Cable TV anti-monopoly rule struck down

Schadenfroh

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A U.S. court struck down a rule limiting a cable company to no more than 30 percent of the subscription television market

"The commission has failed to demonstrate that allowing a cable operator to serve more than 30 percent of all cable subscribers would threaten to reduce either competition or diversity in programing," the court said.

IMO, 30% is too low for a non-critical service like TV. As far as broadband (which is closely related to TV service now), there is still DSL, satellite, etc. So I agree with this ruling. If a merger is proposed that gives a company unreal market-share, then it should be highly scrutinized and likely rejected depending on the circumstances.
 

0marTheZealot

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I fucking hate Comcast. Shitty service, shitty products, shitty terms. They always run these 6 month deals, then jack the price up on you. I advise all my friends/family to steer clear of those fuckers.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
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A U.S. court struck down a rule limiting a cable company to no more than 30 percent of the subscription television market

"The commission has failed to demonstrate that allowing a cable operator to serve more than 30 percent of all cable subscribers would threaten to reduce either competition or diversity in programing," the court said.

IMO, 30% is too low for a non-critical service like TV. As far as broadband (which is closely related to TV service now), there is still DSL, satellite, etc. So I agree with this ruling. If a merger is proposed that gives a company unreal market-share, then it should be highly scrutinized and likely rejected depending on the circumstances.

And I support diversity of ownership.

You can't just look at how power is used at the moment, you have to look at how it could be abused.

If I passed a law allowing Comcast to have a bomb in your house they can explode whenever they like, I could say 'see, the bomb has been there a year, and you are unhurt'.

It's not the point.

These things are always going to have muddy elements to define what's the right approach, but the bottom line is that too much power in too few hands invites problems.

What if tomorrow the culture shifts from how it is now, and Comcast did decide to abuse its power you gave it so easily?

The way that Jon Stewart might mock Republicans no problem at the moment, but the way Phil Donahue had MSNBC's top-ratings show cancelled to censor his having any anti-war guests on - even after he complied with the demand to have two pro-war gueses for each anti-war - who's to say the new coporate parent of Comedy Central doesn't cancel Stewart the next time there's political incentive to - or that Comcast won't misbehave?

There's a reason for these laws requiring distribution of power that isn't always obvious when they're passed - remember how 'too big to fail' for banks wasn't that big a controversy, until the current financial crisis? Yet you are happy to say 'who cares' about preserving the diverscation in ownership of our essential media our democracy all too much counts on for informing people. It's already filled with crap because of the corporate concentration of ownership of the media companies, we don't need to make it worse.

Comast anecdote: when the government, doing what it's supposed to do for the public interest, held public meetings to hear people say what they wanted about Comcast, Comcast wnet out and paid homeless people to get in line and take up all the seats to prevent the public from having seats at the meeting. The government rescheduled the meeting with additional protections, but that's an idea how they'll behave.
 

MovingTarget

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He who controls the media controls the nation. This, imho, is dangerous. The 'Clear-channel-izatoin' of the nation is only going to get worse. Corporate mergers, especially for large companies, are dangerous for the people.

If only Obama would take up the schtick of T. Roosevelt and start breaking up these conglomerates. It would be good for the cable industry and many, many others.
 

Vette73

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I can see both sides as more providers then more competition. But with 1 or 2 being to big they could push out anybody else.


A good compromise would be to allow up to 25% in any market where there is only 1 or less compition (you only or you and 1 other). If there are 2 or more then there is no limit.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
He who controls the media controls the nation. This, imho, is dangerous. The 'Clear-channel-izatoin' of the nation is only going to get worse. Corporate mergers, especially for large companies, are dangerous for the people.

If only Obama would take up the schtick of T. Roosevelt and start breaking up these conglomerates. It would be good for the cable industry and many, many others.

Interestingly, in the Bill Moyers thread I just posted, one of his comments is that he'd like to see Obama follow Teddy Roosevelt and fight the good fight as you said.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
He who controls the media controls the nation. This, imho, is dangerous. The 'Clear-channel-izatoin' of the nation is only going to get worse. Corporate mergers, especially for large companies, are dangerous for the people.

