Cable vs DSL

Arkitech

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Starting tommorow I'll be giving up my DSL for Cable. If what the sales rep told me is true I should be seeing speeds of around 1 to 2 megs per second. Even if get slightly less that 1meg per second that still is much faster than 370 kbs i've been getting on DSL. But the fun does'nt stop there at&t is offering the first 3 months at 19.99 and then i'll eventually be paying 39.99 a month. Thats 10 bucks cheaper plus I get more speed.


whats your thoughts on the differences between cable and dsl
 

Arkitech

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I should also mention that Telocity Northpoint customers have received emails stating that because NP has gone backrupt that their service could possibly be down between 2-8 weeks. That pretty much was my motivation to seek out other broadband options
 

Carbo

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ArkMan, I've been with AT&T RoadRunner here in the southeast Florida region for almost two years now. My overall rating would be average. Their installation and rates package is tough to beat: $0 for installation, free modem, and $19.95/mo. Originally I was paying $39.95 monthly, then it was reduced to $31.95 because I use AT&T for cable TV and for phone services. Then, they began offering a rate of $19.95 as a promotion to new customers. I called them and asked why existing customers should pay more? They admitted that any existing customer just need ask for the lower rate to receive it. So, price wise I'm a happy camper.
The service, however, rarely lives up to advertised speeds. In a heavily populated area, south Florida for example, demand exceeds capacity which can cause terrible slowdowns as certain times. AT&T is efforting a fix and overall performance has become slightly better recently.
Still, beats the hell out of dial up. But I can't help think there must be a way to get a T1 coming into my house??
 

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i have to agree with Carboi'm in the area of blacksburg ( GO HOKIES!) and i live off campus so i'm stuck with ither dial-up or cable, we went cable ands its been so-so...no where near is it 1-2 megs per second, also i'm payin 34.95 for one way cable modem, so that sucks some more. i would like to say DSL is better, but i wouldnt know cuz its not offered here. oh yeah my carrier is adelphia.
 

Arkitech

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Carbo - Hopefully the rep was'nt feeding me a line, he said that if connection speeds were too slow in the area that AT&T will upgrade the equipment.

What kind of firewall or computer protection do you use?

I live in Blue Island, IL which is literally like 2 minutes away from Chicago. Are there any other people here in that area that have used AT&T cable?

 

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I have AT&T @home here in skokie, there was a special deal of 19.99 for 6 months... well that ended about 4 weeks ago and now i pay 31 something cause i bought my own toshiba cable modem for 170 at compusa..... i love cable
 

Arkitech

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Gunbuster - I'm pretty sure they said megabyte (at least I hope thats what he said)

Joony - what kind of speeds are you getting on your cable
 

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i'm using cable mode - @home, and honestly, it's this is the worst ISP i've ever had...

it intermittently cuts out, completely fails at times, etc....this is a pain when i crucially need to check email...or crucially trying to frag someone's ass..

anyway, when i card afford a dsl modem, i'm changing...as for now, i'm payin $36CDN for cable modem that sucks, but at least the rental of the modem is free...
 

Arkitech

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nortexoid - sorry to hear that dude, one good thing I can say about my DSL service was that it was pretty reliable. I started off with Phoenix DSL and then got switched over to Telocity, there were a few occasions that I was down but it was kind of rare and it never lasted for a long period of time. My only complaint was that I never got more than 400 kbs even tho my dsl was uncapped.
 

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I had Roadrunner in Houston and consistently got 3megs down for over a year. It was awesome. I called and ordered it and two days later I was surfing.

I'm now in an area than only offers DSL. I placed my order on October 7, 2000 and was up and running on March 16, 2001. The service has been fair. I consistently get 1.2 megs down, but never higher.

Oh, cable is $39.95 and DSL is $49.95. This is a no-brainer. I would take cable anytime over DSL.
 

Gunbuster

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It's way too easy to throw around 1.2 "megs"

If you could do 1.2 megabytes a second, you could have a 650megabyte CD downloaded in around 10min.

a T1 only does ~1.x megabits

 

Arkitech

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what kind of protection did you use on your PC? I've heard that when you're on cable it's basically like a local network with other nodes in your neighborhood.
 

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I have Road Runner in Southern Ca and it has been for the most part pretty good. There have been some times when it has slowed down to like 500kbs but I and other complained and they fixed it. I now get between 2-4Mbs depending on time of day.
 

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From my year+ experience helping FPS online gamers with their connections (boy are these guys picky!) - I gotta say - for surfing, you're generally better with cable. Better $/mb of bandwidth. Cable here is 250k up, 1.5mbits down. But you'll never see it. I used to get 170k/s (not 1mb/sec - not even cable will do that - that's a 9mbit line - equal to roughly 6 T1's) when I was one of the first on the service.

For gaming or stability (reliability), DSL is the way to go.

Of course you're gonna find bad DSL ISP's - but that's typically what it is, an ISP. I had a little local ISP and I found out I was their tech support. I would tell THEM when something was wrong with their service.

I changed ISPs to a big name (in this area) and things are dramatically better. I can actually play on servers in Europe with acceptable pings.

In my area - it's 272k up and 640k down for $40/mo (including ISP cost). I pay $20 for 5 static IP's and wouldn't go without them.

