California is a very different kind of state

[Narmer]

The government of California acts as if it's a country unto itself. It has the 6th largest economy in the world. But more importantly it's exercising all it's right as a state in the American union. While I'm sure this trend isn't new, it does seems to be giving a big middle finger to the powers that be in Washington D.C. for not doing what is good for America. More power to the people of California.

California Passes anti-Sudan law

California passes anti-emission law

California working with Great Britain on Climate Change

California sues 6 car companies over emission violations

 

[Witling]

I live in the East Bay area, in one of the towns adjacent to Berkeley. If you want to see the future, come here. In California as a whole, whites are a minority. In the Bay Area, any public function looks like a U.N. meeting. I feel sorry for people who can't handle this, it's going to be the future.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Witling
I live in the East Bay area, in one of the towns adjacent to Berkeley. If you want to see the future, come here. In California as a whole, whites are a minority. In the Bay Area, any public function looks like a U.N. meeting. I feel sorry for people who can't handle this, it's going to be the future.

Donde esta el biblioteca?

Como como? Como como como.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Witling
I live in the East Bay area, in one of the towns adjacent to Berkeley. If you want to see the future, come here. In California as a whole, whites are a minority. In the Bay Area, any public function looks like a U.N. meeting. I feel sorry for people who can't handle this, it's going to be the future.

Well it couold be worse, it could be like it was during the depression when all the Okies migrated there. Ever been to Bakersfield? If California turned out like that it would really suck.

 

[Hacp]

Bush wants to dump but not flush.

 

[Witling]

Cappy, Get used to it! ¡Que será será! It may be a Spanish speaking problem for you, but here in the Bay Area, Spanish speakers are just one part of the mixture. Incidentally, socialogists have never been able to successfully stop a trend. And the border fence isn't going to do it either. Human beings migrate. Welcome to the migration.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Witling
Cappy, Get used to it! ¡Que será será! It may be a Spanish speaking problem for you, but here in the Bay Area, Spanish speakers are just one part of the mixture. Incidentally, socialogists have never been able to successfully stop a trend. And the border fence isn't going to do it either. Human beings migrate. Welcome to the migration.

Having grown up in the San Diego aera, including High School in El Centro - it doesn't bother me at all.
Even living in Tejas, it's NOT the Mexicanos that are the problem.

There are 3 discreet problems, long necks, short necks, and RED NECKS.
Drinks, more drinks, and the drinkers.

 

[Moonbeam]

The economy is large and diverse and there's more than one way to get rich other than founding some televangelist fundamental Christian Ministry that require dumbing down the population to maintain good pickings.

 

[Lemon law]

The states that bring us the most recent Presidents are California and Texas---in Texas the govornor is a very weak politically--and in fact Texas was almost founded to limit the power of State Government---in California its the ballot iniative.

But both Texas and California have economies that are huge---are peopled by pragmatic and hardworking people---yet both States seem the nut producing capitals of the world when it comes to politicians.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Witling
Cappy, Get used to it! Que sera sera! It may be a Spanish speaking problem for you, but here in the Bay Area, Spanish speakers are just one part of the mixture. Incidentally, socialogists have never been able to successfully stop a trend. And the border fence isn't going to do it either. Human beings migrate. Welcome to the migration.

that's french, btw

 

[Witling]

Lemon, yes, they do seem to produce more than their share of political wackos. I think it might be because there's a lot of freedom to express wachy opinions here. On the other hand, maybe it's because of the rays they beam at our brains! ;>)

 

[Lemon law]

aw shucks---I still think Texas took the cake when they elected Pappy O'Donnel if I have my spelling correct.

But for political opportunism--Swartsenagger is in the running.---and cheer up Witling---He likely to BE BACK.

But only Nixon could have thunk up the hollow pumkin explanation.

With Kellogg Brown &Root--now part of Halliburton being in the political corruption business since the great depression.

Two States---and so hard to choose a winner---who will they come up with next?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
aw shucks---I still think Texas took the cake when they elected Pappy O'Donnel if I have my spelling correct.

But for political opportunism--Swartsenagger is in the running.---and cheer up Witling---He likely to BE BACK.

But only Nixon could have thunk up the hollow pumkin explanation.

