California Ranks 1st in Nation for ?Insourced? Jobs

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California Ranks 1st in Nation for ?Insourced? Jobs
The Forgotten Side of the ?Outsourcing? Debate

Washington, DC ? April 7, 2004 ? California ranks 1st in the nation in terms of the total number of ?insourced? jobs ? jobs supported by the U.S. operations of companies headquartered abroad. Insourcing is the forgotten side of the outsourcing debate. U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies employ 713,500 Californians, according to the Organization for International Investment (OFII).

?The debate about outsourcing is essentially about globalization,? said Todd Malan, Executive Director of the Organization for International Investment, a Washington, DC-based business group, representing U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies. ?The media has focused on one facet of globalization: outsourcing. But the flipside of outsourcing jobs abroad is insourcing jobs to the U.S. by companies based abroad,? Malan stated.

?U.S. subsidiaries insource jobs to every state in the country ? upwards of 700,000 in California ? attracted by the world's best, brightest, and most creative workforce,? he added.

California ?Insourcing? Job Facts

- California ranks 1st in the nation in terms of the number of workers employed by U.S. subsidiaries of foreign firms, with a total of 713,500;

- California also ranks 1st in the nation by the number of its insourced manufacturing jobs, with a total of 193,600;

- California?s insourced jobs grew by 156,000 over five years, an increase of 28 percent;

- Insourcing companies in California include: ABB Inc.; Alcon Inc.; Honda; BAE Systems North America; GKN Aerospace Services; Hitachi Chemical Co.; Hyundai-Kia; Matsushita Electric Corporation; Nestlé USA, Inc.; Reed Elsevier; Roche Consulting; Saint-Gobain; Shaklee Corporation; Siemens Corporation; Sodexho Inc.; Sony Electronics; Thales Inc.; Toyota Motor North America; Unilever United States, Inc.; Vodafone Americas Inc.; and Zurich North America; and,

- Nationally, U.S. subsidiaries compensate their employees, on average, 16.5 percent more than all U.S. companies.

The top 20 states in terms of the number of insourced jobs ? ranked in order ? are California, New York, Texas, Illinois, Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Ohio, North Carolina, Massachusetts, Virginia, Indiana, Tennessee, South Carolina, Connecticut, Missouri, Maryland, and Wisconsin. Nationally, U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies employ 6.4 million Americans.

State specific information on ?insourcing? and the overall economic impact of U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies is available at www.ofii.org.

These data are the most recent available from the Bureau of Economic Analysis of the U.S. Department of Commerce."[/quote]


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Interesting. Do you have any information on which countries are the large outsourcers to the U.S.?
 

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You know I recalled some people on these forums, blaming the bad Californian economy on liberals.
 

gsaldivar

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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You know I recalled some people on these forums, blaming the bad Californian economy on liberals.

Most liberals are opposed to globalization, international trade, NAFTA etc.

Consequentially, they must be agains these 713,500 jobs, right?

:beer::D
 

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Originally posted by: gsaldivar
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You know I recalled some people on these forums, blaming the bad Californian economy on liberals.

Most liberals are opposed to globalization, international trade, NAFTA etc.

Consequentially, they must be agains these 713,500 jobs, right?

:beer::D

"Nationally, U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies employ 6.4 million Americans. "

According to you if this crap was true there never would've been 2.2 million American losing their jobs, we'd be beyond full employment or frictional employment even.
 

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According to you if this crap was true there never would've been 2.2 million American losing their jobs, we'd be beyond full employment or frictional employment even.

If you can't understand how 6.4 million Americans can be employed by foreign companies, while 2.2 million (your statistic) Americans can be "losing" their jobs, then you really have no business getting involved in a quantitative discussion about jobs to begin with.

This "crap" is fact, and if you have any doubt as to its authenticity, there is a nearly-complete list of the foreign investors on the OFII website if you took the time to look...........

