California proposes to take control of your thermostat!

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Revision to building standards would make some power conservation mandatory

California utilities would control the temperature of new homes and commercial buildings in emergencies with a radio-controlled thermostat, under a proposed state update to building energy efficiency standards.

Customers could not override the thermostats during "emergency events," according to the proposal, part of a 236-page revision to building standards. The document is scheduled to be considered by the California Energy Commission, a state agency, on Jan. 30.

The description does not provide any exception for health or safety concerns. It also does not define what are "emergency events."

During heat waves, customers crank up the air conditioning, putting severe strains on the state's power supply. By giving utilities the power to automatically adjust power demand by reducing air conditioning, the hope is that more severe interruptions, such as rolling blackouts, can be avoided.

However, both the Utility Consumers Action Network, a consumer rights group, and the Riverside County Chapter of the Building Industry Association said customers should be allowed to override the thermostat.

State and utility spokespersons said utilities will provide health and safety exemptions, although that is not specified in the document. Imminent threats of blackouts would qualify as emergency events, they said. Final adoption of the revised standards is scheduled by April 2009.

The document, available at http://tinyurl.com/225htc, outlines the mandatory use of Programmable Communicating Thermostats on page 64:

"Upon receiving an emergency signal, the PCT shall respond to commands contained in the emergency signal, including changing the set-point by any number of degrees or to a specific temperature set-point. The PCT shall not allow customer changes to thermostat settings during emergency events."

The PCT specifications require them to include a "non-removable Radio Data System device that is compatible with the default statewide DR (Demand Response) communications system, which can be used by utilities to send price and emergency signals."
http://www.nctimes.com/article...ries/1_02_261_7_08.txt
 

everman

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Nov 5, 2002
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Big brother knows best.
And lets not do anything crazy like build more power plants, far better it is to give the gov control over your home.
 

FoBoT

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Apr 30, 2001
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what kind of person would be happy living in a state where the govt. can control the temperature of your house
 

Zenmervolt

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Oct 22, 2000
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That's when you build the house, have it inspected, then import a normal thermostat from Nevada and install the bloody thing yourself later.

ZV
 

PokerGuy

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Unfortunately, these wacky ideas that start in California have a habit of coming to other more sane states as well..... This better get nipped in the bud.
 

Anubis

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Aug 31, 2001
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so what would the set the temp at?

if this coudl keep the dumb women form setting the office temp near 80 im all for it
 

ElFenix

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Mar 20, 2000
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they wouldn't need it so much if they rolled out smart thermostats that charged people the actual market rate during the day instead of an average rate that actually incentives consumption of electricity during the day.
 

mugs

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Apr 29, 2003
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People will buy window air conditioners and put them in rooms where they won't affect the thermostat reading. God forbid people be the slightest bit uncomfortable. :Q
 

Rubycon

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Aug 10, 2005
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Is it hard to jump green, red and yellow together (when you want cooling, for example).

Just leave big brother's clock on the wall and put your own relay on the air handler wired to your own 'stat - problem solved. ;)

Most of the time what they're doing is leaving control up to the consumer and only disengaging the compressor relay on a/c units in time of peak demand for load shedding to reduce the need for rolling blackouts.

What if they made it mandatory that motherboards had radios present that allowed them to control cpu speed on pc's and would stop folding/distributed computing operations during peak demands? :Q
 

rbV5

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Dec 10, 2000
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I fully support the passage of Draconian laws to help stem the tide of illegal immigration :thumbsup:
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: rbV5
I fully support the passage of Draconian laws to help stop global warming :thumbsup:

fixed

global warming...we're talking air conditioning here, I'm not stupid:p
 

compman25

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Maybe they should set it up as a voluntary program and let all the greenies sign up for it.
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: compman25
Maybe they should set it up as a voluntary program and let all the greenies sign up for it.

or just stuff all the greenies into caves with no electricity, that should save some whales
 

ManyBeers

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Aug 30, 2004
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This is just another reason for every home and building having a self-contained nuclear powered
power source.
 

Linflas

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The comments on that linked story are pretty funny. It didn't take long for someone with Bush Derangement Syndrome to say it's Bush's fault.