, if I had kids I would raise them right here, as I would not want them to grow up sheltered, ignorant and self-absorbed like I see kids acting from suburbs.

It's a rough world, the sooner you are cool with it the better you will get along in life.

 

[Drift3r]

If you enjoy dysfunctional situations and neighborhoods and feel the need to defend them then that's fine. If it makes you feel hip, trendy and gives you a sense of "street cred" well good for you. If you think that exposing kids to street life is okay well then I think you are flat out wrong. I've seen more then my share of dysfunctional situations and frankly drive bys, gang beatings, drug dealing, homeless drug addicts crapping and pissing all over the place, used heroin needles in local parks etc.. all get old fast. San Francisco may have its nice trendy touristy areas but the truth is the bad areas of this city do overlap into some of the "nice places". Then you add in the small and vocal group of professional activists in SF and the Bay Area in general protesting everything under the sun and then people wonder way places like Bayshore Blvd or Valencia street are full of an ever increasing amount of vacant buildings. Of course everything is rosy in this SF including the homeless turds. Here hoping you get stuck in a Critical Mass rally during rush hour traffic.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Here hoping you get stuck in a Critical Mass rally during rush hour traffic.

If that is the way it is heres to you hoping you are stuck in a CM rally while I am riding.

You are exaggerating, if you think it is that bad you hang out in the wrong places then. Your choice. No crap on my block, except maybe a few drunk partygoers at night peeing in the alleyway, which bothers me none if it is 2 am or something.
It is not like I haven't been in the same situation now and then.
But you are dead wrong on where people should raise their kids, you obviously have no clue if you think everyone should be raised in some suburb.

 

[sandorski]

US Unemployment rate is now 8.1%

 

[winnar111]

Can't wait for the Obamessiah to kill a million jobs in the healthcare industry.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Originally posted by: winnar111
Liberals have destroyed the great state of Reagan.

With sentences like that you're destroying the great sport of debating.

S&M