If only Obama would take up the schtick of T. Roosevelt and start breaking up these conglomerates. It would be good for the cable industry and many, many others.

yeah, you do realize clear channel doesn't own any tv stations.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I fucking hate Comcast. Shitty service, shitty products, shitty terms. They always run these 6 month deals, then jack the price up on you. I advise all my friends/family to steer clear of those fuckers.

And all you have to do is threaten to not continue service

 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
He who controls the media controls the nation. This, imho, is dangerous. The 'Clear-channel-izatoin' of the nation is only going to get worse. Corporate mergers, especially for large companies, are dangerous for the people.

If only Obama would take up the schtick of T. Roosevelt and start breaking up these conglomerates. It would be good for the cable industry and many, many others.

yeah, you do realize clear channel doesn't own any tv stations.

Yep, but they do own other media/content and are a big player in the homogenization of our airwaves (tv or otherwise). I was trying to draw an analogy.
 

spidey07

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A fair ruling. With all the competition there is today it's no surprise, this ruling. There are so many choices available to get pay-for-service TV this 30% crap should be struck down.

AT&T uverse, dishTV, directTV, competing cable companies, FIOS - there is so much competition that any rule limiting said competition is pure nonsense.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I fucking hate Comcast. Shitty service, shitty products, shitty terms. They always run these 6 month deals, then jack the price up on you. I advise all my friends/family to steer clear of those fuckers.

Their service was always fine, it was their costs that killed me, glad FIOS came in my area, service as good and better price.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: spidey07
A fair ruling. With all the competition there is today it's no surprise, this ruling. There are so many choices available to get pay-for-service TV this 30% crap should be struck down.

AT&T uverse, dishTV, directTV, competing cable companies, FIOS - there is so much competition that any rule limiting said competition is pure nonsense.

I completely agree.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: spidey07
A fair ruling. With all the competition there is today it's no surprise, this ruling. There are so many choices available to get pay-for-service TV this 30% crap should be struck down.

AT&T uverse, dishTV, directTV, competing cable companies, FIOS - there is so much competition that any rule limiting said competition is pure nonsense.

I completely agree.

To be fair, if you have all those services/choices available in your market, then the competition rule probably wouldn't have affected you. The rest of us would LOVE to have multiple cable companies or FIOS, but we don't. We are stuck with cable co #1, or a sattelite offering, with nothing to speak of even in terms of DSL.

If competition is good, why let one or two companies have the whole pie? Removing the 30% rule will reduce choice and hence competition in many areas...
 

SickBeast

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Satellite is way better than cable anyway. The only thing cable is good for at this point is internet and VOIP. It's better than DSL in my experience.

The thing is, we've reached a point where several new technologies will crush cable when it comes to speed. 3G wireless is already available. The next is fiber optics, and it won't be too long before we all have access to it (in cities anyway).

IMO the government doesn't need to get involved unless a company is being anticompetitive or is a monopoly. In a way laws like this will deter people from getting into the cable business due to the enormous initial costs.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
great i have the choice of cable or antenna here.

Why not a dish?

in the past its never really been feasible since we are overcast 6+ months a year, which used to be a problem iirc. I'm trying to think, and i can't recall having ever known someone with one.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
great i have the choice of cable or antenna here.

Why not a dish?

in the past its never really been feasible since we are overcast 6+ months a year, which used to be a problem iirc. I'm trying to think, and i can't recall having ever known someone with one.

Overcast skies do not interfere with a dish. Only a torrential downpour or else heavy snow can make it cut out, and even then it's only momentary and it will be raining so hard that you'll run to the basement or else watch the lightning spectacle out the window.

IMO you should get a dish. :beer:
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
great i have the choice of cable or antenna here.

Why not a dish?

in the past its never really been feasible since we are overcast 6+ months a year, which used to be a problem iirc. I'm trying to think, and i can't recall having ever known someone with one.

