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California Supreme Court just owned Gray Davis's Un-recall effort

LunarRay

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Something again tweaks my thinking..

If Davis abdicates and the Lt. Governor takes over the following occurs:

According to the Election Code the recall continues.
Cruz Bustamonte is the Governor.
Cruz Bustamonte has filed to be on the ballot and IS selectable as a candidate in the event the recall prevails.
Cruz Bustamonte would be subject to the recall of the Governor.
The Election Code indicates anyone subject to the recall cannot succeed him or her self.
Cruz Bustamonte would if the recall prevails and he is elected succeed himself.

OK California Supreme Court ... sort this out.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
If only the US Supreme Court had been as uninvolved back in 2000.
Don't you mean the FLORIDA Supreme Court? You missed a key step.
 

Moonbeam

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If the recall succeeds the new governor will immediately be recalled and Davis can run on the second recall.
 

LunarRay

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Well how can there be a vote in October if the new machines won't be installed until next year and the Fed Court has said the old machines are not "legal or some such thing".. edit... ACLU law suit I'm told...
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If the recall succeeds the new governor will immediately be recalled and Davis can run on the second recall.
Why? To show that California Politics can become an even bigger joke?

CkG
Aren't all politics a big joke? Nobody even bothers to vote anymore.

 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If the recall succeeds the new governor will immediately be recalled and Davis can run on the second recall.
Why? To show that California Politics can become an even bigger joke?

CkG
No, it has to happen enough times that CA voters get sick of it and remove that outrageous recall procedure that allows a minority, that could not win in a regular election, to harrass an elected governor anytime his approval dips below 50%.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If the recall succeeds the new governor will immediately be recalled and Davis can run on the second recall.
Why? To show that California Politics can become an even bigger joke?

CkG
No, it has to happen enough times that CA voters get sick of it and remove that outrageous recall procedure that allows a minority, that could not win in a regular election, to harrass an elected governor anytime his approval dips below 50%.
Davis hasn't been recalled by a minority of the voters. The only way he WILL be recalled is if a MAJORITY of the voters choose to recall him. The whole argument about a "minority of voters" is bunk - he hasn't been removed....yet. If a MAJORITY of voters wish to keep him then he keeps his job;)

BarneyFife - very true. It has become a joke because we have career politicians who do and say anything to keep their jobs. Most if not all career politicians are out of touch with real people.

CkG
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If the recall succeeds the new governor will immediately be recalled and Davis can run on the second recall.
Why? To show that California Politics can become an even bigger joke?

CkG
No, it has to happen enough times that CA voters get sick of it and remove that outrageous recall procedure that allows a minority, that could not win in a regular election, to harrass an elected governor anytime his approval dips below 50%.
Davis hasn't been recalled by a minority of the voters. The only way he WILL be recalled is if a MAJORITY of the voters choose to recall him. The whole argument about a "minority of voters" is bunk - he hasn't been removed....yet. If a MAJORITY of voters wish to keep him then he keeps his job;)

BarneyFife - very true. It has become a joke because we have career politicians who do and say anything to keep their jobs. Most if not all career politicians are out of touch with real people.

CkG
That and people need to change california election law so the minority cant do this. But while we are talking about the minority partys, I wonder how supertool feels about senate filibusters and Texas redistricting. Both of these are being halted by the minority party. Should the rights of the minority party be protected or not?
 

Moonbeam

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The Supreme Court members of California are all Republican appointees.

I would like your answer, Caddy to your own question:

Why? To show that California Politics can become an even bigger joke?

My answer is yes. Republicanism is like a blight of selfishness and greed, a me first and I me me mine-ism that is tearing down all social good. Republicans are ruthless, vindictive and crude. They win by any means. They are like a cancer that consumes the body good. They are vampires that suck out blood. They are the haves who want more, mites that eat the cheese. The answer to rapacious unstoppable greed is to poison the well, to spoil the pie. If it takes the destruction of the cow they milk to put an end to them then the cow must die. A disease has to be stamped out unmercifully.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Supreme Court members of California are all Republican appointees.