With Kellogg Brown &Root--now part of Halliburton being in the political corruption business since the great depression.

Two States---and so hard to choose a winner---who will they come up with next?

Last night there was the Great Texas Governor Wanabee Debate . . .
Starring Rick 'Good-Hair' Perry
Grandma Mac (Scott McClellen's mother) Strayhorn
Chris 'Gomer' Bell
and Kinky 'Kooky' Friedman
of course the libertarian was excluded from the conversation.

The most accurate thing that was said by any of the candidates came from Friedman when he defined POLITICS:
politics: "Poli means more than one. Ticks are bloodsucking parasites."

 

[JEDIYoda]

when people ask me what state I live in...I always say the state of confusion since I live in california..lol

 

[Craig234]

I'm a native Californian who also lives in the east bay.

I'm pleased to have as my Congressman the "most liberal" member of Congress, Pete Stark, who I had the chance to say hello to again last Saturday at his 'town hall' meeting.

I think California is possibly the most confusing state politically. My favorite example is that we elected Ronald Reagan and Jerry Brown each to two terms as governor, next to each other.

The state has long been a leader. A century ago, it was a leader out of the gilded age where the public was so opressed, with the progressive governor Hiram Johnson introducing reforms such as the ballot initiative (even if it's been unfortunately corrupted by money now). The great governors republican Earl Warren and democrat Pat Brown led the golden age of the state as it became the envy of the nation in the 1950's and 1960's. (Earl Warren was so well thought of he was the nominee of BOTH the republicans and democrats). The state also showed what was to come as it began electing poor corporatist republican governors, and the state slid in all kinds of measures, such as school rankings. Now, we're about to re-elect the terrible, corrupt Arnold Schwarzeneggar over the excellent, but 'nerd poster boy' Phil Angiledes, and pay the price again.

But we're odd - we have a solidly democratic legislature (and two democratic senators) while we elect the republicans as governor. We're even about to elect, I think, Jerry Brown as our attorney general. That'll be fun to watch what he can do to tie Arnold's hands.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Narmer
More power to the people of California.

QFT! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Witling]

Craig234. You said, "I'm pleased to have as my Congressman the "most liberal" member of Congress, Pete Stark, . . ." I'll see you and raise you. Barbara Lee, as far as I know, she's the only congress person who voted against invading Afghanistan. Her suggestion was that we find out what happened first. Here locally it coined the bumper sticker, "Barbara Lee speaks for me."

 

[Craig234]

She is his main rival for the title, Witling, and Stark praises her highly. The title I referred to was bestowed by some group in the news recently. They're both great reps.

 

[BrownTown]

I know that currently being conservative is no the cool thing since President Bush is a terrible president and is associated with conservatism. However, California is just as bad on the other side of the spectrum. It pains me to say this, but some of the California politicians would be even worse then our country then George Bush, and I DESPISE George Bush. But that is becasue i strongly dislike people who are way to far on either end of the political specturum, and California is just way to liberal.

 

[Craig234]

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[sandorski]

From my distant vantage point I must agree that California is almost the second Capitol of the US. What other State has the power to mandate Vehicle Emissions and has used that power for decades?

By no means is California equivalent to Washington, DC, but as far as influencing the US goes no other State stands out like it does.

 

[Craig234]

Sandorski, sadly, while California has long passed emission restrictions which exceed the federal requirements, the Bush administration is arguing that California is not allowed to do so, because the federal limits take precedence.

This challenges the long-standing view that while states cannot pass laws which are *lower* than the federal standards which are viewed as a minimum, only the Bush administration is so controlled by corporate interests as to try to block California exceeding the standards.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Sandorski, sadly, while California has long passed emission restrictions which exceed the federal requirements, the Bush administration is arguing that California is not allowed to do so, because the federal limits take precedence.

This challenges the long-standing view that while states cannot pass laws which are *lower* than the federal standards which are viewed as a minimum, only the Bush administration is so controlled by corporate interests as to try to block California exceeding the standards.

Seriously? That's f***ed up.

 

[Todd33]

Stark is my Congressman too.

 

[tommywishbone]

Don't forget California's $8,000,000,000+ annual budget for its prison system. That's a great way to spend money. Police & prison guard unions run the state.

null What a waste.