Overcast skies do not interfere with a dish. Only a torrential downpour or else heavy snow can make it cut out, and even then it's only momentary and it will be raining so hard that you'll run to the basement or else watch the lightning spectacle out the window.

IMO you should get a dish. :beer:

i don't even want (or have) cable so its more of a rhetorical comment to begin with. Losing signal whenever the whether gets bad is a pretty big deal though and would probably be enough to pay more for cable.
 

RichieZ

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who cares, i actually have both U-Verse and Comcast (parents house and my apt)- as far as i'm concerned they are the same a commodity product and its easy to play them off each other to get a better price
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: spidey07
A fair ruling. With all the competition there is today it's no surprise, this ruling. There are so many choices available to get pay-for-service TV this 30% crap should be struck down.

AT&T uverse, dishTV, directTV, competing cable companies, FIOS - there is so much competition that any rule limiting said competition is pure nonsense.

I completely agree.

To be fair, if you have all those services/choices available in your market, then the competition rule probably wouldn't have affected you. The rest of us would LOVE to have multiple cable companies or FIOS, but we don't. We are stuck with cable co #1, or a sattelite offering, with nothing to speak of even in terms of DSL.


Because most people are getting some sort of competition. The telecoms are actively getting into the video market, Teh telecoms may not be there, but are getting there, as the buildout does not occur overnight. But for most people that cant get DSL, they usually cant get cable either.
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
great i have the choice of cable or antenna here.

Why not a dish?

in the past its never really been feasible since we are overcast 6+ months a year, which used to be a problem iirc. I'm trying to think, and i can't recall having ever known someone with one.

Overcast skies do not interfere with a dish. Only a torrential downpour or else heavy snow can make it cut out, and even then it's only momentary and it will be raining so hard that you'll run to the basement or else watch the lightning spectacle out the window.

IMO you should get a dish. :beer:

We have satellite internet at the office due to the remote location and I can tell you it does not take a lot of rain or snow to slow down the service or stop access. And it's not momentary. We've just paid comcast 7K+ to run a cable down to our office for better internet service. Verizon didn't even respond to our query or give us a price.

Can't comment about dish TV as I've never owned it. My sister had dish for a while and they moved to comcast due to interruptions - but that is anecdotal and may not be true for all.

 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
great i have the choice of cable or antenna here.

Why not a dish?

in the past its never really been feasible since we are overcast 6+ months a year, which used to be a problem iirc. I'm trying to think, and i can't recall having ever known someone with one.

Overcast skies do not interfere with a dish. Only a torrential downpour or else heavy snow can make it cut out, and even then it's only momentary and it will be raining so hard that you'll run to the basement or else watch the lightning spectacle out the window.

IMO you should get a dish. :beer:

When I was living in New Jersey and had satellite, it would cut out any time it rained moderately (not a drizzly but not a scary downpour either)...
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: spidey07
A fair ruling. With all the competition there is today it's no surprise, this ruling. There are so many choices available to get pay-for-service TV this 30% crap should be struck down.

AT&T uverse, dishTV, directTV, competing cable companies, FIOS - there is so much competition that any rule limiting said competition is pure nonsense.

I completely agree.

To be fair, if you have all those services/choices available in your market, then the competition rule probably wouldn't have affected you. The rest of us would LOVE to have multiple cable companies or FIOS, but we don't. We are stuck with cable co #1, or a sattelite offering, with nothing to speak of even in terms of DSL.


Because most people are getting some sort of competition. The telecoms are actively getting into the video market, Teh telecoms may not be there, but are getting there, as the buildout does not occur overnight. But for most people that cant get DSL, they usually cant get cable either.

Competition, yes, but is that competition meaningful? For a lot of people, that answer is a resounding no. Also, there are many sections of the country that have had cable for years, but still haven't had the local phone boxes/lines upgraded to support DSL. We didn't have that availability until 2006 after being promised for many years by a relentless parade of companies buying our lines out - GTE, Centurytel, AT&T, etc. Cable had been available since the 80s...and the only choice you had was one carrier or sattelite. They were perfectly aware of this and priced accordingly. :beer: for competition!