California may issue I O U's

[badnewcastle]

Supposedly if you haven't file by February 2nd.

We should have been cutting programs years ago!!!!!!! Now we voted for bonds to fix the roads and schools, none of the money made it to where it was supposed to.

We've had libs running this state since Pete Wilson... they've done so so well. Don't say Arnold isn't a lib!

Arnold regardless of what he wants has to bend over and take from the unions and state senate/assembly. So the governorship has essentially been negated.

Also, kind of a funny thing happened this last election... we voted to give more rights to animals (prop 2) and take rights from people (prop 8)...

 

[StageLeft]

I am wondering what the fvck is wrong with CA? How can it suck so much? Is it illegal immigration? Weed-smoking hippies?

I am thinking for next year I may consider cutting withholdings of my NY state taxes because this state is in a bad way (not as bad, though) and an IOU sounds like horse crap to me, so those who end up paying would do better than those who are owed via an IOU.

 

[Genx87]

Is this even legal? If it is, it is a good lesson for the rest of the country.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Is this even legal? If it is, it is a good lesson for the rest of the country.

It's retarded. Basically, if you didn't lend the state money (ie. you owe money), then you're fine, but if you did lend them money for free (overpaid), not only do you get no interest on it, but you won't even get it back at all. Imagine if fed gov did this.

How many can really file by Feb 2? I file as early as I can and I've yet to receive all documentation in hand by Feb 2.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Genx87
Is this even legal? If it is, it is a good lesson for the rest of the country.

It's retarded. Basically, if you didn't lend the state money (ie. you owe money), then you're fine, but if you did lend them money for free (overpaid), not only do you get no interest on it, but you won't even get it back at all. Imagine if fed gov did this.

The federal government basically DOES do this...if you pay your mortgage on time, work productively, and don't make stupid investment or business decisions, they take your money and don't give it back. If you are deadbeat, unemployed, in debt, and make lousy business decisions, they give you welfare, unemployment, bankruptcy protection, capital loss writeoffs, and a multibillion dollar bailout both for corrupt business sleazeballs and irresponsible subprime home-scammers (if you don't put any money down and can't pay your mortgage you're not an owner).

The government :hearts; the stupid and corrupt, whether they are rich or poor. The government hates the responsible and the honest, and of course the middle-class.

 

[badnewcastle]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Genx87
Is this even legal? If it is, it is a good lesson for the rest of the country.

It's retarded. Basically, if you didn't lend the state money (ie. you owe money), then you're fine, but if you did lend them money for free (overpaid), not only do you get no interest on it, but you won't even get it back at all. Imagine if fed gov did this.

How many can really file by Feb 2? I file as early as I can and I've yet to receive all documentation in hand by Feb 2.

I can't imagine that many being able to file by then as W-2's will barely make it.

It is legal and they did it back in 1992 and paid 5% interest... <- doesn't make it suck any less...

You mentioned immigration, this is a small part of the problem... well according the US Supreme Court if a kid shows up to school they must be taught regardless of immigration status. In CA this is take 2 steps further:

a: more illegals then anywhere else.
b: the students don't have to speak English, the teachers must speak Spanish.

Don't even get me started on health care and immigration!!! But seems like every other month we here about a major Hospital being closed.

 

[mugs]

No source, and the OP confuses tax return and tax refund?

 

[Mill]

California *was* Mexico less than 165 years ago. Why is anyone shocked that it has a large population that speaks Spanish?

Blaming illegals might be the easiest way to make Californians feel better about their situation but it is far from being accurate.

California is a large state that grew too fast. Because of that it has high administrative costs (large bureaucracy) and high living expenses. Furthermore, the tax base has been unable to keep up with the expansion in state services due to things like a cap on property taxes, unfunded mandates, uncontrolled spending, massive growth in state employeement, a crumbling education system, and the largest prison population in the U.S.

Blaming "illegals" might make slightly more sense (although it is usually a red herring) if California was in the Midwest or had a small Hispanic population until the last decade. California has ALWAYS had a large Hispanic population, and has always imported workers from Mexico and Central America to work in agricultural jobs (especially during WWI and WWII -- e.g. the Bracero Program). Border restrictions over the last several decades led to many temporary workers staying in California rather than crossing the border back and forth to work and faltering economic conditions in Mexico in the 1980's and 1990's (as the Mexican Miracle was over and Mexico faced economic and growing pains) also contributed in a very large way.

