News California judge sides with teachers who say their religion requires them to out trans kids

[mikeymikec]

Judge sides with teachers who say their religion requires them to out trans kids

The school tried to protect trans kids but the judge said that the teacher's religious right to out students is more important...

www.lgbtqnation.com

Imagine believing that your right to your belief in sky fairies trumps the safety of children. The mind boggles.

 

[Jaskalas]

“If a school student expresses words or actions during class that may be the first visible sign that the child is dealing with gender incongruity or possibly gender dysphoria, conditions that may (or may not) progress into significant, adverse, life-long social-emotional health consequences, would it be lawful for the school to require teachers to hide the event from the parents?” Benitez continued.

That's an interesting question.
I am no expert on excluding parents from their children's lives. I appreciate there are circumstances where abuse may occur, but to presume all parents are automatically guilty of abuse to the point of lying to and hiding critical (mental) health information of ALL children from ALL parents.... To automatically deprive all parents of parental rights. That's one hell of a mess to sort out.

 

[VashHT]

That's an interesting question.
I am no expert on excluding parents from their children's lives. I appreciate there are circumstances where abuse may occur, but to presume all parents are automatically guilty of abuse to the point of lying to and hiding critical (mental) health information of ALL children from ALL parents.... To automatically deprive all parents of parental rights. That's one hell of a mess to sort out.

So you think it's ok to sacrifice some kids to abuse because of "parental rights". Makes far more sense to let the kid judge if they think it's safe to let their parents know.

 

[WelshBloke]

That's an interesting question.
I am no expert on excluding parents from their children's lives. I appreciate there are circumstances where abuse may occur, but to presume all parents are automatically guilty of abuse to the point of lying to and hiding critical (mental) health information of ALL children from ALL parents.... To automatically deprive all parents of parental rights. That's one hell of a mess to sort out.

Weird but I've never considered that my parental rights involved someone reporting back everything my child says!

 

[tweaker2]

If religion was left out of this equation it'd be a whole different thing wouldn't it? To use religion as a reason to expose what they think is a "gender incongruity or possibly gender dysphoria issue" is taking freedom of religion one step too far into the realm of theological overreach.

So where is that line where a person's religion can violate a person's right to have freedom from religion? Is this an example of the SCOTUS being controlled by religious conservatives have now emboldened the religious whackjobs of the nation into believing that their religious beliefs give them the right to castigate, persecute and criminalize their fellow Americans because their Book of Rules have been conveniently humanly interpreted into giving them permission to execute this "inalienable right" they claim is above all others?

It seems to me if confidentiality and mutual respect are in play, there can be an acceptable procedure for informing the parents of the child in question as to the welfare of said child. However, it may all come down to a certain public school teacher refusing to teach a child because it violates the religious beliefs of said teacher. Not saying it's going to, jst saying the way things are going at the moment, it'll happen sooner or later in a bible belt state.

 

[sdifox]

The teachers can freely exercise their religion by resigning. They don't get to violate trans kids' privacy.

 

[K1052]

The teachers can freely exercise their religion by resigning. They don't get to violate trans kids' privacy.

In the eyes of conservatives on the courts the rights of Christians are the paramount consideration in all cases. They don't care about or what happens to anybody else.

 

[mikeymikec]

That's an interesting question.
I am no expert on excluding parents from their children's lives. I appreciate there are circumstances where abuse may occur, but to presume all parents are automatically guilty of abuse to the point of lying to and hiding critical (mental) health information of ALL children from ALL parents.... To automatically deprive all parents of parental rights. That's one hell of a mess to sort out.

All that this is about is authority abusing their power to endanger minority children while pretending to have a righteous cause, and yet "ooh, let's agonize over a hypothetical". No doubt the judge felt compelled to come up with the hypothetical perhaps because it's taking the farce of justice just a little too far to think for more than a split second that those bigoted teachers really have the childrens' best interests at heart.

I'm perfectly happy to entertain a hypothetical once it's been established that the players aren't trying to endanger the child involved. Even then, that hypothetical would have to be an extreme one such as the child talking about suicide. Having said that, I'm sure there are multitudes of reasonable social workers who would have a better plans than to out a kid who chose to tell people other than their parents first, or at least to come up with some sensible contingency plans.

