?CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.?

[imported_Shivetya]

Noted author, Hot Air contributor/host and jihad watcher Robert Spencer is scheduled to speak before a gathering of the Young America?s Foundation in Washington on Thursday. CAIR, whose spokesman Ibrahim Hooper defamed Spencer on CNN Tuesday night, has issued a demand via its lawyers that YAF cancel the speech or ?ensure that false and defamatory statements are not disseminated at that session.? Here?s the letter from CAIR?s lawyers to YAF.


"Spencer has previously argued that many of today's terrorists and extremists targeting American interests are making use of Islam's actual theological foundations. As was previously reported by Cybercast News Service, Spencer has been critical of Western policymakers who operate under the assumption that Islam has been "hijacked" by a "tiny minority of Jihadists." The texts of Islamic jurisprudence say it is incumbent upon the Islamic community to wage war against non-Muslims until they submit or convert," Spencer said during a lecture given to the Heritage Foundation last November. "This concept is shared by all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence and is not rejected by anything considered orthodox."

While the YAF's poster (visit their homepage) makes a great dart board many of their views are in line with mine (go guess for yourself). This issue strikes a cord with me simply because I cannot stand CAIR and both their action and inactions in the US. They are yet another example of a discrimintory body masquerading as a rights group.

 

[Lemon law]

So---you can't stand CAIR and CAIR can't stand Spencer. The point being, what Spencer is saying amounts to total pollution and its toxic enough to be dangerous to world peace.

Other more rational people could educate on the topic, but instead YAF leadership choose a rabble rouser. The point is, when you have the voices of garbage drowning out the rational, the society is on a slippery slope. And just as bad money drives out good money, trust and rationality go out the window.

But I do not believe in Censorship. So the answer can only be more rational voices calling
and labeling hate speech for what it is.

 

[Fern]

?CAIR can go to Hell and they can take their 72 virgins with them.?

When I heard that on the news last night I LOL'd

Fern

 

[OutHouse]

"We will not be intimidated by radical Islamic thugs," Mattera said. "Not only will we let Robert Spencer speak, but we will invite even more people to hear him. We are not going to fluctuate the conference just to suit their demands."

Good for them!

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
So---you can't stand CAIR and CAIR can't stand Spencer. The point being, what Spencer is saying amounts to total pollution and its toxic enough to be dangerous to world peace.

Curious to know what motivation spurs such vitriol from you towards Spencer. Do you feel the need to defend the faith from its own genocidal action and preaching of hatred and intolerance?

All he does is point out their own actions, their own writing.

Perhaps you should side with the moderates against the radicals, not the other way around.

 

[babylon5]

Shutting down free speech is bad idea. Our law cannot and will not stop anyone criticizing a religion. To try to stop free speech is un-American, not the spirit of America.

 

[Lemon law]

To Jaskalas,

Who advocates---Perhaps you should side with the moderates against the radicals, not the other way around.

The point being the people Spencer complain about are a tiny tiny minority of Islam. And Spencers message is a total message is that ALL of Islam is that way. Which sounds really radical to me. Do we remember the Russian claim that they would bury us---it too was based on their Marxian dogma that capitalism would sow the seeds of its own destruction. And in that sense, all the commies had to do was wait for our system to self-destruct and they would win without firing a shot.

And as we all know, the Russian vulture circling so long overhead just hauled off and died when they discovered the flaw in their own logic---and that communism also sows the seeds of its own self destruction. And we won without firing a shot as their own poison acted faster.

But a case can be made that Christians should kill Muslims based on our bible---and an opposite case can be made about their Koran-----but 99.99999% of either religion are not over eager to follow those limited passages. And the opposite case can also be made---that neither the Christian Bible or the Koran advocate killing over religion.

And if we would not pre-judge other entire religions, the world would be a better place.

This whole Christian Islamic feud is a crock. We have our few nuts---they have theirs---and on balance most adherents of either religion want to raise a family and have a peaceful life.

 

[palehorse]

I do not agree with everything Spencer has to say, but I have no respect whatsoever for CAIR.

CAIR will continue to try and throw their weight around; but, hopefully, the US Constitution will forever keep them in check.

YAF was entirely justified in their response.

 

[senseamp]

Young America's Foundation can go to Hell and take their 72 virgins with them too

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Young America's Foundation can go to Hell and take their 72 virgins with them too

fair enough... for what reason(s)? Just curious...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
Young America's Foundation can go to Hell and take their 72 virgins with them too

fair enough... for what reason(s)? Just curious...

Because being the ideological "opposite" of CAIR does not make them reasonable or worthwhile individuals. I will agree that someone needs to hit CAIR in their collective head with a copy of the constitution, but groups like YAF and Jihad Watch aren't far behind. Jihad Watch especially seems to take exception to freedom of religion, demanding actions be taken against Muslims in general in order to combat terrorism. How is that any different from CAIR not respecting freedom of speech?

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
Young America's Foundation can go to Hell and take their 72 virgins with them too

fair enough... for what reason(s)? Just curious...

Because they actually have 72 virgins. Who else joins a conservative youth organization?

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
Young America's Foundation can go to Hell and take their 72 virgins with them too

fair enough... for what reason(s)? Just curious...

Because they actually have 72 virgins. Who else joins a conservative youth organization?

Virgins are over-rated anyway, so what good is 72?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
Young America's Foundation can go to Hell and take their 72 virgins with them too

fair enough... for what reason(s)? Just curious...

Because they actually have 72 virgins. Who else joins a conservative youth organization?

hahahahahah, nice.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
Young America's Foundation can go to Hell and take their 72 virgins with them too

fair enough... for what reason(s)? Just curious...

Because they actually have 72 virgins. Who else joins a conservative youth organization?

