California Chrome might be held out of Belmont!!

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Lifer
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CC, winner of the first 2 races of the coveted triple crown wears a nasal strip just like the ones you can buy at the drugstore to help keep you nasal passages open, however Belmont officials have said he would NOT be allowed to wear one at Belmont claiming it might be a distraction for the other horses. His owners are so pissed they are now saying they will withdraw him from the race. What a load of F-ing manure, let him wear the god dam strip and let any other owner put one on their horse if they so desire and call it a day, it's not a drug so I'm not understanding what the issue is by letting him use one. CC is the "feel-good" story of racing, the horse is not from the type of bloodlines that win big races, his owners are not rich bastards just a team they named "Two dumb guys" LOL..http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/triplecrown2014/story/_/id/10949680/nasal-strip-threaten-california-chrome-triple-crown-bid
 

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Chill out. The owner is a shoot from the lip guy who says a lot of off the wall things.

If CC is held out it will be because the owner feels his horse hasn't rebounded well from the Preakness and he will be worth more as a winner of two legs of the triple crown who didn't race in the Belmont, rather than a loser in the Belmont.
 

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Chill out. The owner is a shoot from the lip guy who says a lot of off the wall things.

If CC is held out it will be because the owner feels his horse hasn't rebounded well from the Preakness and he will be worth more as a winner of two legs of the triple crown who didn't race in the Belmont, rather than a loser in the Belmont.

That's ridiculous, it's been around 35 years since it's been a TC winner and his horse is already going to get them plenty of $$ from stud fee's, win or lose, everyone knows Belmont is a 1.5 mile run and he has to go up against tough competition that didn't run in the first 2 races, the fact that it's been 35 years since the last one is testament alone as to how hard it is to accomplish.
 

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According to your link:

Neither the New York State Gaming Commission nor the New York Racing Association stewards has received a request to use nasal strips in the Belmont Stakes on June 7.

"If a request to use nasal strips is made, the decision on whether to permit them or not will be fully evaluated and determined by the stewards,'' Gaming Commission spokesman Lee Park said Sunday.


So, it appears the owners are trying to influence the stewards even before they have made the request.
 

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This has been on the news all today. Basically, it's news media crap going overboard. They stated the strips have been controversial since 2012 and that they got permission in the last 2 races to wear them.

I doubt it will make a huge difference in the race....and it's tough to say if CC can win it since it's so much longer...totally different kind of race to run. Horses usually don't have the longevity to compete against it when they're so used to the shorter races.
 

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This has been on the news all today. Basically, it's news media crap going overboard. They stated the strips have been controversial since 2012 and that they got permission in the last 2 races to wear them.

I doubt it will make a huge difference in the race....and it's tough to say if CC can win it since it's so much longer...totally different kind of race to run. Horses usually don't have the longevity to compete against it when they're so used to the shorter races.


uless you are secretariat and win by 31 lengths at the Belmont
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V18ui3Rtjz4
 

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The horse will be busted for juicing, then deny, deny, deny. Then come clean on Oprah.
 

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On some ESPN countdown show, they said it was the most impressive athletic performance of all time.

Anyone who follows horse racing will get chills watching that clown stomping.

Sham's trainer/owners were big mouf douches, so it was especially nice to see them pantsed in public.

They ought to put that clip in the dictionary next to the word "dominating", have to love the announcers call, "he's moving like a tremendous machine!!!"
 

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I don't get it. Why are you angry at the organizers when the owners are threatening a boycott if a special provision isn't made to allow him to wear a nose strip?

If they aren't threatening a boycott, what's the outrage for?
 

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This has been on the news all today. Basically, it's news media crap going overboard. They stated the strips have been controversial since 2012 and that they got permission in the last 2 races to wear them.

I doubt it will make a huge difference in the race....and it's tough to say if CC can win it since it's so much longer...totally different kind of race to run. Horses usually don't have the longevity to compete against it when they're so used to the shorter races.

Plus he has to go the longer length against fresh competition that did not run in the Preakness or the KD, he does seem to be a "closer" though and he'll need that ability to pull off the triple crown. What makes this story (and horse) so interesting is that he's a $10,000 racehorse going up against horses that other (very rich others) owner's have put possibly millions into their horses. The last time in '04 it was "Smarty Jones" who had a 4 length lead going into the long Belmont backstretch but got "picked up" in the last 125 yards and finished 3rd.
 

