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California to get one-third of their electricity from renewable sources by 2020

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Throckmorton said:
And a corn field is more beautiful than a wind turbine? Is that your expert aesthetic opinion? Sounds like yuppie "drive through the country", "not in my backyard of my hobby ranch" bullshit.
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/facepalm

MN isnt much better. I think we passed a law that we have to produce 20-25% of our energy from renewable resources by 2020. Now at least the only thing they are destroying are corn fields down near Pipestone with these turbines. But it actually makes the place look nicer hehe. But costs be damned we are doing it!
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I think some people just like to argue for the sake of arguing.
 
NIMBY does get in the way of wind turbines in agricultural fiends. A lot of idiots have arbitrarily decided that a cultivated field is beautiful but a wind turbine is ugly.

Even worse is the people who don't want wind turbines in the sea because it ruins their view of... nothing.
 
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Remember, the left bases success on intentions. Whether they are able to accomplish this or not is immaterial because, they want to do it, they've stated their intention to do it and the rest...well, it doesn't really matter.

The project is already a victory in their minds.
 
Genx87 said:
The look of the surrounding area??? It doesnt physically destroy them.
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When the hell did we decide farmland had to be pretty? Was there a vote or something that I missed? Fuck that, agricultural and industrial land is supposed to be efficient at doing whatever the fuck it is doing. "Looking good" should never come before productivity on those types of properties, at least to a sane owner. If a farm owner can increase the profitability of his corn field by using 1% of the space for windmills then he should plant the damned windmills. If I owned agricultural or industrial land my ONLY goal would be productivity of that land, not how purdy it looks. Commercial/residential land is a bit different but I don't have any corn fields in my residential neighborhood.
 
TridenT said:
I heard something like a windmill barely makes net energy in its lifetime when compared to the energy that was taken to make it and get it operational. (And most of the energy spent on making it is from non-renewable resources)

Anyway, windmills are fine. Solar is fine. Nuclear is fine. They're way better than coal.
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LOL, sure man.
 
boomerang said:
Remember, the left bases success on intentions. Whether they are able to accomplish this or not is immaterial because, they want to do it, they've stated their intention to do it and the rest...well, it doesn't really matter.

The project is already a victory in their minds.
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This is nothing new. Look at the pyramids. They have enjoyed millennia of admiration and they are nothing more than a shrine to insanity.
 
BoomerD said:
Yeah...costs be dammed...my public utility has already warned the ratepayers to expect large rate increases because of this.

Solar, geothermal, and other "renewable" sources end up costing more than "traditional" power sources...and we the ratepayers get stuck.
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While that may be true now, extrapolate energy consumption with the current population growth estimates and the inevitable shortage of the fossil fueled growth of the bric and the developing third world and those power sources make more sense. If we do not have the infrastructure inplace by the time shortages become a reality we will be up shits creek with no paddle.

take that 5 dollar a gallon gas we had a couple of years ago and triple that and see how you feel about alternate electric...
 
Excellent news! Our agents in your government are beginning to implement projects that would destroy the U.S. economy. Wind and solar energy is nothing compared to the Soviet coal and gas power plants! Very expensive and very little energy. When it is time we resurrected Lenin and struck back! Soon!
 
I love the idea...but good lord where this the money going to come from. I want to move to California badly (friends, location, etc)...but they keep pushing me away.
 
EROEI on windmills today is 20-1, much better than Corn Ethanol, Tar sands, or Solar
Currently oil is about 30-1 for comparision It used to be about 100-1

So if you could improve windmill efficiency 'probable' and get the wind to blow all the time great, however to replace any degree of what we consume would require 10's of thousands of windmills

Wind will eventually just another input into a complex electrical system
 
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