California to investigate Mormon aid to Prop 8

[JEDIYoda]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...6.reDrjbxyZIBJjGk7Xs8F

SAN FRANCISCO ? California officials will investigate whether the Mormon church accurately described its role in a campaign to ban gay marriage in the state.

The California Fair Political Practices Commission said Monday that a complaint by a gay rights group merits further inquiry.

Executive director Roman Porter says the decision does not mean any wrongdoing has been determined.

Fred Karger, founder of Californians Against Hate, accuses the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of failing to report the value of work it did to support Proposition 8.

A representative from the Salt Lake City-based church could not be reached for comment.

Now wouldnt that be something if the Mormon Church did misrepresent it`s role in the campaign to ban.....we will see what transapires!!

 

[jpeyton]

 

[Robor]

Good. With their tax exemptions they should keep their nose out of law/politics. Same for every other faith/church.

 

[brandonbull]

So the vote didn't go their way and now they are having the government harass people?

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
So the vote didn't go their way and now they are having the government harass people?

Only cultists.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
So the vote didn't go their way and now they are having the government harass people?

So by extension, you think people should be allowed to do whatever they want in the pursuit of an electoral victory, and nobody should be able to see if what they did was legal or not? In other words, I can slash your car tires so you can't get to the voting booth, and as long as my side wins, you can't do anything about it because that would be "having the government harass people", right?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
So the vote didn't go their way and now they are having the government harass people?

You really believe that the electorate can vote to take away another group of peoples rights?

This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

You are probably some snot nosed little kid with nothing more to do that make stopid ignorant statements!!

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: brandonbull
So the vote didn't go their way and now they are having the government harass people?

You really believe that the electorate can vote to take away another group of peoples rights?

This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

You are probably some snot nosed little kid with nothing more to do that make stopid ignorant statements!!

wow, when did you get all flamin' lib?

 

[OFFascist]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

How can a "right" that has never existed be taken away?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

How can a "right" that has never existed be taken away?

Humans have un-alienable rights except in the eyes of bigots and haters like you.

Real Americans will run people like you out this country.

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...6.reDrjbxyZIBJjGk7Xs8F

SAN FRANCISCO ? California officials will investigate whether the Mormon church accurately described its role in a campaign to ban gay marriage in the state.

The California Fair Political Practices Commission said Monday that a complaint by a gay rights group merits further inquiry.

Executive director Roman Porter says the decision does not mean any wrongdoing has been determined.

Fred Karger, founder of Californians Against Hate, accuses the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of failing to report the value of work it did to support Proposition 8.

A representative from the Salt Lake City-based church could not be reached for comment.

Now wouldnt that be something if the Mormon Church did misrepresent it`s role in the campaign to ban.....we will see what transapires!!

Oooh, an investigation! That'll teach 'em! It could have been worse - California might have unleashed a blue-ribbon commission on the LDS church.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

How can a "right" that has never existed be taken away?

Obviously it DID exist, or prop 8 would have been unnecessary. The broad (and correct) interpretation of equal protection laws did not allow the government to give gay folks less rights than straight folks, so it was necessary to change the law if the anti-gay folks wanted their way.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...6.reDrjbxyZIBJjGk7Xs8F

SAN FRANCISCO ? California officials will investigate whether the Mormon church accurately described its role in a campaign to ban gay marriage in the state.

The California Fair Political Practices Commission said Monday that a complaint by a gay rights group merits further inquiry.

Executive director Roman Porter says the decision does not mean any wrongdoing has been determined.

Fred Karger, founder of Californians Against Hate, accuses the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of failing to report the value of work it did to support Proposition 8.

A representative from the Salt Lake City-based church could not be reached for comment.

Now wouldnt that be something if the Mormon Church did misrepresent it`s role in the campaign to ban.....we will see what transapires!!

Oooh, an investigation! That'll teach 'em! It could have been worse - California might have unleashed a blue-ribbon commission on the LDS church.

Oh, it will be worse. Anybody who thinks gay bashers will wind up different than the racists in the 60's hasn't been paying much attention to history. Future conversations in high school history class about civil liberties will put the anti-gay activists like the LDS church in the same basic category as the people shooting marching black folks with fire hoses decades ago. If history has taught us nothing else, it's that people fighting against civil rights don't end up looking too good in the long run. An investigation, if it turns up anything, will teach them not to break the law. History will teach than that legislative gay bashing is no better than the more physical type.

And just try to guess how the anti-gay apologists will look.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

How can a "right" that has never existed be taken away?

Humans have un-alienable rights except in the eyes of bigots and haters like you.

Real Americans will run people like you out this country.

:thumbsup:

The rights of people are granted by nature, not the government. The government does not grant any rights, it merely protects those rights which people already have.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

How can a "right" that has never existed be taken away?

Humans have un-alienable rights except in the eyes of bigots and haters like you.

Real Americans will run people like you out this country.

:thumbsup:

The rights of people are granted by nature, not the government. The government does not grant any rights, it merely protects those rights which people already have.

And in this case the government had already granted gay people the appropriate rights.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

How can a "right" that has never existed be taken away?

Humans have un-alienable rights except in the eyes of bigots and haters like you.

Real Americans will run people like you out this country.

By labeling somebody a "bigot" and "hater" based on one statement, what does that make you?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

How can a "right" that has never existed be taken away?

Humans have un-alienable rights except in the eyes of bigots and haters like you.

Real Americans will run people like you out this country.

By labeling somebody a "bigot" and "hater" based on one statement, what does that make you?

Accurate.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

How can a "right" that has never existed be taken away?

Humans have un-alienable rights except in the eyes of bigots and haters like you.

Real Americans will run people like you out this country.