Finally, Californians pay out significant tax revenue to the Federal Government and receive peanuts in return. For every dollar they send to Washington they get 0.81 cents in return. Hardly a fair deal.

 

[badnewcastle]

Originally posted by: mugs
No source, and the OP confuses tax return and tax refund?

Didn't think I needed a source it was all over the news yesterday. Fixed the return/refund for you.

Here's your source...

 

[winnar111]

They ought to stop dumping money into health care and that kind of crap.

 

[badnewcastle]

Originally posted by: Mill
California *was* Mexico less than 165 years ago. Why is anyone shocked that it has a large population that speaks Spanish?

Blaming illegals might be the easiest way to make Californians feel better about their situation but it is far from being accurate.

I wasn't trying to soley blame them if you go back up and read my last post you will see IMO it was a small part of the problem...

Maybe to you it doesn't matter that we won the war and CA is NO LONGER MEXICO.

California is a large state that grew too fast. Because of that it has high administrative costs (large bureaucracy) and high living expenses. Furthermore, the tax base has been unable to keep up with the expansion in state services due to things like a cap on property taxes, unfunded mandates, uncontrolled spending, massive growth in state employeement, a crumbling education system, and the largest prison population in the U.S.

Thank you for adding some more reasons... IMO this list could go on and on. Maybe it doesn't matter that we won the war and CA is NO LONGER MEXICO.

Blaming "illegals" might make slightly more sense (although it is usually a red herring) if California was in the Midwest or had a small Hispanic population until the last decade. California has ALWAYS had a large Hispanic population, and has always imported workers from Mexico and Central America to work in agricultural jobs (especially during WWI and WWII -- e.g. the Bracero Program). Border restrictions over the last several decades led to many temporary workers staying in California rather than crossing the border back and forth to work and faltering economic conditions in Mexico in the 1980's and 1990's (as the Mexican Miracle was over and Mexico faced economic and growing pains) also contributed in a very large way.

Having a large Hispanic population and a large illegal population are 2 different things and CA has both. I personally like the Hispanic population both immigrant and native as long as they are legal and pay into the system like the rest of us. But expecting free healthcare from any emergency room is only the beginning of my frustrations.

Finally, Californians pay out significant tax revenue to the Federal Government and receive peanuts in return. For every dollar they send to Washington they get 0.81 cents in return. Hardly a fair deal.

Couldn't agree more with this statement! It wasn't my intention to blame illegals as I know they are only a small part of the overall picture.

Another example would be Cal State Long Beach having 200 administrative assistants making $100k+/year. I don't have a source other then this is a frustration of several of their professors because many of them don't actually do anything to contribute to the university. Multiply that across the cal state system and I'm sure you could find billions of waste there.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: badnewcastle

Originally posted by: mugs
No source, and the OP confuses tax return and tax refund?

Didn't think I needed a source it was all over the news yesterday. Fixed the return/refund for you.

Here's your source...

Why not fix your headline to this topic as well.

"California may delay tax refunds amid budget impasse"

Also it was the Republican Gov that vetoed the Dems to make this happen.

 

[compuwiz1]

Hey, dude, the whole world has problems. Why should we care about whiney California, the biggest resource hog on the west coast?

 

[badnewcastle]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Why not fix your headline to this topic as well.

"California may delay tax refunds amid budget impasse"

FIXED. Although I'm pretty sure it's going to happen. And it would be copyright infringement.

Also it was the Republican Gov that vetoed the Dems to make this happen.

Yeah well the alternative is insane taxes as if we aren't already paying a ton. I more then agree with his veto.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

IOU's ???? lol......have fun with the riots.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
IOU's ???? lol......have fun with the riots.

People that are productive and pay taxes don't riot, we just bend over and take it up the ass, all the while the leeches with their voting power keep voting in worthless dirtbags into Congress.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Genx87
Is this even legal? If it is, it is a good lesson for the rest of the country.

It's retarded. Basically, if you didn't lend the state money (ie. you owe money), then you're fine, but if you did lend them money for free (overpaid), not only do you get no interest on it, but you won't even get it back at all. Imagine if fed gov did this.