Insourcing companies in California include:

ABB Inc.; Alcon Inc.; Honda; BAE Systems North America; GKN Aerospace Services; Hitachi Chemical Co.; Hyundai-Kia; Matsushita Electric Corporation; Nestlé USA, Inc.; Reed Elsevier; Roche Consulting; Saint-Gobain; Shaklee Corporation; Siemens Corporation; Sodexho Inc.; Sony Electronics; Thales Inc.; Toyota Motor North America; Unilever United States, Inc.; Vodafone Americas Inc.; and Zurich North America

Insourcing activity in other states:

Alabama

Honda North America, Inc. announced expansion of its Alabama plant at the end of 2002 ? a doubling to 300,000 Odyssey minivans and V6 engines. Line 2 starts this spring with full production by the end of 2004. This brings Honda?s employment in Alabama to 4,300.

Mercedes-Benz US International, a subsidiary of Germany?s DaimlerChrysler, is expanding its plant in Vance. The vehicle manufacturing facility already employs 2,400 and the $600-million expansion will add 2,000 new jobs.


Arkansas

DENSO Corporation, the Japanese auto parts maker, is building a new manufacturing facility in Osceola. The new plant will employ 500 people manufacturing air conditioners and radiators for customers such as Toyota.\

Gerber Products Company, a subsidiary of the Swiss company Novartis, announced a $65 million expansion at its Fort Smith facility. The new expansion will modernize the plant and bring new technology for Gerber?s new plastic packaging line. The investment and new technology will also expand its employee?s job skills.

Nestle, the Switzerland-based company, opened a new production facility in Jonesboro. The facility will produce many of Nestle?s prepared food products. The $165 million plant currently employs nearly 400 with expectations of employing nearly 1000 once the facility is fully operational.

Sakae Riken Kogyo, the Japan-based auto part manufacturer, announced it will build a manufacturing plant in Wynne. The facility will have an initial workforce of 75 with plans to hire up to 250 workers.


California

BAE Systems, the U.S. subsidiary of the British high-tech company, will employ approximately 550 people in its new Los Angeles facility. The office and prototype development building houses BAE's Integrated Solutions unit and opened in May, 2003.

CertainTeed, a subsidiary of France?s Saint-Gobain Corporation, is opening a new vinyl-window assembly plant in West Sacramento. The new facility will create up to 500 new jobs. The new plant will add to CertainTeed's current work force of some 8,300 employees which includes their existing plant in Corona.

Hyundai Motor Company and Kia Motors Corporation, the South Korean automobile manufacturers, recently established their Hyundai-Kia Design & Technical Center in Irvine. The facility will employ 100 auto designers, engineers, model makers and technicians.


Connecticut

BAE Systems, the U.S. subsidiary of the British defense contractor, is adding 150 new jobs to its 400 worker facility in Cheshire. The plant manufactures gyroscopes and measurement systems for a variety of uses.

GKN Aerospace Services Structures Corporation, a new subsidiary of UK-based GKN plc, is establishing its manufacturing facility in Cromwell. The company will manufacture aerospace components using carbon fiber composites. The plant?s employment will expand to more than 200 people.

Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals, Inc., the U.S. pharmaceutical subsidiary of Germany-based Boehringer Ingelheim Corporation, is planning to expand its facilities on its existing 294-acre campus in Ridgefield. The project is expected to create 500-700 new jobs over the next six years.


Florida

Nestlé Waters North America broke ground in July, 2003, on a new $120 million facility that will produce Nestlé's Deer Park brand bottled water and bring 300 jobs to Madison County.


Georgia

Heckler & Koch, a U.S. subsidiary of a German gun manufacturer, is currently expanding its American presence by building its first U.S. manufacturing facility. The Columbus operation will initially employ 200 and may eventually employ 600 Georgians.

Toyota Industries North America and Denso Corporation, two Japan-based auto part manufacturers, in a joint venture will acquire a 152-acre tract in Jackson County to manufacture compressors for automotive air-conditioners in 2005. The new plant will create 120 new jobs with an initial $60 million investment.

Yamaha Motor Manufacturing Corporation of America, the U.S. subsidiary of the Japan-based company, recently finished an expansion at its Newnan plant. The golf car manufacturing facility added 400 jobs to its previous 1,000 because of the $50 million investment.


Indiana

Roche Diagnostics Corp., a U.S. subsidiary if Switzerland's Roche Group, announced in April 2003 a new $135 million investment in its Indianapolis-based headquarters that will create 600 additional jobs by 2012 while protecting 2,150 existing ones.