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I don't get it. Why are you angry at the organizers when the owners are threatening a boycott if a special provision isn't made to allow him to wear a nose strip?

If they aren't threatening a boycott, what's the outrage for?

Because it's kind of ticky-tacky bullshit that has infuriated CC's owners, the obvious answer would be to allow him to use the strip and notify the rest of the owners that they can also use a nasal strip, if so desired. Last year "I'll have another" who was scratched a day before the race, used nasal strips as well in both the KD and Preakness, and Belmont officials didn't tell his owners that he couldn't use it at Belmont so it seems this was a rule just thrown in when Belmont folks watched his win at Preakness..

EDIT:..I was wrong about "I'll have another", Belmont officials had indeed told the owners that they could not use a strip but that was of course overshadowed greatly by the news of him being scratched for the race. The good news is Belmont officials have told CC's owners that the strip will be allowed, since it's not a drug or anything that will give a horse an unfair advantage over the rest of the field they have OK'ed it. IMHO they started thinking about the $$ revenue loss if CC didn't run and came to their senses.
 
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only after raking in millions on a "gallop strong" horseshoe fundraising campaign.

LOL, to be fair Lance was never accused of diverting funds from "Livestrong" and it did help a lot of people, too bad he was caught lying about the juicing though, so many Pro athletes have had amazing hall of fame career's only to be looked down on at the end, look at Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, all of them will never get in the HOF, heck it was kinda easy to spot with these guys as their heads got that "Gorilla" look to them.
 

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The horse will be busted for juicing, then deny, deny, deny. Then come clean on Oprah.

What can a horse do but deny?

Interviewer: Did you use performance-enhancing substances?
Horse: Nay.
 

spidey07

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CC ran some good races in the Derby and Preakness. He had easy trips and was pulling strong at the end. He's no super horse though and that's what it takes to win the triple crown. Still I don't see him winning the belmont. It's like so many other times you have a horse win the first two and just isn't fresh enough or bred to do 12 furlongs at the belmont.

If he runs with the pace setters at the belmont he just won't have enough in the tank to close. The horse talk is we'll likely never see another triple crown winner because of the blood lines are for pure speed. Barbaro was the closest horse in terms of being a super horse who could do it. And CC is no Barbaro.
 

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CC ran some good races in the Derby and Preakness. He had easy trips and was pulling strong at the end. He's no super horse though and that's what it takes to win the triple crown. Still I don't see him winning the belmont. It's like so many other times you have a horse win the first two and just isn't fresh enough or bred to do 12 furlongs at the belmont.

If he runs with the pace setters at the belmont he just won't have enough in the tank to close. The horse talk is we'll likely never see another triple crown winner because of the blood lines are for pure speed. Barbaro was the closest horse in terms of being a super horse who could do it. And CC is no Barbaro.

Yea, that's always an issue, the track length and the fact he will be going against horses that are fresh and didn't run in the Derby or Preakness. His trainer says that he had him at "trot" speed for 2 miles back to back and noted he actually was faster the second time but that "trot" speed not race speed so we'll see what happens, a lot of what determines the eventual winner happens in the first 150 yards too, a good horse can get blocked or out of position or stumble out of the gate, seeing how close they race I'm amazed that there are not more injuries due to legs getting caught/twisted together.
 

spidey07

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If Wicked Strong runs, he's my pick for the Belmont. He had a good shot at the derby but was boxed in and couldn't go anywhere. He's a true closer and his previous races it looked like he had plenty left for the distance.
 

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CC ran some good races in the Derby and Preakness. He had easy trips and was pulling strong at the end. He's no super horse though and that's what it takes to win the triple crown. Still I don't see him winning the belmont. It's like so many other times you have a horse win the first two and just isn't fresh enough or bred to do 12 furlongs at the belmont.

If he runs with the pace setters at the belmont he just won't have enough in the tank to close. The horse talk is we'll likely never see another triple crown winner because of the blood lines are for pure speed. Barbaro was the closest horse in terms of being a super horse who could do it. And CC is no Barbaro.

Agree 100 percent.

The Belmont is a very different kind of race. Horses today are not bred for distance but for the shorter distances of the KD and Preakness. Owners of horses that are good at longer distances are all sizing up whether to enter their horses since winning a leg of the Triple Crown makes the winner very valuable.

It would be nice to see CC win, but the odds are against it.