California signs into law the second half of the Dream Act

[Fenixgoon]

Except it was your girlfriend's choice to come here. I admit US immigration is fubared for giving priority to family immigration vs. skilled immigrants but punishing kids who had no choice in establishing their home is just evil. These are kids that are by all accounts culturally American except for a piece of paper saying otherwise. Punish the parents not the kids. Plus if these kids actually work and apply what they've learned in college towards improving this country and paying taxes, well that's better than just wasting all those years of education and treating them like 2nd class citizens. I bet a lot of these kids have no idea what they're home country is like and a good bunch probably don't even speak the language. Where's the humanity in deporting them from their roots? The number of kids affected by this (about 60,000 per year) is minuscule compared to non-skilled illegal immigrants. Solve the immigration problem by attaching the source (businesses) instead of punishing those exploited by the broken system.

and how is it any different for an illegal immigrant? it was their choice to ILLEGALLY come here (minus the kids).

but hey, let's make a great policy for the children of illegals, because that will definitely stop them from coming over :roll:

the policy does nothing but encourage more illegals to cross the border.

 

[chowderhead]

Except it was your girlfriend's choice to come here. I admit US immigration is fubared for giving priority to family immigration vs. skilled immigrants but punishing kids who had no choice in establishing their home is just evil. These are kids that are by all accounts culturally American except for a piece of paper saying otherwise. Punish the parents not the kids. Plus if these kids actually work and apply what they've learned in college towards improving this country and paying taxes, well that's better than just wasting all those years of education and treating them like 2nd class citizens. I bet a lot of these kids have no idea what they're home country is like and a good bunch probably don't even speak the language. Where's the humanity in deporting them from their roots? The number of kids affected by this (about 60,000 per year) is minuscule compared to non-skilled illegal immigrants. Solve the immigration problem by attaching the source (businesses) instead of punishing those exploited by the broken system.

illegal immigrants are not allowed to work here legally. Employers should not be hiring illegal immigrants once they graduate or get out of college. Going to college and getting tax payer funded scholarships is an outrage to all those citizens who pay taxes all their lives and play by the rules. First, Democrats and Governor Brown allow illegals to pay in state tuition, now tax payer funded scholarship. At least Governor Brown vetoed the racial consideration bill for college admissions.

 

[Svnla]

There is a easy way to fix all this by just marrying her...

It is not that easy. You have to do a lot of stuffs to make it legal. That's why us LEGALS are steaming mad at all the breaks being given to ILLEGALS.

I am too lazy now to look up the link with all the steps to marry someone and get him/her here to be your spouse. It is not like Schadenfrom and his gf only need to say "l do" then sign the paper and bamm, it is all good, they can live together happy forever, it is not that easy.

Edit: Here is a good start = http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1315.html

 

[quikah]

It is not that easy. You have to do a lot of stuffs to make it legal. That's why us LEGALS are steaming mad at all the breaks being given to ILLEGALS.

I am too lazy now to look up the link with all the steps to marry someone and get him/her here to be your spouse. It is not like Schadenfrom and his gf only need to say "l do" then sign the paper and bamm, it is all good, they can live together happy forever, it is not that easy.

It is pretty easy, especially in Schadenfroh's case since his GF is already in the US (or will be once the student visa is re-approved). just get married and file a few forms. As long as the relationship is legitimate it should be approved.

 

[Circlenaut]

and how is it any different for an illegal immigrant? it was their choice to ILLEGALLY come here (minus the kids).

but hey, let's make a great policy for the children of illegals, because that will definitely stop them from coming over :roll:

the policy does nothing but encourage more illegals to cross the border.

Exactly minus the kids. It was their parent's choice in bringing them here, the children gave no consent obviously because they're not adults. Tell me why children should suffer for their parent's mistakes? Kick out the people that are consenting to breaking the law not those that can't. I find it incredibly inhuman to rip these poor kids from their roots. And really the cost of not helping them greatly outweighs the risks in helping them. Lets see, add productive college educated young people to society or let them because society's problem.

 

[Circlenaut]

illegal immigrants are not allowed to work here legally. Employers should not be hiring illegal immigrants once they graduate or get out of college. Going to college and getting tax payer funded scholarships is an outrage to all those citizens who pay taxes all their lives and play by the rules. First, Democrats and Governor Brown allow illegals to pay in state tuition, now tax payer funded scholarship. At least Governor Brown vetoed the racial consideration bill for college admissions.

Exactly this is why the Federal DREAM act should be ratified.

 

[xBiffx]

Exactly minus the kids. It was their parent's choice in bringing them here, the children gave no consent obviously because they're not adults. Tell me why children should suffer for their parent's mistakes? Kick out the people that are consenting to breaking the law not those that can't. I find it incredibly inhuman to rip these poor kids from their roots. And really the cost of helping them greatly outweighs the risks in not helping them. Lets see, add productive college educated young people to society or let them because society's problem.

My heart is bleeding from your diatribe. Please...give me a fucking break. I had to live with my parent's choices, both good and bad. Are you saying that I should have been set free from the bad ones too? That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Also, did you even read what you wrote. The cost does greatly outweigh the risk, which is why we can't fucking afford it. You were right about that, although I don't think this is what you wanted to say.

 

[bradley]

Your hearts should not bleed for the children of undocumented aliens from other countries trying to apply for college, just like the children of first generation legal immigrants from other states filing for out-of-state tuition who get no preferential treatment.

 

[Circlenaut]

I had to live with my parent's choices, both good and bad. Are you saying that I should have been set free from the bad ones too? That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

We're not talking about simple parental choices of upbringing we're talking about legal life changing choices. Are you really saying that if you're parents forced you as a child to do something illegal (as a child not understanding what you'd be doing) that child should be made to suffer those consequences as an adult would?

Frankly instead of passing the federal Dream Act legislators should be adding clauses to the current asylum process so these children would be able to stay out of undue emotional and possibly physical duress. I really don't see how forcing a child who was brought up in this country, their home, to leave is an ethical act.

Compassion: the ability to not only feel a person's suffering but to take it in and act to removing that person's suffering.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Exactly minus the kids. It was their parent's choice in bringing them here, the children gave no consent obviously because they're not adults. Tell me why children should suffer for their parent's mistakes? Kick out the people that are consenting to breaking the law not those that can't. I find it incredibly inhuman to rip these poor kids from their roots. And really the cost of not helping them greatly outweighs the risks in helping them. Lets see, add productive college educated young people to society or let them because society's problem.

because laws like this still give incentive for people to illegally cross the border. that's why.

and given our current immigration policy - which is letting poorly educated illegals enter, but kicking highly educated advanced degree holders out - we should a) fix that problem and b) stop incentives for illegal immigration.

 

[Circlenaut]

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because laws like this still give incentive for people to illegally cross the border. that's why.

and given our current immigration policy - which is letting poorly educated illegals enter, but kicking highly educated advanced degree holders out - we should a) fix that problem and b) stop incentives for illegal immigration.

Sure it might give some minor extra incentive over the rest of the honey, in their eyes, this country has to offer. I'm not disagreeing with you. Give priority to skilled workers and advanced degree holders, implement a system to hold business' accountable for their illegal hiring practices but don't punish the kids caught up in this whole mess.