Kansas

UPU Industries, a subsidiary of Northern Ireland-based Steve Orr Ltd., plans to invest $14 million in Junction City. The new manufacturing facility will employ nearly 70 workers producing agricultural blade crop products.


Kentucky

Cosma International, the U.S. subsidiary of Canada?s Magna International, Inc., recently announced their second phase of investment in a new facility in Bowling Green. Magna International is a leading global supplier of technology advanced automotive systems. The project will have the potential to add an additional 800 jobs and an additional $80 million investment.

Kyosan Denso Manufacturing, a joint venture between the U.S. subsidiaries of the Japanese Denso Corp. and Kyosan Denki, will soon open a new manufacturing facility in Mt. Sterling creating an anticipated 230 new jobs. The total investment in the project will be $12.3 million.


Michigan

DENSO Manufacturing, the U.S. subsidiary of the Japanese company, is expanding its presence in Battle Creek. The expansion will add 90,000 square feet of manufacturing space to the company?s existing facility. It will also create 300 new jobs in addition to its more than 2,400 employees in Michigan.

Dr. Schneider Automotive Systems, the U.S. subsidiary of Germany?s Dr. Schneider Holding GmbH, is expanding in Brighton. The company plans to invest an estimated $26.5 million to construct a new facility for the design, engineering and production of plastic automotive components for the North American market. Michigan beat Canada for the new investment that will create 350 new jobs.

Inalfa Roof Systems, Inc., a subsidiary of a Dutch company, Inalfa Roof Systems Group BV, plans to invest approximately $8.4 million in its new new facility in Grand Blanc Township. The new assembly plant will eventually create 161new jobs.

Global Engine Alliance, a joint venture between Germany?s DaimlerChrysler, South Korea?s Hyundai and Japan?s Mitsubishi, is building a $400 million facility in Dundee. The plant will manufacture aluminum engines for its owner?s vehicles. The facility is expected to create 172 new jobs in its first year of operation and 400 new jobs over a five-year period.

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Climate Control, Inc., a subsidiary of Japan?s Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, will invest $7.4 million in a technical center located in Sterling Heights. The new facility will create 75 new jobs.


Minnesota

Ecolab Inc., the leading global developer and marketer of premium cleaning, sanitizing, pest elimination, maintenance and repair products and services for the hospitality, foodservice, institutional and industrial markets, is expanding its R & D center in Eagan. Ecolab outgrew its previous facility in Mendoza Heights. Ecolab plans to hire 400 new workers over the next five years.


Mississippi

Faurecia, a French auto parts supplier, will open its new manufacturing facility in Cleveland. The plant will employ as many as 250 workers making metal seat frames for its customers that include Audi, DaimlerChrysler, General Motors, Fiat, Peugeot, Renault and Volkswagen.

Nissan North America, the U.S. subsidiary of the Japanese car manufacturer opened a new plant in Canton. The new $1.4 billion assembly plant will have the ability to produce 400,000 vehicles a year. Currently, the facility employs 1,950 workers but Nissan will employ up to 5,300 people by midyear 2004 at its new Mississippi plant.


New Mexico

Tempur-Pedic, the U.S. subsidiary of Sweden?s Tempur World, began construction of its second U.S. plant in Albuquerque. The $56 million mattress manufacturing facility will employ 300 workers and encompass 530,000 sq. ft.


North Carolina

Infineon Technologies, the German computer-chip maker announced in early 2003 that it will expand its facilities in Cary. The expansion will create 400 new jobs bringing total employment to nearly 500. By November 2003, Infineon already doubled its previous workforce in North Carolina and continues to expand towards hiring 400 new employees.

BSH Home Appliances Corporation, which distributes the Bosch, Siemens and Gaggenau brands of appliances has opened two new production plants employing 1200 employees in New Bern, North Carolina. In addition, BSH has invested $200 million in the expansion of the local facility.


Ohio

LexisNexis, a subsidiary of Britain?s Reed Elsevier Group, recently announced construction on a new research and development facility in Springfield. The new data management center will employ 80 people in addition to its 3,000 employees already located in the Dayton area.

