Cable Network issues

digitalman

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I just moved into a new place and had to switched my DSL service over cable (which has been a bit faster and was completly painless). i have two computes hooked up via the linksys router. the connection was esaier then setting up my pppoe dsl service.

i have a couple of questions though:

1. will any of the cable uncappers improve my speed? i noticed that switching from the direct connection to the router lost a lot of speed. I am using Win2000.

2. since i behind the router i can not connect to the @home newsgroup or mail... anyone know a work around for this?

3. will freesco work with the @home service's DHCP system?

thanks in advance
dm
 

pm

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Why can't you connect to email or news from behind the router?

I actually typed in the full address of the mail and news servers on my computer and they work fine through a Linksys router.

They gave me a yellow piece of cabonized-type paper when they did the installation with everything useful on it. Somewhere in there it said something like

Mail: mail

and then later there is this address like:

ft34cl.co.home.com

or something like that...

so I typed:

mail.ft34cl.co.home.com

and similarly for news and it just worked without problems. I didn't install the @Home software, so this was the only way that I could think of to access mail and news. But I the router didn't have anything to do with this.
 

cz

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1. I am running W2k behind a Linksys 4-port router without any speed lost.
2. You need to type in the complete address of your news and mail servers. You can find out your subnet domain name by calling your local supporting staff.
3. I have no idea.
 

digitalman

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i can't use the mail and news as my server names, becouse the way they set up thier system, you are acttually part of thier network connected via the cable modem (as a big workgroup). that is why they change your computer name and workgroup name in the computer id. the beauty of thier system is this a way to prevent you from adding more computers to service without getting another id.

the linksys router takes the place of this by holding the id within the router and the letting you have an indepedent network connected and then the router makes it apper as if all internet requests are coming from that one computer.

that is how they get away with only using "mail" and "news" (ect) insted of full pop/smtp or nntp addresses. that being said, the info that they gave me does not include any REAL news or mail server that will exist outside of the workgroup. if i call and ask for it they will get in to the "if you are set-up properly you wouldn't need that information crap.

therefor i do not wat to call and ask. plus sitting on hold for 30+ minutes doesn't do it for me either.

as far as the uncappers go, i SWEAR that when i hook up strait to the modem (as apposed to through the router- which i will get to in a second) my speed increases substantially. do the uncappers work and will they work on a machine NOT running the @home software?

Has anyone else had performance increases or decreases using a router vs strait through? I don't know maybe i need to check a few more times (i tested 2 or 3 times as it is a pain switching back and forth).

Which brings me to my final question: is freesco, coyote linux or linux router project going to be better then just staying with my existing linksys router or should i stay with what i got?

i hope this better explains my situation
dm
 

wnied

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Digitalman

I use @homes cable service and entered all information statically through windows rather than use @home software. I also have a hub hooked directly to my modem, with a software firewall on both PCs. You wont find any "true" uncappers out there on the internet. Only things I've encountered were the registry key tweaks found on cable modem sites. I've heard of "flash" type programs used to flash certain cable modem firmware, but have yet to see this for myself. So dont get your hopes up too high. The cable registry tweaks were at http://www.speedguide.net. Theres also some pretty good articles on uncapping too. as for freesco, I'm a microshaft winblows user for life, so Im no help there.


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pm

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<< i can't use the mail and news as my server names, becouse the way they set up thier system, you are acttually part of thier network connected via the cable modem (as a big workgroup). that is why they change your computer name and workgroup name in the computer id. the beauty of thier system is this a way to prevent you from adding more computers to service without getting another id. >>



You need to type out the full name of the email and news servers and then you will have access. You can get the full name by calling customer support, or, if you look through the paperwork they left with you, it should be listed somewhere in there in a cryptic fashion. And they aren't really setting everyone up in a big workgroup. The computer name is used to grab an IP address off of the DHCP server on their end used to give everyone IP addresses. And you can't add more computers to their network because IP addresses need to be unique.




<< the linksys router takes the place of this by holding the id within the router and the letting you have an indepedent network connected and then the router makes it apper as if all internet requests are coming from that one computer. >>



The Linksys router uses the ID to request a DHCP assigned IP address from @Home DHCP server, and then uses NAT to redirect accesses to the correct computer behind the router. This is also how the router acts like a poor-man's firewall.



<< that is how they get away with only using &quot;mail&quot; and &quot;news&quot; (ect) insted of full pop/smtp or nntp addresses. that being said, the info that they gave me does not include any REAL news or mail server that will exist outside of the workgroup. if i call and ask for it they will get in to the &quot;if you are set-up properly you wouldn't need that
information crap.
>>



The full addresses actually exist - you just need to figure out what they are. The @Home software package would have set them up for you, but since, like most of us on here, you didn't bother with it then you need to be more cunning to figure it out. They gave me a large yellow carbonized piece of paper with everything about the network listed on that. If you didn't get this paper, you can probably still figure out what the name of your node is by running a tracert on something like Yahoo.Com, grabbing the first name that it comes up with, and putting &quot;mail&quot; and/or &quot;news&quot; in front of this address.

You can call them, put up with their snide comments, and then get the information in spite of this.