How many can really file by Feb 2? I file as early as I can and I've yet to receive all documentation in hand by Feb 2.

Actually you are supposed to get 5% interest. I heard this on npr but it was in passing so I have no other information.

i'm 1099 btw and haven't given them anything for the year yet so I'm good

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: badnewcastle
Supposedly if you haven't file by February 2nd.

We should have been cutting programs years ago!!!!!!! Now we voted for bonds to fix the roads and schools, none of the money made it to where it was supposed to.

We've had libs running this state since Pete Wilson... they've done so so well. Don't say Arnold isn't a lib!

Arnold regardless of what he wants has to bend over and take from the unions and state senate/assembly. So the governorship has essentially been negated.

Also, kind of a funny thing happened this last election... we voted to give more rights to animals (prop 2) and take rights from people (prop 8)...

Standby, another Blue State is on the same track as CA. WA projects more than $5B in deficit which is more than double the anticipated $2B. This $2B amount was mentioned last election and GOV G. continue to deny the State has such a deficit instead it has surplus. Now the election is over, realty sets in at $5B deficit.

 

[AreaCode7O7]

CA individuals can get arrested for non-payment of taxes. Seems CA government leaders should at least be impeached for non-repayment of taxes.

[edit] I'm a CA living in WA and waiting for it to happen here. I can't believe we actually re-elected Gregoire knowing what the deficit is coming out of her last term.

 

[AreaCode7O7]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Hey, dude, the whole world has problems. Why should we care about whiney California, the biggest resource producer on the west coast?

Fixed for you. But I left in the whiny part; that's accurate.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
IOU's ???? lol......have fun with the riots.

People that are productive and pay taxes don't riot, we just bend over and take it up the ass, all the while the leeches with their voting power keep voting in worthless dirtbags into Congress.

/thread win

 

[maddogchen]

California tax payers should be sending in their taxes with IOUs

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: badnewcastle
Supposedly if you haven't file by February 2nd.

We should have been cutting programs years ago!!!!!!! Now we voted for bonds to fix the roads and schools, none of the money made it to where it was supposed to.

Perhaps there are some more cuts to make. The people who we should NOT listen to on where to make them are the radical nutty corrupt far-right Republicans in our state.

Links to 'none of the money' going to the programs?

We've had libs running this state since Pete Wilson... they've done so so well. Don't say Arnold isn't a lib!

Arnold isn't a lib. He just vetoed the Democrats' budget, again, demanding more cuts. That's not a 'lib'. He's just not quite as bad as the other Republicans.

And Pete Wilson was a Republican, not a 'lib'. We've had Republican governors for years until Gray Davis, who the radical right got recalled for all the wrong reasons.

Namely three reasons:

- For his no longer suspending the vehicle fee that it turns out was just the right amount to have balanced our budget (he had the correct position).

- For the energy problems, especiall Enron - but Davis was the enemy of Enron, refusing to let them off with a sweetheart deal; Arnold is their close ally, and signed it.

- For allegations Davis took too many campaign contribution; Arnold promised to use his own wealth and not take them, and then took more than Davis ever had.

Arnold regardless of what he wants has to bend over and take from the unions and state senate/assembly. So the governorship has essentially been negated.

Tell it to the veto he issued yesterday. But I'll agree if you put a democrat in the 'useless' governor's office.

Also, kind of a funny thing happened this last election... we voted to give more rights to animals (prop 2) and take rights from people (prop 8)...

We agree on something. Shows that the bigotry doesn't exist on farm animals; there was no Mormon and Catholic Church fighting against farm animals.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Hey, dude, the whole world has problems. Why should we care about whiney California, the biggest resource hog on the west coast?

Who forced you to click the thread?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I am wondering what the fvck is wrong with CA? How can it suck so much? Is it illegal immigration? Weed-smoking hippies?

It doesn't suck that much, but the problems are largely caused by the radical, nutty, corrupt Republicans and our ridiculous 2/3 requirement for any tax increases.

What that means is that if 60% of the public decides it wants a level of spending and to raise a tax to pay for it, too bad.

However, the democrats - while I like them a lot overall here - are not perfect in all this. We could use some *responsible* Reublican balance, but we don't have that.