SUMCO USA, the U.S. subsidiary of the Japan-based Sumitomo Mitsubishi Silicon Corporation, $51 million investment to expand its Maineville facility. The expanded plant will accommodate additional wafer production while creating 260 new jobs and retaining 406.


Oklahoma

Michelin North America, the U.S. subsidiary of the French tire manufacturer, is investing $144 million in its Ardmore plant. The Oklahoma locations competed successfully against locations worldwide. The new investment will add 50 jobs to the current 1,841 and solidify Michelin?s presence in Ardmore.

Pennsylvania

ADCUS, Inc., a South Korea-based semiconductor manufacturer, recently announced that it was opening semiconductor design facilities in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. ADCUS, Inc. will invest $10 million and create 166 new jobs at its new facilities.

AgustaWestland Inc., the U.S. subsidiary of Europe?s joint venture between Britain?s GKN plc and Italy?s Finmeccanica SpA, is locating its new helicopter production facility near Philadelphia. The new factory, that will create nearly 50 new jobs, will build A119 Koala helicopters and is also competing to build the next Marine One helicopter.


Mitsubishi Electric Power Products Inc., a subsidiary of Japan?s Mitsubishi Electric and Electronics, announced that they will build their new headquarters building in Warrendale. The 50,000 sq. ft. facility adds to the more than $20 million investment in Warrandale. Mitsubishi employs over 250 people supporting the design, manufacture, sales, and service of electrical and electronic products for the electric utility, water utility, transportation, industrial, and entertainment markets.


South Carolina

Electrolux Home Products, the U.S. subsidiary of Sweden?s Electrolux, will open a new facility in Anderson. The center?s staff will initially add 35 to 40 jobs in the first year. Additional jobs will be added as the center is completed, bringing employment at Anderson to over 1,600.

Siemens VDO Automotive recently announced plans to establish a North American diesel systems headquarters in Columbia. The new Powertrain Diesel Systems headquarters represents a $25 million capital investment and 120 employees ? 70 of whom will be new hires from the region. The new division headquarters will become a national center for research and development, engineering and testing of diesel fuel technology, including piezo electronic fuel injectors, diesel pumps and fuel rails.


Tennessee

Nissan North America, the U.S. subsidiary of Japan?s Nissan Motor Co. Ltd., expanded its Smyrna plant in 2003. Nissan invested $250 million and will hire 1,500 new employees for its expanded facilities.

Quanta Computer, Inc., a U.S. subsidiary of a Taiwan-based computer manufacturer, will create 500 jobs by the end of 2003 in Nashville. The company will invest $7 million to locate the company's U.S. manufacturing and distribution headquarters in Tennessee.


Texas

Samsung, a U.S. subsidiary of a South Korea-based company, is adding 300 high-paying, high-tech jobs to the current 930 positions at its Austin semiconductor plant. While Samsung is investing $500 million total, about $400 million will go to upgrading the plant's semiconductor fabrication equipment.

Toyota Motor North America, the U.S. subsidiary of Japan?s Toyota Motor Company, announced that it will build its 6th U.S. manufacturing plant in San Antonio. The $800 million investment will employ nearly 2,000 and produce approximately 150,000 vehicles a year.


Virginia

Boehringer Ingelheim Chemicals, Inc., the U.S. pharmaceutical subsidiary of Germany-based Boehringer Ingelheim Corporation, is expanding its manufacturing facility in Petersburg. The completion of the expansion could reach $260 million in new capital investment and will create 165 new jobs.

Celanese Acetate LLC, a U.S. subsidiary of Germany?s Celanese AG, expanded its Narrows facility. The expansion will create 55 new jobs for chemists, engineers, and technicians. Before this $10 million investment, Celanese employed 1,000 people at this research and development center.

CMA-CGM America, the U.S. subsidiary of the French shipping firm, chose Norfolk for their new North American headquarters. The new headquarters will employ 116 new workers in addition to the current 230 that are currently based in Virginia Beach.

Essel Propack, an India-based manufacturing firm, has recently invested in Danville. Essel Propack will invest $10.4 million to expand the company?s existing operations that will create 50 new jobs. Virginia successfully competed with Mexico for the project. Previously, during its first year of operation, Essel Propack has invested more than $21 million and created 87 jobs.

