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California Gets Cellular Bill of Rights

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Cell phone retailers lie about coverage -- this is why it's necessary. They have pimple-faced teenagers tryin' to make a buck peddling cell phones and promising 4-bars everywhere; the customer has no way of verifying actual coverage prior to signing the contract and has little recourse once that contract is signed.

-geoff
 
Originally posted by: db
"The California Public Utility Commission approved the first cellular customer Bill of Rights in the US, but the Governor disapproves.

"The Bill of Rights enables consumers to cancel their wireless contracts within 30 days of signing on. It also forces carriers to clearly state their rates as well as critical contract terms in normal size print on their websites (no more fine print). Companies will no longer be able to lump "recovery fees" in with taxes or other government fees on bills. Opponents say these new terms will create costly changes that the companies will have to pass on to the consumer. However many of the larger wireless operators already meet at least some of the requirements of the new law, though few meet them all or meet them fully. "

(etc, etc)

thefeature.com

Needs to be done on a federal level
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Pretty soon ALL contracts will be in 14 pt font picturebooks and/or presented in the form of a Barney video so every dullard can "understand" it.

While I agree with your opinions, I feel that your personal attack on a poster here who is both articulate and highly educated (he has a PhD for god's sake!) to be highly uncalled for.

😉
 
Anybody who has ever worked for a phone company (or who is smarter than the average Californian) will realize why things are the way they are.

ETF fees - Nobody likes them, but how else do you expect the cellular carrier to recoup the costs of the phone if you cancel?

Cancellation period - Most carriers are at least two weeks, sometimes 30 days depending on circumstances. If you can't figure out in two weeks that you don't want service you're an idiot. 14 days should be sufficient for no obligation cancel, though you should obviously still be accountable for usage & prorated charges for the time you used it. You'd be amazed how many people get a phone, rack up a few hundred minutes of usage, download a few ringtones, etc. then decide they don't want it. What? I have to pay for my usage?

Recovery fees - If they're recovery fees for services mandated by the government they should be included with taxes & other regulatory fees. WLNP is an excellent example of this. Costly, inefficient, and mandated by the Feds.

Everyone seems certain the cell phone companies are out to screw them, they really aren't. If the consumer does their job (reads their contract, follows the terms, pays their bills, etc.) the providers generally will be fine.

Before anyone asks, yes I do work for T-mobile (evening job). I am also a T-mobile customer, and have been long prior to my working for them. I have four lines of service & spend nearly $150 a month on wireless service. Other than the normal limitations of cellular technology I haven't had any difficulty.

I know quite a bit about T-Mobile's policies, & they are VERY customer friendly. Far more so than I would have made them if I were a provider. If you try to abuse that, however, you won't get far.

Viper GTS
 
Originally posted by: Ness
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Oh, you think you *DESERVE* to have the world handed to you on a silver platter for free? Open your eyes. The cancellation fees are IN YOUR CONTRACT. If you are stupid enough to sign something that SPECIFICALLY OUTLINES THE AMOUNT OF MONEY NEEDED TO CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT EARLY without actually reading it then acting surprised when they tell you to hold up your end of the agreement that YOU SIGNED, then you get what you deserve!

Spare me. If you signed up expecting it to work in specific areas because you were told by the ads/salesperson that is was "Nationwide" coverage then you should sure as hell be able to cancel without a fee when it doesn't. This bill allows cancelations within 30 days. WTF is wrong with that?

Every carrier offers comprehensive coverage maps that fully detail the holes in their coverage.

If you're too lazy to read the fine print, why should everyone else be made to pay for it?

No, most carriers offer a brocure with a picture of the United states that is about 5x7 with some area colored that specifies coverage, another color for limited coverage, or a color for no coverage. They offer a similar picture with the state, sometimes (on local-only plans, usually)

I fail to see how a 5x7 or smaller picture is "comprehensive", and aside from that, there is the possibility that it is WRONG or that coverage can get weaker than it says in cities, hills/mountains or forests.

If this policy states you are still liable for all fees already used, such as activation and the month's fees for when you got the phone, then I see no problem with this bill.

http://www.t-mobile.com/locator.asp?referer=/coverage/default.asp

Flash based, fairly comprehensive. Or, if you want to know about a specific address call the provider. We can tell down to a portion of a city block.

Of course a 8.5x11 brochure isn't going to have all that much info, it's simply a matter of space. The information is readily (and freely) available.

Viper GTS
 
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Anybody who has ever worked for a phone company (or who is smarter than the average Californian) will realize why things are the way they are.

ETF fees - Nobody likes them, but how else do you expect the cellular carrier to recoup the costs of the phone if you cancel?

Cancellation period - Most carriers are at least two weeks, sometimes 30 days depending on circumstances. If you can't figure out in two weeks that you don't want service you're an idiot. 14 days should be sufficient for no obligation cancel, though you should obviously still be accountable for usage & prorated charges for the time you used it. You'd be amazed how many people get a phone, rack up a few hundred minutes of usage, download a few ringtones, etc. then decide they don't want it. What? I have to pay for my usage?