The existing law could probably be left in place but with a loophole that provided that a judge, a social worker and a psychologist have signed off that the extreme circumstances warrant outing the kid.

 

[mikeymikec]

The teachers can freely exercise their religion by resigning. They don't get to violate trans kids' privacy.

In a sane society they should have been struck off the moment they made their crusade official.

 

[HomerJS]

Why is it Christians are the only ones allowed to foist their beliefs on others?

 

[kt]

That's an interesting question.
I am no expert on excluding parents from their children's lives. I appreciate there are circumstances where abuse may occur, but to presume all parents are automatically guilty of abuse to the point of lying to and hiding critical (mental) health information of ALL children from ALL parents.... To automatically deprive all parents of parental rights. That's one hell of a mess to sort out.

This has nothing to do with parental rights. This is about Christian conservatives shoving all LGBTQ+ children back into the closet and keep them there by intimidation. Who is the better judge of the home environment? The children who live in it everyday, or some teachers who have never been in it? Children who feel safe in their home environment would have no problem communicating their feelings to their parents. Tell me you're not a parent without telling me you're not a parent.

 

[woolfe9998]

Where does the Bible say that thou shalt report suspected transgenderism of a child to his parents? It says nothing on the topic whatsoever. Nor does it say you can't bake a cake for a gay wedding. Or that you can't be vaccninated.

This idea that your religion commands whatever you say it commands is a dangerous slippery slope.

 

[WelshBloke]

Where does the Bible say that thou short report suspected transgenderism of a child to his parents? It says nothing on the topic whatsoever. Nor does it say you can't bake a cake for a gay wedding. Or that you can't be vaccninated.

This idea that your religion commands whatever you say it commands is a dangerous slippery slope.

You absolutely know that they are breaking the laws that their religion already has but they don't worry about that as long as they get to bully people they don't approve of!

 

[Moonbeam]

This is a conflict of absolutes, in my opinion. Parental rights over Government dictation of how to raise children can only exist with certain limitations. Parents can't illegally abuse their children and the state has a right to remove children from abusive situations. Similarly, the government can't dictate religious beliefs nor deny teachers their religious beliefs. People are entitled to believe whatever imbecility masking as religious they desire. The best way to meet in the middle of these two fundamental principles, in my opinion, would be to allow parents who object to teachers informing them of children expressing interest in what some religious nut case believes is the duty is to sue them in court for violation of the parents' belief that their child's religious freedom to think for themselves was violated. A few massive fines to school systems and individual teachers might damper this outing desire.

Alternatively, perhaps weighting down such teachers with chains and throwing them in a river somewhere, awaiting God saving them and thus showing His agreement could also determine what God believes.

 

[Moonbeam]

You absolutely know that they are breaking the laws that their religion already has but they don't worry about that as long as they get to bully people they don't approve of!

People who hate themselves feel damned by God, the result of child abuse, and like Stockholm survivors seek to curry favor to escape those feelings of guilt. The arrogation of the right to judgment puts the psychologically deranged in the cat bird seat.

 

[sandorski]

Where does the Bible say that thou short report suspected transgenderism of a child to his parents? It says nothing on the topic whatsoever. Nor does it say you can't bake a cake for a gay wedding. Or that you can't be vaccninated.

This idea that your religion commands whatever you say it commands is a dangerous slippery slope.

Indeed. Sometimes God tells you to kill your children.

 

[Jaskalas]

Indeed. Sometimes God tells you to kill your children.

Andrea Yates?

Our problem might start when all parents are presumed guilty, treated as such, and denied any say in their child's lives. Especially on such important topics.

 

[brycejones]

Andrea Yates?

Our problem might start when all parents are presumed guilty, treated as such, and denied any say in their child's lives. Especially on such important topics.

Wow

 

[sandorski]

Andrea Yates?

Our problem might start when all parents are presumed guilty, treated as such, and denied any say in their child's lives. Especially on such important topics.

Abraham too.

Again, if Children are not telling their Parents, there is a reason for it. Also, isn't it interesting that those wanting this privilege also want to condemn Parents whose Children did tell them and pursued the Medically prescribed method of dealing with Trans issues?