Metalsa, a Mexican manufacturer, recently announced that it will expand its plant in Botetourt County. The expansion will create 70 new jobs in addition to the current 134 employees. The investment in the truck rail frame manufacturing facility will be $25 million.

STIHL Inc., a subsidiary of German-based STIHL Holding AG & Co., will expand its operations in Virginia Beach. STIHL is investing $60.8 million and creating 200 new jobs. STIHL?s investment includes the construction of a 228,000-square foot addition to its U.S. headquarters.


Washington

T-Mobile, the U.S. cellular phone subsidiary of Germany? Deutsche Telekom, has expanded significantly in the U.S. during the past year. T-Mobile?s new Meridian, Idaho call center will create over 600 new jobs. Additionally, T-Mobile will open a new customer service center in Mission, Texas that will employ almost 700. These expansions are in addition to T-Mobile?s call center in Redmond, Washington that opened in the summer of 2003 that also employs nearly 700 workers.


Wisconsin

Fiskars Consumer Products Inc., an American subsidiary of the Finnish consumer products company, is expanding its Garden Tools manufacturing plant in Sauk City. Fiskars currently employs 5,600 people throughout. The expansion project, which began in the fall of 2001, will continue for five years and create a few hundred new manufacturing jobs in the area.
 

dmcowen674

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Georgia

Toyota Industries North America and Denso Corporation, two Japan-based auto part manufacturers, in a joint venture will acquire a 152-acre tract in Jackson County to manufacture compressors for automotive air-conditioners in 2005. The new plant will create 120 new jobs with an initial $60 million investment.
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I can speak about this one because I can walk to the 152 acre tract from my house here.

"initial $60 million investment". Yeah right, if that. The plant will be much more than a $60 million plant and who do you think is paying for it for them? Yep, US.

Other than some 120 low paying jobs this project brings very little because the Government gave everything away and actually paying them to build this plant here. You can bet they will never ever pay a penny of Tax either.
 

gsaldivar

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"initial $60 million investment". Yeah right, if that. The plant will be much more than a $60 million plant and who do you think is paying for it for them? Yep, US. Other than some 120 low paying jobs this project brings very little because the Government gave everything away and actually paying them to build this plant here. You can bet they will never ever pay a penny of Tax either.

Well then time to start firing off some letters to your Governor. I suggest:

"We don't need any more jobs here in Georgia!" :)

That ought to get the ball rolling...

:beer::D
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: gsaldivar
"initial $60 million investment". Yeah right, if that. The plant will be much more than a $60 million plant and who do you think is paying for it for them? Yep, US. Other than some 120 low paying jobs this project brings very little because the Government gave everything away and actually paying them to build this plant here. You can bet they will never ever pay a penny of Tax either.

Well then time to start firing off some letters to your Governor. I suggest:

"We don't need any more jobs here in Georgia!" :)

That ought to get the ball rolling...

:beer::D

He's already failed to give away enough money for a new Dodge Mini-Van plant on the East Coast of Georgia. Georgia didn't have enough bribe money to pull off the deal.

$320 Million not enough for Bribe:

Budget paves way for plant

In Georgia, DaimlerChrysler officials found what they were looking for. The land was already owned by the state thanks to the Georgia Ports Authority's not-so-quiet $23 million purchase of more than 1,500-acres of Pooler property. The project could move forward without the pressure to create jobs hanging over the estimated two year construction process, estimated to cost the company $750 million.

The prize for Georgia, state officials said, comes in 2005 when Sprinters start rolling off the assembly line at the roughly 2.3 million square-foot van plant. The facility is expected to employ about 3,300 workers, earning an average of $22.50 per hour. This translates into a $155 million payroll destined to infuse cash into the Savannah-area.

The $320 million package then-Gov. Roy Barnes cobbled together was about $26 million less than his closest competitor's offer of $346 million. But former South Carolina Gov. Jim Hodges tied his state's money to job creation.
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It didn't go through, not sure if they decided on South Carolina, any Carolinians on here can comment?
 

