cable tv torrent piracy...have a question...

thespeakerbox

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If i missed a cable tv show but missed its air time, is it illegal to download the show?

I'm pretty sure it is, but is that because I am potentially sharing the show with non subscribers or for other reasons?
 

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Lifer
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Yes it is illegal, no it doesn't have anything to do with whether you subscribe, but it's not unethical or immoral since you have the service, so go ahead and do it.

It's illegal because the copyright holder has the exclusive right to copy their work or to grant permission to others to copy it, and they didn't grant you permission to copy it.
 

Leros

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Illegal yes.

But let me say this. I have cable and I pay for dvr service. I don't feel wrong downloading shows I missed, but its still illegal.
 

KLin

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Originally posted by: thespeakerbox
If i missed a cable tv show but missed its air time, is it illegal to download the show?

I'm pretty sure it is, but is that because I am potentially sharing the show with non subscribers or for other reasons?


Yes

Sincerely,

Redundant dept of redundancy.
 

Sphexi

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Most major networks have their shows on their websites now, or something like Hulu.com. They're actually being pretty progressive about it, compared to other entertainment industry groups.
 

Cogman

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Originally posted by: Sphexi
Most major networks have their shows on their websites now, or something like Hulu.com. They're actually being pretty progressive about it, compared to other entertainment industry groups.

And thank goodness for that. I love the fact that I can watch most shows I miss online now. Probably the best move the TV networks could have made.
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: Cogman
Originally posted by: Sphexi
Most major networks have their shows on their websites now, or something like Hulu.com. They're actually being pretty progressive about it, compared to other entertainment industry groups.

And thank goodness for that. I love the fact that I can watch most shows I miss online now. Probably the best move the TV networks could have made.
or have timeshifting on your cable service.
 

sjwaste

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Full disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, I'm not your lawyer, and I'm just a law student.

I've been interested in this topic for a while, mostly because I have an affinity for areas of the law that stand to be tested as a result of new capabilities brought about by the Internet. I also have a morbid curiosity regarding judges' interpretations of laws as applied to factual situations that they may not understand, or my favorite, condense and equivocate to a factual situation rooted in "traditional" legal analysis that they deem synonymous with the situation. I'm not ragging on judges here or calling anyone ignorant, I'm simply stating that the Internet does raise complex, untested issues that require either a rewrite of the law or a force-fit into something already on the books. These are intelligent, experienced, and well-educated people applying the law to difficult fact patterns.

That said, it's probably illegal. However, it's not well tested. To my knowledge, there haven't been any federal appellate decisions squarely on these issues. As a matter of black letter law, it does look like a copyright violation. There's a pretty obvious nexus between your own timeshifting of content versus downloading it off of the web. As a practical matter, however, maybe you'll be the first or maybe not. The RIAA and "making available" theory isn't well tested, and where it has, it's tended to fail or get broadsided by collateral issues. I doubt that these would have much weight anyway, since the other moving parts in those cases seemed to cloud the issues. The other cloudy issue, and what I think might be a point of controversy if one of these went forward, is the damage calculation. For something originally on broadcast tv, for instance, a strong argument could be made that it's nominal and any statutory damages may not fly.

So the real answer is, who the hell knows. It's certainly a close enough call that there is a plausible cause of action, so I imagine someone will eventually get sued and take it up the ladder. Thing about the media assocations, though, is that they tend to favor defendants with no money, or at least not enough to cover their costs of a jury trial, let alone the appeals.

Second disclaimer: I've had a couple of Birthday Scotches this evening. :)
 

darkxshade

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Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: thespeakerbox
If i missed a cable tv show but missed its air time, is it illegal to download the show?

I'm pretty sure it is, but is that because I am potentially sharing the show with non subscribers or for other reasons?


Yes

Sincerely,

Redundant dept of redundancy.

Gold :laugh:
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: darkxshade
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: thespeakerbox
If i missed a cable tv show but missed its air time, is it illegal to download the show?

I'm pretty sure it is, but is that because I am potentially sharing the show with non subscribers or for other reasons?


Yes

Sincerely,

Redundant dept of redundancy.

Gold :laugh:

I believe it's supposed to be: "Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department."