Children are not the Property of their Parents.

 

[tweaker2]

That religious zealots believe they have the right to impose their beliefs on everyone else through their churches, their legislatures and their courts is something really perplexing to behold. Seeing as if there's no person or entity trying to deny them their right to practice their religion, why is it that they feel so threatened as to mount an aggressive offensive against the "heathen unbelievers" egged on by their clergy and their political cadre?

It seems as though once their church elders and their conservative politicians found common ground in their exploitation of dividing the masses in ways that favored both of their agendas they literally created a bond between the two that was made at the gates of hell. Their politicians having to rally their sheeple around their adulterous racist Orange One and their clergy having to rally their flock against "the spooky socialist gay loving baby murdering unbelievers" that are "dragging the nation into the fiery pits of hell."

 

[DrDoug]

There's no greater hate than Christian hate. Their god loves them so much that he has given them the power and permission to destroy the lives of those they want to hate, all while claiming to be a religion of peace and love. Talking about Christian love, do a search for "youth pastor arrested" to get endless examples of Christians sharing a bit too much of their (ahem) love with children.

Drag queens and LGBTQ+ accusations are Christian chaff being deployed to protect them from being noticed as the real groomers of children.

 

[senseamp]

Christian Ayatollahs on our courts are carving out special rights for their sect members over everyone else. Gutting the Constitution. The answer is to leave the churches until they stop interfering in our lives using their judges and politicians.

 

[Zorba]

This has nothing to do with parental rights. This is about Christian conservatives shoving all LGBTQ+ children back into the closet and keep them there by intimidation. Who is the better judge of the home environment? The children who live in it everyday, or some teachers who have never been in it? Children who feel safe in their home environment would have no problem communicating their feelings to their parents. Tell me you're not a parent without telling me you're not a parent.

I've known multiple kids that waited years to come out to their parents, even though they're parents couldn't care less. Kids are scared to tell their parents lots of things.

 

[Vic]

Weird how some Christians' religion requires them to do anything except be witnesses to Christ's grace and love for all of humanity.

 

[Iron Woode]

School boards all across the province of Ontario are wrestling with this issue now. Apparently, there is going to be some sort of protest on Sept 20 by those who hate.

Such a sad thing to see.

some info from an anti-hate group:

Important Context About the “1 Million March 4 Children”

Anti-2SLGBTQ+ activists have organized a “1 Million March 4 Children” on September 20th. They want to eliminate Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity (SOGI) curriculum and policies from Canadian schools. Here are the people behind it.

www.antihate.ca

Numerous demonstrations are planned to occur under the “1 Million March 4 Children” banner at legislatures, city halls, and school board offices across the country on September 20th. These demonstrations seek to eliminate Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity (SOGI) curriculum and policies from Canadian schools. Here is what we know so far:

• These protests are supported by a big tent of far-right and conspiratorial groups, including Christian Nationalists, COVID-19 conspiracy theorists, sovereign citizens, and anti-public education activists.
• There are at least two “brands” involved in the planned events for September 20th. Hands Off Our Kids and Family ❤️Freedom are organizing under the hashtag #1MillionMarch4Children (see below for details).
• There is a significant amount of internal conflict and confusion within the social media groups for each brand. The primary source of this conflict is over religiosity and public messaging. Hands Off Our Kids is run by conservative Muslim activists who have made explicit anti-gay and anti-LGBTQ+ statements. Family ❤️Freedom is more secular and claims to accept 2SLGBTQ+ persons as part of their anti-2SLGBTQ+ demonstration.
• The degree of local organizing varies widely. Some of the protest locations seem to only have a poster created by one of the national organizers, with no obvious local buy in. Other locations have march routes, event sponsors, and local contact names.
• Some planned protests appear to be supported by both brands, but others appear to only be organized or supported by one of the two. In some cases, protests seem to be planned for two separate locations within a city at the same time.
• Local activists can and should prepare to counter-demonstrate. Find out what is happening in your city and in the region on the 20th, and make plans with local community partners, including unions and community solidarity organizations. Check out our Pride Defence Guide for safety tips and ideas.