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Same deal here in Washington. Boeing holds a lottery for the assembly line for the new 7E7 commercial jet. Washington "wins" with a bid of $3.3 billion. Boeing expects to hire 1200 workers in Washington for the 7E7 but didn't have to guarantee that number. Let's see best case $3,300,000,000 divided by 1200 workers is $2,750,000 per expected worker.

I started a business in Washington 13 years ago and now have 37 workers. 37 times $2,750,000 is $101,750,000. Where do I apply to get my payoff?

You can sure tell the politicians are not spending their own money when they go after these big company plants.
 

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Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Same deal here in Washington. Boeing holds a lottery for the assembly line for the new 7E7 commercial jet. Washington "wins" with a bid of $3.3 billion. Boeing expects to hire 1200 workers in Washington for the 7E7 but didn't have to guarantee that number. Let's see best case $3,300,000,000 divided by 1200 workers is $2,750,000 per expected worker.

I started a business in Washington 13 years ago and now have 37 workers. 37 times $2,750,000 is $101,750,000. Where do I apply to get my payoff?

You can sure tell the politicians are not spending their own money when they go after these big company plants.

Assembly lines aint cheap. There is more to it than just worker expenses. A chip fab costs $1B+ not counting the labor to man it.
I guess paying $3B to bring in business is a bit much.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Same deal here in Washington. Boeing holds a lottery for the assembly line for the new 7E7 commercial jet. Washington "wins" with a bid of $3.3 billion. Boeing expects to hire 1200 workers in Washington for the 7E7 but didn't have to guarantee that number. Let's see best case $3,300,000,000 divided by 1200 workers is $2,750,000 per expected worker.

I started a business in Washington 13 years ago and now have 37 workers. 37 times $2,750,000 is $101,750,000. Where do I apply to get my payoff?

You can sure tell the politicians are not spending their own money when they go after these big company plants.

Assembly lines aint cheap. There is more to it than just worker expenses. A chip fab costs $1B+ not counting the labor to man it.
I guess paying $3B to bring in business is a bit much.

A bit much? Show me in the Consitution or any State Constitution where it says we must pay off Corporate Thugs.

 

gsaldivar

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Show me in the Consitution or any State Constitution where it says we must pay off Corporate Thugs.

Show me in the Constitution where it says that Corporations must provide a community with permanent employment, full benefits, as well as kickbacks for union bosses and corrupt politicians.

:beer:
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: gsaldivar
Show me in the Consitution or any State Constitution where it says we must pay off Corporate Thugs.

Show me in the Constitution where it says that Corporations must provide a community with permanent employment, full benefits, as well as kickbacks for union bosses and corrupt politicians.

:beer:

It doesn't, that's why good riddance to them. Let real Americans start up real competition as the Constitution does guaranty but has been thrown out in favor of the Corporations.

 

gsaldivar

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It doesn't, that's why good riddance to them. Let real Americans start up real competition as the Constitution does guaranty but has been thrown out in favor of the Corporations.

You really need to start taking your meds again, Dave.

:beer:
 

gsaldivar

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: gsaldivar
It doesn't, that's why good riddance to them. Let real Americans start up real competition as the Constitution does guaranty but has been thrown out in favor of the Corporations.

You really need to start taking your meds again, Dave.

:beer:

I can't, they're becoming illegal remember :D

LOL, you're right. :D
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: gsaldivar
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: gsaldivar
It doesn't, that's why good riddance to them. Let real Americans start up real competition as the Constitution does guaranty but has been thrown out in favor of the Corporations.

You really need to start taking your meds again, Dave.

:beer:

I can't, they're becoming illegal remember :D

LOL, you're right. :D

I still have my Tin Foil Hat though, just have to keep adding layers. Makes it heavier and heavier.


 

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Originally posted by: gsaldivar
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You know I recalled some people on these forums, blaming the bad Californian economy on liberals.

Most liberals are opposed to globalization, international trade, NAFTA etc.

Consequentially, they must be agains these 713,500 jobs, right?

:beer::D


Is that why Clinton promoted it and passed it through Congress and most Democrat's voted for it ?
 

gsaldivar

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Is that why Clinton promoted it and passed it through Congress and most Democrat's voted for it ?

NAFTA was bipartisan legislation.

In the House a majority of supporting votes came from Republicans, and more than 3/4 of the opposing votes were from Democrats.