Cable Modems - Do we provide the electricity?

Haui

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I got to thinking the other day about my cable modem. Essentially, the "data" is sent over a wire in electric nodes right? Do we provide the power on a consumer side (since our cable modem is plugged in) or does the cable company provide the electricity for it?

Crazy question, but somewhat interesting to discuss.
 

waggy

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uhm the cable modem is plugged into your wall socket right?

so what do you think?



you are paying either way heh
 

So

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You provide the electricity for sending, they do for receiving.

/thread
 

Haui

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Originally posted by: waggy
uhm the cable modem is plugged into your wall socket right?

so what do you think?

So why cant we develop something that plugs straight into the machine and by passes a "modem" and saves electricity?
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: waggy
uhm the cable modem is plugged into your wall socket right?

so what do you think?

So why cant we develop something that plugs straight into the machine and by passes a "modem" and saves electricity?

The signal is so weak that it accounts for hardly any energy usage. It's a Rf going through a cable.
 

So

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: waggy
uhm the cable modem is plugged into your wall socket right?

so what do you think?

So why cant we develop something that plugs straight into the machine and by passes a "modem" and saves electricity?

How familiar are you with electronics, on a scale from "grandpa" to "intel engineering staff"?
 

Haui

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: waggy
uhm the cable modem is plugged into your wall socket right?

so what do you think?

So why cant we develop something that plugs straight into the machine and by passes a "modem" and saves electricity?

The signal is so weak that it accounts for hardly any energy usage. It's a Rf going through a cable.

If thats the case.....why do we have such bulky cable modems that put off a ton of heat (apparently uses a lot of electricity)?
 

Haui

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: waggy
uhm the cable modem is plugged into your wall socket right?

so what do you think?

So why cant we develop something that plugs straight into the machine and by passes a "modem" and saves electricity?

How familiar are you with electronics, on a scale from "grandpa" to "intel engineering staff"?

Dude, I know how they work......but I just understand this one.
 

loup garou

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Let's try a little experiment to find out.

Step 1 Fill your tub with water
Step 2 Unplug cable modem and bring into your bathroom
Step 3 Plug in cable modem AC adapter (but not coax, obviously)
Step 4 Get in tub
Step 5 Drop in cable modem
Step 6 Report back with findings
 

Aluvus

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Originally posted by: Haui
I got to thinking the other day about my cable modem. Essentially, the "data" is sent over a wire in electric nodes right? Do we provide the power on a consumer side (since our cable modem is plugged in) or does the cable company provide the electricity for it?

Crazy question, but somewhat interesting to discuss.

You both do. But don't worry, the electrons are recycled.

When you transmit data, your cable modem creates the EM wave that travels to the cable company's box. The power consumed in this process is trivial compared to the power your modem draws when plugged in to power but disconnected from the cable network. When data is sent back to you, the cable company's hardware generates the EM wave and they pay for it. They are also covering the costs of the equipment in their network, which are much more substantial.

Originally posted by: Haui
So why cant we develop something that plugs straight into the machine and by passes a "modem" and saves electricity?

Because the cable company's network uses a different communication system than any that your computer understands natively. The modem exists to act as a gateway, to stand in the middle and translate.

There is no technological reason that it would be impossible to just build DOCSIS support and an F connector into your motherboard (or a card, or whatever), but it would be less convenient (can't just connect another computer to your modem if you want to switch, if your PC goes down you have no internet access whatsoever). Something vaguely comparable has previously happened with cable TV, and is now (slowly) happening with digital cable as CableCard creaks into the market.

There's no real demand to integrate this stuff into the computer, though. Keeping it in a separate device makes upgrades possible as the standards change. It makes it easier to buy a new computer and hook it up. It makes it easier to set up a home network, which is increasingly popular. For motherboard makers, it's not a good value proposition: some people still have dialup, and even among broadband users you can't please everybody. DSL users see no benefit from built-in DOCSIS support, and vice versa. Building it into an expansion card instead is more hassle to install than a standalone modem and really not a big improvement.
 

So

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Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: waggy
uhm the cable modem is plugged into your wall socket right?

so what do you think?

So why cant we develop something that plugs straight into the machine and by passes a "modem" and saves electricity?

How familiar are you with electronics, on a scale from "grandpa" to "intel engineering staff"?

Dude, I know how they work......but I just understand this one.

From the questions you're asking -- I'd say you don't. And I'm not saying you don't get what one is, or what it does -- but the actual mechanics of how they work.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: loup garou
Let's try a little experiment to find out.

Step 1 Fill your tub with water
Step 2 Unplug cable modem and bring into your bathroom
Step 3 Plug in cable modem AC adapter (but not coax, obviously)
Step 4 Get in tub
Step 5 Drop in cable modem
Step 6 Report back with findings

dude you're so getting served soon...
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: waggy
uhm the cable modem is plugged into your wall socket right?

so what do you think?

