So they CAN choose to be heterosexual then right?How is it eviscerated? Lots of people of different sexual orientations want to pass on their and their partners traits, genetic lineage, etc.
Well we could for instance look at identical twins. How many identical twins do you know who have different eye color?I'd like to to show us some scientific evidence that you didn't choose your eye color.
A number of twin studies have attempted to compare the relative importance of genetics and environment in the causation of sexual orientation. In a 1991 study, Bailey and Pillard found that 52% of monozygotic (MZ) brothers and 22% of the dizygotic (DZ) twins were concordant for homosexuality. 'MZ' indicates identical twins with the same sets of genes and 'DZ' indicates fraternal twins where genes are mixed to a similar extent as non-twin siblings. In 2000 Bailey, Dunne and Martin found similar results from a larger sample of 4,901 Australian twins. Self reported zygosity, sexual attraction, fantasy and behaviours were assessed by questionnaire and zygosity was serologically checked when in doubt. They found 20% concordance in the male identical or MZ twins and 24% concordance for the female identical or MZ twins. A meta-study by Hershberger (2001) compares the results of eight different twin studies: among those, all but two showed MZ twins having much higher concordance of sexual orientation than DZ twins, suggesting a non-negligible genetic component.
Bearman and Bruckman (2002) criticized early studies of concentrating on small, select samples and non-representative selection of their subjects. They studied 289 pairs of identical twins (monozygotic or from one fertilized egg) and 495 pairs of fraternal twins (dizygotic or from two fertilized eggs) and found concordance rates for same-sex attraction of only 7.7% for male identical twins and 5.3% for females, a pattern which they say "does not suggest genetic influence independent of social context."
A 2010 study of all adult twins in Sweden (more than 7,600 twins) found that same-sex behavior was explained by both heritable factors and individual-specific environmental sources (such as prenatal environment, experience with illness and trauma, as well as peer groups, and sexual experiences), while influences of shared-environment variables such as familial environment and societal attitudes had a weaker, but significant effect. Women showed a statistically non-significant trend to weaker influence of hereditary effects, while men showed no effect of shared environmental effects. The use of all adult twins in Sweden was designed to address the criticism of volunteer studies, in which a potential bias towards participation by gay twins may influence the results (see below).
Overall, the environment shared by twins (including familial and societal attitudes) explained 017% of the choice of sexual partner, genetic factors 1839% and the unique environment 6166%. The individual's unique environment includes, for example, circumstances during pregnancy and childbirth, physical and psychological trauma (e.g., accidents, violence, and disease), peer groups (other than those shared with a twin), and sexual experiences. In men, genetic effects explained .34.39 of the variance, the shared environment .00, and the individual-specific environment .61.66 of the variance. Corresponding estimates among women were .18.19 for genetic factors, .16.17 for shared environmental, and .64.66 for unique environmental factors.
Twin studies have received a number of criticisms including self-selection bias where homosexuals with gay siblings are more likely to volunteer for studies. Nonetheless, it is possible to conclude that, given the difference in sexuality in so many sets of identical twins, sexual orientation cannot be purely caused by genetics.
Well, sexuality isn't really a medical issue.http://news.yahoo.com/california-law-bans-gay-teen-conversion-therapy-053700163.html
I wonder how they plan on enforcing this considering doctor/patient privilege. Seems like something that would be easy to circumvent.
Not sure how I feel about this yet.. I have 2 gay friends that went through this "therapy" growing up at the behest of their parents. In both cases, it was one of those extreme "pray the gay away" type camps run by religious leaders (not doctors). In both cases, they feel it set them back (in life) quite a bit, and made things much worse in an already difficult time.
On the other hand, I worry about the bill encroaching into medical therapy practice creating a situation where even approaching the subject of sexuality is avoided due to fear of repercussions. That being said, the major behavioral science associations in the state seem to support it, so I guess they would know better than I would.
So you eye color is a choice. Should the government ban colored contacts?I can put color contacts in my eyes! Clearly eye color is a choice!
Lots of things are in accordance with nature.Scientifically and medically speaking sexual orientation is not a disorder in any way.And in accordance with Nature itself.
There is nothing to be cured at all.
Are they going to cure jewishness then?The lefhanded?
Because most medical therapies have to be approved as such with lots of evidence, so that you don't get some self-proclaimed doctor going around claiming that he can cure <insert incurable disease here> and all he needs is your credit card number. If such people were allowed to do that sort of thing, then a) they could be doing a lot more harm than good and/or b) they're probably engaging in fraudulent behaviour anyway because they know that they can't do what they claim.If people want treatment then let them get it, why are you against this?
I doubt that organisations claiming they can convert people with homosexual inclinations can come up with adequate evidence to that effect. Considering also that most developed countries' medical bodies have declared homosexuality to be not any sort of disease or aberration, organisations claiming the contrary would have to have an enormous amount of decent evidence to prove their case against the enormous pile of evidence against them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorderA mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological pattern or anomaly, potentially reflected in behavior, that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development of a person's culture
I would be quite surprised if someone who is homosexual and is seeking conversion therapy hasn't been coerced/pressured into doing it by a bunch of idiots around them who think that heterosexuality is the only way one can be normal.Is it a associated with distress? If they are seeking conversion therapy clearly yes.
If someone is homosexual and thinks that they ought to be able to engage in reproductive sex with their homosexual partner, then it's not therapy they need, it's education. Something tells me that this isn't a common scenario.Is is associated with disability? It would seem to clearly retard reproductive ability.
You think that only 4% of the world population is homosexual or bisexual? I strongly suggest you pursue the education optionIs it not normal development? Given that maybe 2% are homosexual and another 2% are bisexual this would also seem to be true.
Please, enlighten us, since you seem to have all the answers. How much of the population would you say is homosexual?No.
I would be quite surprised if someone who is homosexual and is seeking conversion therapy hasn't been coerced/pressured into doing it by a bunch of idiots around them who think that heterosexuality is the only way one can be normal.
If someone is homosexual and thinks that they ought to be able to engage in reproductive sex with their homosexual partner, then it's not therapy they need, it's education. Something tells me that this isn't a common scenario.
You think that only 4% of the world population is homosexual or bisexual? I strongly suggest you pursue the education option
It is a primal instinct, but so is a gay man's instinct to be with men. A gay man would no more enjoy sex with a woman than you would enjoy sex with a man, and they can no more refrain from an interest in men than you can refrain from an interest in women.Er what? Are you really going to sit and argue that the biological need to reproduce and propagate the species is a choice and not a primal instinct? Not sure you want to go down that road.
"Somehow" is an apt description. They have to desperately twist and distort their mind in order to end up that way. Even reading the accounts of current ex-gays who claim to have a happy life, you get this creepy Stepford Wives feel from them, like they've had a significant part of their nature lobotomized (because they have). The vast majority of people who go through this "treatment", however, don't come out that way.I have not had the therapy
And your point is kind of eviscerated by the # of gay people who somehow have children in a heterosexual relationship.