Cable bandwidth is very spotty - and typically very poor at peak usage hours. Cable tech support is as bad as AOL support. It's never their issue. And don't count on AT&T upgrading their equipment because they oversold a node (your neighborhood). That's how they make their money. The least amount of equipment and the most people. It's a shared connection for a reason. DSL isn't.

My DSL has been down for about 30 minutes over the last 15 months. (Only that much because they suffered a large DOS attack - whereupon they promptly put in a line filter - and it's never happened since).

I've had cable in my area - 1 way and 2 way. I could tell you all kinds of tech support nightmare stories with these guys (AT&T, MediaOne, RoadRunner). But I won't unless asked. :) And service was spotty.

Anyway, I'll take DSL over Cable any day.
 

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<< It's way too easy to throw around 1.2 &quot;megs&quot; >>

I agree.
do you people mean megabits. A megabit = 1,048,576 bits or megabytes
A megabyte = 8,388,608 bits eight times as many

 

Pghpooh

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HI
I am using dsl now.
I had thoughts og getting the ATT @Home.
My neighbor has it and his experience with it is it is down on the average of 2 to 3 rimes a week here in Pittsburgh. He can get downloads of over 1 meg if he can stay up till 2 am when the usage load is down on the node.
I am on The Verizon DSL. Download speeds always over 450k. I just did a speed test using DSL Reoprts.com and on 5 tries I got over 500k each time.
The service has been reliable. There has been down time and I think it has been down 3 times since last Oct when I tried to use it.
One feature I do like is if the dsl is down or if I am away from home,, I can use the old 56k dial up and still acces my isp.
As for the price,, it could be better!!!! 39 bucks a month.
IF,,, IF ATT could give me the same service,, I would consider it.
For ATT here in Pittsburgh,,,, that is a huge if!!! Especially since they have upgrade this area to fiber and so on.

Pghpooh
 

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Y'All:

I'm using Telocity now and the price is kinda steep compared to cable modem -- but to get cable here in NE Atlanta, I had to get the Digital package ($60+) from AT&amp;T/Media One. I have never gotten a hold time less than 45 minutes with AT&amp;T. While Telocity does drop out every once in a while, it hasn't been a pain (yet). Oh, and during the heydays of a certain music-sharing phenomenon ;) I capped out at 1.5Mbps -- Shmoken' :D

 

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<< I consistently get 1.2 megs down, but never higher. >>



Oh, poor baby :(

I can't get broadband of any type in my area yet. Qwest says DSL &quot;should&quot; be in my area in the next couple of months, but we'll see how that actually goes. As it stands, I pay $22/mo. extra for an additional line and $15/mo. for 56k dialup access. That's $37/mo. for 5k/sec downloads at best! Now what's worse is that the mom/pop ISP that I've been with for almost 4 years just decided that they would stop offering dialup access and work out a deal with Earthlink (more expensive and they limit you to 225MB of bandwidth per month.....now that's pretty shady).

So STOP your whining :)
 

Carbo

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Ark, to answer your question regarding firewalls, I use Tiny Personal Firewall, (www.tinysoftware.com), and common sense. To date, I've haven't had any problems. And I don't think the rep is feeding you a line about service, either. I must say that AT&amp;T has, for the most part, been responsive to complaints and concerns in this area. As I previously noted, service has improved and prices have been lowered. And as far as outages, in two years I've been down, maybe, three times for a few hours total.
 

Arkitech

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thats good to hear, i'm really looking foward to seeing how good their service is.

but i'm still not sure if the rep said megabit or megabyte, which one is it for your area?
 

Gunbuster

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No one is going to give you 1/5 the speed of a T3 for $40

A T3 is 43Mbps <--- Mega ***BITS***
 

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I am in SoCal. I originally had Flashcom DSL that took 3 months to get going. That was 416/416 SDSL for $40/mnth. That was fine for over a year with no down time at all, til they sold my account to Telocity (but still with Nothpoiny as my line carrier). I dealt with them going down all the time, which once even lasted two days. The router they use is just suck. I would call and they had the audacity and/or ignorance to suggest that it could only be trouble with my physical line. I tried to tell them that if it were my line I would experience the trouble all the time, not just sporadically. Sometimes I would have no downtime for weeks, but they just didnt want to admit they were dropping the ball. I dont know why I tolerated it as long as I did. Finally here with Northpoint gone bellyup, and them telling me I could be without internet for up to 8 weeks, I decided to go with cable (AOLTW/Roadrunner). I called them, got 1 month free trial, and free gear rental. I left right after and picked up the self install gear from the office, and was up that night with 1800kbps down and 340 up on my 1st speed test. I havent experienced any slowdown at all since I got it last week. I got a flyer in the mail from them 3 days later offering 2 months free service and a $50 coupon to the grocery store if you do the self install. So I called them, and they gave the deal to me as a courtesy. So, in a few months I will gladly make my first $40 payment to them and go grocery shopping on them too. I cant believe I've been assimilated by AOL! (AOLTime Warner that is). I just hope AOL BLOWS doesnt get into this and screw it up!

As far as the megabit/megabyte issue. I think all of them go by megabit dont they? I read that when it's 'kbps' (lowercase), that's 'bit'. When it's KBPS (uppercase) that's 'byte'. So my line speed max is 2mbps down and 340 kbps up. My DSL was 416kbps up and down...I may have it backwards, or I may be totally wrong. I just go by what speed tests tell me.
 

Arkitech

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OK i think i have it straight now, so we're actually dealing with bits not bytes. I was always a little confused on that issue.