I would like your answer, Caddy to your own question:

Why? To show that California Politics can become an even bigger joke?

My answer is yes. Republicanism is like a blight of selfishness and greed, a me first and I me me mine-ism that is tearing down all social good. Republicans are ruthless, vindictive and crude. They win by any means. They are like a cancer that consumes the body good. They are vampires that suck out blood. They are the haves who want more, mites that eat the cheese. The answer to rapacious unstoppable greed is to poison the well, to spoil the pie. If it takes the destruction of the cow they milk to put an end to them then the cow must die. A disease has to be stamped out unmercifully.
Need I remind you which way California leans?(damn near tipping over if you ask me:p)?
California needs a real leader back in the Govenors office, not some slick willy politician. Now understand that I'm on the outside looking in but all I've seen coming from California for the last few years is circus circus circus - why add more?
I think you have your view a little cockeyed - Both parties do what you say and you can't deny it. Get over your hate;)

CkG
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: BOBDN
If only the US Supreme Court had been as uninvolved back in 2000.
Don't you mean the FLORIDA Supreme Court? You missed a key step.
The Florida Supreme Court was fulfilling it's responsibility as directed by Florida's constitution and the power given to them by the Florida legislature.

The US Supreme court on the other hand decided it didn't like what the US Constitution said about it being up to the States to run their elections with the House of Representatives deciding any controversies and picked Bush to be prez.


 

Dudd

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Supreme Court members of California are all Republican appointees.

I would like your answer, Caddy to your own question:

Why? To show that California Politics can become an even bigger joke?

My answer is yes. Republicanism is like a blight of selfishness and greed, a me first and I me me mine-ism that is tearing down all social good. Republicans are ruthless, vindictive and crude. They win by any means. They are like a cancer that consumes the body good. They are vampires that suck out blood. They are the haves who want more, mites that eat the cheese. The answer to rapacious unstoppable greed is to poison the well, to spoil the pie. If it takes the destruction of the cow they milk to put an end to them then the cow must die. A disease has to be stamped out unmercifully.
Seriously Moonie, to use a word of yours, you can't be a "sheep" and truly believe that this is a Republican problem. This is a political problem. Issues don't matter. Doing what is best for the country doesn't matter. Positioning yourself so that you can soak up as many votes as possible matters. Democrats, Republicans, they are all the same. They want power, and they'll do anything to get it. That's one of the main reasons I plan on voting for a 3rd party candidate- at least you know they aren't in it just for the hope of grabbing power, because they have no chance.

 

RDWYTruckDriver

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This is a political problem. Issues don't matter. Doing what is best for the country doesn't matter. Positioning yourself so that you can soak up as many votes as possible matters. Democrats, Republicans, they are all the same.
Agreed.

Both parties do have good sides to them though. But unfortunately, " Both " parties go to the extreme to push their " bad " sides to the very front. Therefore the U.S. people don't get to have as much problem solving done on their behalf as needed.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Dudd
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Supreme Court members of California are all Republican appointees.

I would like your answer, Caddy to your own question:

Why? To show that California Politics can become an even bigger joke?

My answer is yes. Republicanism is like a blight of selfishness and greed, a me first and I me me mine-ism that is tearing down all social good. Republicans are ruthless, vindictive and crude. They win by any means. They are like a cancer that consumes the body good. They are vampires that suck out blood. They are the haves who want more, mites that eat the cheese. The answer to rapacious unstoppable greed is to poison the well, to spoil the pie. If it takes the destruction of the cow they milk to put an end to them then the cow must die. A disease has to be stamped out unmercifully.
Seriously Moonie, to use a word of yours, you can't be a "sheep" and truly believe that this is a Republican problem. This is a political problem. Issues don't matter. Doing what is best for the country doesn't matter. Positioning yourself so that you can soak up as many votes as possible matters. Democrats, Republicans, they are all the same. They want power, and they'll do anything to get it. That's one of the main reasons I plan on voting for a 3rd party candidate- at least you know they aren't in it just for the hope of grabbing power, because they have no chance.