So why cant we develop something that plugs straight into the machine and by passes a "modem" and saves electricity?

The signal is so weak that it accounts for hardly any energy usage. It's a Rf going through a cable.

If thats the case.....why do we have such bulky cable modems that put off a ton of heat (apparently uses a lot of electricity)?
It is not the sending and receiving of data that uses the most power, it is the electronics that process the data being sent and received. Your cable modem is a small computer complete with processor and memory.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: waggy
uhm the cable modem is plugged into your wall socket right?

so what do you think?

So why cant we develop something that plugs straight into the machine and by passes a "modem" and saves electricity?

The signal is so weak that it accounts for hardly any energy usage. It's a Rf going through a cable.

If thats the case.....why do we have such bulky cable modems that put off a ton of heat (apparently uses a lot of electricity)?

Because the energy usage of the modem has nothing at all to do with the signal. Unplug the cable line and the modem still produces heat.

Even if you had a fiber optic connection you'd still need some kind of converter.
 

So

Lifer
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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: loup garou
Let's try a little experiment to find out.

Step 1 Fill your tub with water
Step 2 Unplug cable modem and bring into your bathroom
Step 3 Plug in cable modem AC adapter (but not coax, obviously)
Step 4 Get in tub
Step 5 Drop in cable modem
Step 6 Report back with findings

dude you're so getting served soon...

Good thing he'll have a cable modem to connect his bathwater directly to the internet...
 

PottedMeat

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Originally posted by: loup garou
Let's try a little experiment to find out.

Step 1 Fill your tub with water
Step 2 Unplug cable modem and bring into your bathroom
Step 3 Plug in cable modem AC adapter (but not coax, obviously)
Step 4 Get in tub
Step 5 Drop in cable modem
Step 6 Report back with findings

No, no, no, you're not doing it right. Aren't most cable modems powered with a lame-ass 12V AC adapter? He needs to put the adapter on a power strip, then drop the cable modem + AC adapter + powerstrip combo in the tub.

 

Aluvus

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Originally posted by: Haui
If thats the case.....why do we have such bulky cable modems that put off a ton of heat (apparently uses a lot of electricity)?

Your modem is essentially a small, purpose-built computer. The processor, and to a lesser extent other hardware, will draw some power just because it is not perfectly efficient.

Unless something is very wrong, it should be drawing a few watts. This is on the order of a tenth of the power drawn by an incandescent light bulb, and on the order of one thousand times (extremely approximate) the power lost in transmission.
 

So

Lifer
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Originally posted by: PottedMeat
Originally posted by: loup garou
Let's try a little experiment to find out.

Step 1 Fill your tub with water
Step 2 Unplug cable modem and bring into your bathroom
Step 3 Plug in cable modem AC adapter (but not coax, obviously)
Step 4 Get in tub
Step 5 Drop in cable modem
Step 6 Report back with findings

No, no, no, you're not doing it right. Aren't most cable modems powered with a lame-ass 12V AC adapter? He needs to put the adapter on a power strip, then drop the cable modem + AC adapter + powerstrip combo in the tub.

Surge protector will probably save him...
 

buck

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: loup garou
Let's try a little experiment to find out.

Step 1 Fill your tub with water
Step 2 Unplug cable modem and bring into your bathroom
Step 3 Plug in cable modem AC adapter (but not coax, obviously)
Step 4 Get in tub
Step 5 Drop in cable modem
Step 6 Report back with findings

:laugh:
 

biggestmuff

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: waggy
uhm the cable modem is plugged into your wall socket right?

so what do you think?

So why cant we develop something that plugs straight into the machine and by passes a "modem" and saves electricity?

How familiar are you with electronics, on a scale from "grandpa" to "intel engineering staff"?

What about you? Your earlier post indicated that you're likely closer to the "grandpa" side of that scale.
 

potato28

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: PottedMeat
Originally posted by: loup garou
Let's try a little experiment to find out.

Step 1 Fill your tub with water
Step 2 Unplug cable modem and bring into your bathroom
Step 3 Plug in cable modem AC adapter (but not coax, obviously)
Step 4 Get in tub
Step 5 Drop in cable modem
Step 6 Report back with findings

No, no, no, you're not doing it right. Aren't most cable modems powered with a lame-ass 12V AC adapter? He needs to put the adapter on a power strip, then drop the cable modem + AC adapter + powerstrip combo in the tub.

Surge protector will probably save him...

Extension cable from another room FTW :p
 

potato28

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Originally posted by: biggestmuff
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: waggy
uhm the cable modem is plugged into your wall socket right?

so what do you think?

So why cant we develop something that plugs straight into the machine and by passes a "modem" and saves electricity?

How familiar are you with electronics, on a scale from "grandpa" to "intel engineering staff"?

What about you? Your earlier post indicated that you're likely closer to the "grandpa" side of that scale.

He seems more of the "clueless grandpa that's stubborn". Edit: So, I was referring to OP, not you.