Virgins are over-rated anyway, so what good is 72?

Not to get off topic, but there is actually a lot of research into why some men (but generally not very many women) find the idea of virgins appealing. The male function in sex (or so the theory goes) is to be the dominant partner, while the woman is supposed to be passive and submissive. While modern men and women tend to (mostly) reject that kind of thinking, it is still quite popular in more conservative areas of the world, which needless to say includes the parts of the world where "72 virgins" is the reward in heaven. For the traditionalists, female sexual empowerment is seen as a threat to your masculinity, so the best way to make sure the woman is submissive in bed is to make sure she doesn't have any experience in that area. Your masculine prowess is assured, and it's not going to be threatened by the woman taking the lead in positions you've never even heard of. This goes double for many of the men who fall for the 72 virgins BS, as they are not exactly that sexually experienced themselves. But of course this isn't unique to any one culture, many cultures seem to support sexual purity in women while deriding it in men.

We never really moved very far from the caves...

 

[StageLeft]

It does seem like contemporary islamic radicals are, in fact, more closely following the preachings of Islam than their "moderate" compatriots. Whereas if Christians could all end up as mirror images of Jesus, the world would be better, if all Muslims ended up as mirrors of Muhammad, their ravages and thuggery would make it worse.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It does seem like contemporary islamic radicals are, in fact, more closely following the preachings of Islam than their "moderate" compatriots. Whereas if Christians could all end up as mirror images of Jesus, the world would be better, if all Muslims ended up as mirrors of Muhammad, their ravages and thuggery would make it worse.

Jesus may have been a good guy, but God is a malevolent jackass. A strict interpretation of the Bible would not result in all that pleasant a Christian faith, lucky for us that modern Christians are anything if not willing to ignore the more medieval parts of their faith. I see no reason Muslims can't do the same thing...in fact many of them already are.

The tradition of western religions is not a pleasant one, the only time their adherents have behaved like civilized people have been when they rise above their material...like a good actor reading lines penned by a smallminded and stupid writer.

 

[Aimster]

He is just pissed off because his nation of origin is full of Muslims.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: senseamp
Young America's Foundation can go to Hell and take their 72 virgins with them too

fair enough... for what reason(s)? Just curious...

Because they actually have 72 virgins. Who else joins a conservative youth organization?

Virgins are over-rated anyway, so what good is 72?

Really, 72 virgins??? Maybe 72 virigins per year, but only 72 for all eternity?? Seems like a bad deal to me?

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It does seem like contemporary islamic radicals are, in fact, more closely following the preachings of Islam than their "moderate" compatriots. Whereas if Christians could all end up as mirror images of Jesus, the world would be better, if all Muslims ended up as mirrors of Muhammad, their ravages and thuggery would make it worse.

your opinion kthxbye

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It does seem like contemporary islamic radicals are, in fact, more closely following the preachings of Islam than their "moderate" compatriots. Whereas if Christians could all end up as mirror images of Jesus, the world would be better, if all Muslims ended up as mirrors of Muhammad, their ravages and thuggery would make it worse.

Please. You're judging Muslims by the entire book while judging Christians by eliminating all of the bad parts of the Bible. Does the entire old testament not count (except when dealing with homosexuals)?

Here's a quick sample of Jesus' love:
Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition
Mark 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

The list of quotes could go on and on...

I'm still not sure how Christians can ignore the fact that their god sentences people to eternal torture for things that they do in maybe 100 years (Jesus does this as well).

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It does seem like contemporary islamic radicals are, in fact, more closely following the preachings of Islam than their "moderate" compatriots. Whereas if Christians could all end up as mirror images of Jesus, the world would be better, if all Muslims ended up as mirrors of Muhammad, their ravages and thuggery would make it worse.

Please. You're judging Muslims by the entire book while judging Christians by eliminating all of the bad parts of the Bible. Does the entire old testament not count (except when dealing with homosexuals)?

Here's a quick sample of Jesus' love:
Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition
Mark 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

The list of quotes could go on and on...

I'm still not sure how Christians can ignore the fact that their god sentences people to eternal torture for things that they do in maybe 100 years (Jesus does this as well).

Those verses have nothing to do with Jesus' love. He is calling out the hypocrisy of the Pharisees (the religious leaders of the time) who were making up their own rules in order to control the people under the guise of being a commandment of God, like honor killing in the middle east or paying for indulgences in christianity while neglecting things like charity or taking care of your neighbor.

Mark 7
1Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.

2And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

3For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

4And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.

5Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

6He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

7Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

9And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

11But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

12And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

14And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:

15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

 

[Googer]

Cair sucks.

 

[Lemon law]

The point is that the leadership of the YAF (a) Decided to make the entire topic something they would expose their membership to. (b) And the YAF could have picked a wide variety of speakers who could be equally entertaining while being balanced. And instead the YAF leadership raced right to the bottom and picked a jerk like Spencer. And Spencer will inflame rather than educate. The point is people like Spencer get paid to be an idiot and if we did not pay them they would slink back under their rock and quit stirring up dissension.

But we have to put the blame for this exactly where it belongs. On the YAF leadership. And the American people who would rather be given a simplistic explanation and won't bother to search for the truth. Sadly CAIR advocates censorship which will not work.

But the sad fact is, in the free marketplace of ideas, garbage is a best seller.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Those verses have nothing to do with Jesus' love. He is calling out the hypocrisy of the Pharisees (the religious leaders of the time) who were making up their own rules in order to control the people under the guise of being a commandment of God, like honor killing in the middle east or paying for indulgences in christianity while neglecting things like charity or taking care of your neighbor.

And? Re-read what you just posted.

9And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

11But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

12And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Jesus is clearly the speaker in verse 10.