This is just plain Bull. The Republican idealogy favors exactly what moonie talked about... They favor compitition, merit, and individualism.. These traits require someone who is 100 percent self-interested to be "succesful", creates winners and loosers, are not condusive to a heathly family or coorperative enviroment. Liberals OTOH generally like inclusion and equality this favors a more inclusive and eqalitarion society but upsets the selfish 'overacheirs'..
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: BOBDN
If only the US Supreme Court had been as uninvolved back in 2000.
Don't you mean the FLORIDA Supreme Court? You missed a key step.
The Florida Supreme Court was fulfilling it's responsibility as directed by Florida's constitution and the power given to them by the Florida legislature.

The US Supreme court on the other hand decided it didn't like what the US Constitution said about it being up to the States to run their elections with the House of Representatives deciding any controversies and picked Bush to be prez.
The US Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of laws in this country, and if the Florida court abrogated their Constitutional obligations or abused their power, the USSC is the appellate authority. What was your grade in Con Law? I got an "A".
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: BOBDN
If only the US Supreme Court had been as uninvolved back in 2000.
Don't you mean the FLORIDA Supreme Court? You missed a key step.
The Florida Supreme Court was fulfilling it's responsibility as directed by Florida's constitution and the power given to them by the Florida legislature.

The US Supreme court on the other hand decided it didn't like what the US Constitution said about it being up to the States to run their elections with the House of Representatives deciding any controversies and picked Bush to be prez.
The US Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of laws in this country, and if the Florida court abrogated their Constitutional obligations or abused their power, the USSC is the appellate authority. What was your grade in Con Law? I got an "A".
For Federal Law... the Florida Supreme Court is the final arbiter for Florida State Law.
 
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well, to be fair, Zebo, the republicans are at *least* as bad for Capitalism as the Socialist democrats, because they pay lip service to the creed and then betray it when it suits them. At this stage of the game, The Reps and Dems are two sides of the SAME coin. Most of the third parties, however, are a bit of a joke. There are a few in every camp who are genuine, honest, decent men and women who want to do the best for their country, but for the most part, the Politicians are the problem. They ignore the public when they shouldn't, and they pay attention to the public when they should ignore them. It's very often "all about the votes."

Sad, yes, but the truth.

Jason

PS: Ray, actually the Supreme Court of the United States is the Final Arbiter for ALL laws. Even state laws can be overridden by the Federal Supreme Court. If that were not so, Chinese people wouldn't be allowed to own property in California (by the California Constitution, 1879 if I recall the year correctly!)

 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
well, to be fair, Zebo, the republicans are at *least* as bad for Capitalism as the Socialist democrats, because they pay lip service to the creed and then betray it when it suits them. At this stage of the game, The Reps and Dems are two sides of the SAME coin. Most of the third parties, however, are a bit of a joke. There are a few in every camp who are genuine, honest, decent men and women who want to do the best for their country, but for the most part, the Politicians are the problem. They ignore the public when they shouldn't, and they pay attention to the public when they should ignore them. It's very often "all about the votes."

Sad, yes, but the truth.

Jason

PS: Ray, actually the Supreme Court of the United States is the Final Arbiter for ALL laws. Even state laws can be overridden by the Federal Supreme Court. If that were not so, Chinese people wouldn't be allowed to own property in California (by the California Constitution, 1879 if I recall the year correctly!)



USSC cannot "opine" on that which is reserved to the states. Only federal issues are litigated in Federal Courts or issues between the states and then using state law in federal court. When the 11th heard and passed off the Bush v Gore case it was on the Federal Issue of the 14th amendment.

edit.. maybe you mean that someone can claim something violates the US Constitution and plea for a Cert before the USSC. If it gets past the dist court and fed appeals it prob. does and so I'd agree the USSC has the final say on what the Constitution says and if a state law or action violates its provisions but, state law is state controlled.
 

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