By labeling somebody a "bigot" and "hater" based on one statement, what does that make you?

Accurate.

Nope, just a simpleton who's shown himself to be incapable of thought past simple labels. Sad really.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

How can a "right" that has never existed be taken away?

Humans have un-alienable rights except in the eyes of bigots and haters like you.

Real Americans will run people like you out this country.

By labeling somebody a "bigot" and "hater" based on one statement, what does that make you?

Accurate.

Nope, just a simpleton who's shown himself to be incapable of thought past simple labels. Sad really.

LOL. Are you people serious? We live in a surreal world. Someone is a bigot, you call him a bigot, and suddenly you're the "simpleton who's shown himself to be incapable of thought past simple labels". Give me a freaking break. You're a bigot and a moron.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
This has nothing to do with a vote not going somebodys way. It has everything to do with peoples rights being taken away!

How can a "right" that has never existed be taken away?

Humans have un-alienable rights except in the eyes of bigots and haters like you.

Real Americans will run people like you out this country.

By labeling somebody a "bigot" and "hater" based on one statement, what does that make you?

Accurate.

Nope, just a simpleton who's shown himself to be incapable of thought past simple labels. Sad really.

LOL. Are you people serious? We live in a surreal world. Someone is a bigot, you call him a bigot, and suddenly you're the "simpleton who's shown himself to be incapable of thought past simple labels". Give me a freaking break. You're a bigot and a moron.

Offacist might be a bigot but you really can't say from just that one post of his, I think that's what the others are getting at.

 

[brandonb]

Here we go again,

Those who don't support gays are labeled a bigot, moron, and every other name. So much hate directed their way in the name of "eliminating bigotry." Wow! Lets run those people out of this country, because we can't tolerate their intolerance. Lol.

So we are only "free" to work, pay taxes, and jump on the liberal bandwagon? Nope.

Unlike Dave McOwen and his cheerleaders here in this forum thread. What makes real american's is to have a free mind and be ok with other people being different with you, and accepting different viewpoints and values, if you agree with them or not. In this case, the americans have spoken and didn't want gay unions, and if you disagree thats fine, but if your plan is to remove them from this country or to label them whatever names shows you aren't a true american.

But I don't expect you guys to understand that. You are liberal, its the opposite of free thinking. Funny, it was never that way in the past.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: brandonb
What makes real american's is to have a free mind and be ok with other people being different with you, and accepting different viewpoints and values, if you agree with them or not. In this case, the americans have spoken and didn't want gay unions, and if you disagree thats fine, but if your plan is to remove them from this country or to label them whatever names shows you aren't a true american.

Part of accepting different viewpoints and values like you describe is to not support outlawing others from having their own. True Americans do not try to take away the freedoms of other Americans when those freedoms do not interfere with other people's lives. That is about as anti-american as you get.

 

[brandonb]

Gay unions are not critical to being gay.

They can still live together, have sex, be as gay as they want to be. Thats not being outlawed. Is being gay mean going to prison part of Prop 8?

Just because its not recognized by the state doesn't mean anything. Its only an issue because they want it to be an issue. They've turned something trivial into a crusade.

My religion is not recognized by the state, I'm Catholic. Could I cry about having my freedoms elimianted because of it? What??? How does that make sense? Thats how I look at this who gay union thing.

Or better yet, if they removed man+woman unions? Would that mean my freedoms to marry my wife would be stomped on? No, I could still get married, in a church, live with her, have sex with her, have kids, and live as I normally would do. What does the state have to do with that?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Gay unions are not critical to being gay.

They are critical to equal protection under the law.

They can still live together, have sex, be as gay as they want to be. Thats not being outlawed. Is being gay mean going to prison part of Prop 8?

Just because its not recognized by the state doesn't mean anything.

Yes, it does. It means that they are being discriminated against on the basis of their gender

Its only an issue because they want it to be an issue. They've turned something trivial into a crusade.

It obviously isn't trivial to them, dumbass.

My religion is not recognized by the state, I'm Catholic.

Bull fucking shit it isn't. It isn't endorsed by the state, but that's something entirely different.

Could I cry about having my freedoms elimianted because of it? What???

If you weren't allowed to practice your religion while everyone else was permitted, yes, you could.

How does that make sense? Thats how I look at this who gay union thing.

And that's because you're an ignorant bigot -- plain and simple.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Gay unions are not critical to being gay.

They can still live together, have sex, be as gay as they want to be. Thats not being outlawed. Is being gay mean going to prison part of Prop 8?

Just because its not recognized by the state doesn't mean anything. Its only an issue because they want it to be an issue. They've turned something trivial into a crusade.

My religion is not recognized by the state, I'm Catholic. Could I cry about having my freedoms elimianted because of it? What??? How does that make sense? Thats how I look at this who gay union thing.

Or better yet, if they removed man+woman unions? Would that mean my freedoms to marry my wife would be stomped on? No, I could still get married, in a church, live with her, have sex with her, have kids, and live as I normally would do. What does the state have to do with that?

You've tried this line of reasoning before, I'm not sure what the confusion is. The rub is NOT that you need to be married to be gay, it is an equal protection issue. If the government grants rights to some groups, then it must provide a valid reason to deny these rights to other groups or run afoul of the 14th amendment. As for your argument to eliminate all government involvement with religion, yes that would also be an acceptable alternative. I hope you are willing to forego all of your tax breaks, guaranteed rights such as visitation in the hospital, etc. in order to keep people from attaching the word 'marriage' to their sexual union however.

You may think that that marriage sanction is unimportant, but people tend to frequently underestimate the value of things that they have never had to fight for. Something given has no value.

As for your religion not being recognized by the state, if you're living in America it sure as shit is.