<< as far as the uncappers go, i SWEAR that when i hook up strait to the modem (as apposed to through the router- which i will get to in a second) my speed increases substantially. do the uncappers work and will they work on a machine NOT running the @home software? >>



I've never heard conclusive proof that the uncappers actually work. Even if they do work, it shouldn't be hard for @Home to discover that you have modified their equipment and yank your service.



<< Has anyone else had performance increases or decreases using a router vs strait through? I don't know maybe i need to check a few more times (i tested 2 or 3 times as it is a pain switching back and forth). >>



I checked this several times and noticed no difference in download performance. I downloaded the same compressed file from Microsoft's site late at night with the router hooked up and not hooked up and I could see no bandwidth loss or latency increase with the router hooked up.



<< Which brings me to my final question: is freesco, coyote linux or linux router project going to be better then just staying with my existing linksys router or should i stay with what i got? >>



Using Linux with IP Masquerading is definitely better than running a cheap Linksys router. You have more control, the security is much better, you have way more logging options, etc. But it shouldn't be faster. It will probably be much more expensive (since even the lowest of low-end computers usually runs around $300) unless you have a spare machine, or you get a good deal.
 

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Freesco works great. I use it with @home here in Iowa. As far as your mail goes, yeah you need to put in your full domain of your mail. Mine is mail.wtrlo1.ia.home.com. But I also went one step more and just put in the IP for my mail server so it finds mail mail fster yet. You can get the IP of your mail server by doing a whois search using the name of your mail server. Mine here in Iowa looks like this. mail.wtrlo1.ia.home.com

Here is a link for a whois search page. Just use the nslookup search. whois
 

digitalman

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i found @homes' domain is in my area (proxy1.chstfld1.va.home.com) what do change to put in the mail and news server. i tried to put news.pro.... and that didn't work. i tried again removing the proxy1 and it still didn't work. i really appreciate everyones help in resolving this issue.
dm
 

Akash

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thats what happens when you get a ghetto router... you should have gotten a real router (NETOPIA R9100) and than that proly take care of your speed issus if you have any... and the switch on there isnt really a switch... but thats beside the fact... setup your dns servers in your dchp.. thats probally whats causeing your problems...for the mail servers and news server....other than than chk the rest of your tcp settings and you should be fine.
 

digitalman

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no, no, no no.... i have no tcp/ip problemes. my ip addressing is not wrong either. otherwise i wouldn't be able to get on the net at all. the method that the @home service uses to do mail and news servers is different then standard dial-up and dsl services
dm
 

digitalman

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and if i want to really spend some money on a router i problebly would have gotten a really kick a** cisco router. unfotunitly that rich aunt hasn't killed over and left me her $. when that happens i'll be sure to get in touch with you for a recomendation
dm
 

Wik

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Here are your settings. For your mail server address use this 24.2.32.70 for incoming and outgoing mail.

For a newsgroups use this 24.2.32.74 or
news1.rdc1.va.home.com

Hope this works for you.
 

digitalman

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wik- thanks for your help in determaining the news and mail server for my account. i am still looking into a firewall router system for one of my old computer to run. so far it looks like i am going to give freesco a try and take it fom there. thanks a lot to everyones input
dm
 

Spiff

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speed uncapper will increase the badwidth available for a short until your ISP's alarms go off and they cancel your account. That's a big nono... and it is nothing for the ISP to see who is doing it.

so don't
 

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Hey DigitalMan if you wanna connect to @HOME website or access their news server all you have to do is enter proxy1.chstfld1.va.home.com in network properties section where it says Append these DNS suffixes in the DNS tabs. That'll allow you to connect to their new server and home page when you type in http://www
 

Coolie

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If you bypass your router and type &quot;ping mail&quot; it should give your full mail server name.
 

digitalman

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paldo-
thanks for the great tip. unfortunitly this does not work with a router. i tried it a few different ways and no matter what i did it doesn't work unless i disconnect the router.
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Okay..you are right....disconnect yur cable from your router and hook it directly to your computer...after that you do a &quot;ping news&quot; ping &quot;mail&quot; ping &quot;www&quot; and write down all the ip address..rehook yur router and put this ip addresses into your programs.
 

digitalman

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that last comment that i made about not working through the router was referning to Paldo's post about adding the proxy address directly to my amend dns servers. this will not work through the router. i got my mail and news servers a while ago thanks to Wik. paldo was just trying to offer a solution to still be able to get to @home's main webpage. personally i do not think that this is possible through the router. although i am hoping that someone can prove me wrong.
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digitalman

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i checked out that site that you posted and no matter what i did it didn't work. i did this both on my computer running Win2000 and the other one running WinMe... no luck on either one. i put all of the info both in the linksys setup browser and in the network dns setup.... no luck. i am wondering if it could be something else on my network or how @home has me set up? anyone have any ideas?
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digitalman

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i am still not able to access the @home page from either computer. Could it be something to do with my network or other settings?
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Vwsport

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I have found that for some reason Win2k does now allow the way @home does their DNS. for some odd reason win2k will not ping &quot;mail&quot; or &quot;www&quot; Win 9x does not have this problem, I have tried this myself.

Dan
 

digitalman

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the other computer that i am trying to access the @home page from is running WinMe though. could it be that it is something in WinMe that resembles Win2000?
dm