Recovery fees - If they're recovery fees for services mandated by the government they should be included with taxes & other regulatory fees. WLNP is an excellent example of this. Costly, inefficient, and mandated by the Feds.

Everyone seems certain the cell phone companies are out to screw them, they really aren't. If the consumer does their job (reads their contract, follows the terms, pays their bills, etc.) the providers generally will be fine.

Before anyone asks, yes I do work for T-mobile (evening job). I am also a T-mobile customer, and have been long prior to my working for them. I have four lines of service & spend nearly $150 a month on wireless service. Other than the normal limitations of cellular technology I haven't had any difficulty.

I know quite a bit about T-Mobile's policies, & they are VERY customer friendly. Far more so than I would have made them if I were a provider. If you try to abuse that, however, you won't get far.

Viper GTS

Exactly- I sell Verizon and Sprint and dont see why 2 weeks isnt enough to test your phone in vital areas. Do you really think they should pay $200 of your new phone just to have you cancell whenever you want and not be penalized?
 
Originally posted by: Kyle
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Cancellation period - Most carriers are at least two weeks, sometimes 30 days depending on circumstances. If you can't figure out in two weeks that you don't want service you're an idiot. 14 days should be sufficient for no obligation cancel, though you should obviously still be accountable for usage & prorated charges for the time you used it. You'd be amazed how many people get a phone, rack up a few hundred minutes of usage, download a few ringtones, etc. then decide they don't want it. What? I have to pay for my usage?

Viper GTS

Exactly- I sell Verizon and Sprint and dont see why 2 weeks isnt enough to test your phone in vital areas. Do you really think they should pay $200 of your new phone just to have you cancell whenever you want and not be penalized?

I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way......
 
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Amused
Pretty soon ALL contracts will be in 14 pt font picturebooks and/or presented in the form of a Barney video so every dullard can "understand" it.

While I agree with your opinions, I feel that your personal attack on a poster here who is both articulate and highly educated (he has a PhD for god's sake!) to be highly uncalled for.

😉

I see the wink, but I'm still confused. Who, what, when and WTF??? 😕
 
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Wow. California did something GOOD, that I AGREE with?

/looks down into hell

I think I see ice forming.

Wow, there may be hope for CA yet...I guess I won't nuke it next week like I was planning to.

I'll buy you beer for life if you nuke California.

Says the guy from the state where people are defending killing thier own children based on the fact that thier great-grandparents were slaves.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Amused
Pretty soon ALL contracts will be in 14 pt font picturebooks and/or presented in the form of a Barney video so every dullard can "understand" it.

While I agree with your opinions, I feel that your personal attack on a poster here who is both articulate and highly educated (he has a PhD for god's sake!) to be highly uncalled for.

😉

I see the wink, but I'm still confused. Who, what, when and WTF??? 😕

LOL.
There's a poster on ATOT named Dullard.
I couldn't resist.
 
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Ness
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Oh, you think you *DESERVE* to have the world handed to you on a silver platter for free? Open your eyes. The cancellation fees are IN YOUR CONTRACT. If you are stupid enough to sign something that SPECIFICALLY OUTLINES THE AMOUNT OF MONEY NEEDED TO CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT EARLY without actually reading it then acting surprised when they tell you to hold up your end of the agreement that YOU SIGNED, then you get what you deserve!

Spare me. If you signed up expecting it to work in specific areas because you were told by the ads/salesperson that is was "Nationwide" coverage then you should sure as hell be able to cancel without a fee when it doesn't. This bill allows cancelations within 30 days. WTF is wrong with that?

Every carrier offers comprehensive coverage maps that fully detail the holes in their coverage.

If you're too lazy to read the fine print, why should everyone else be made to pay for it?

No, most carriers offer a brocure with a picture of the United states that is about 5x7 with some area colored that specifies coverage, another color for limited coverage, or a color for no coverage. They offer a similar picture with the state, sometimes (on local-only plans, usually)

I fail to see how a 5x7 or smaller picture is "comprehensive", and aside from that, there is the possibility that it is WRONG or that coverage can get weaker than it says in cities, hills/mountains or forests.

If this policy states you are still liable for all fees already used, such as activation and the month's fees for when you got the phone, then I see no problem with this bill.

http://www.t-mobile.com/locator.asp?referer=/coverage/default.asp

Flash based, fairly comprehensive. Or, if you want to know about a specific address call the provider. We can tell down to a portion of a city block.

Of course a 8.5x11 brochure isn't going to have all that much info, it's simply a matter of space. The information is readily (and freely) available.

Viper GTS

Fair enough. Do they ever write that you can find exact locations in the brochure? Seems like it could probably up people's certainty about their service if they did.
 
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Amused
Pretty soon ALL contracts will be in 14 pt font picturebooks and/or presented in the form of a Barney video so every dullard can "understand" it.

While I agree with your opinions, I feel that your personal attack on a poster here who is both articulate and highly educated (he has a PhD for god's sake!) to be highly uncalled for.

😉

I see the wink, but I'm still confused. Who, what, when and WTF??? 😕

LOL.
There's a poster on ATOT named Dullard.
I couldn't resist.

Ah!! OK, I see now. 😀
 
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