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Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
A large portion of the people that are being slow and stupid in the left lane that I need to pass on the right, I look over and see them on their phone...

Cause or affect?
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
But the great news is, you can still text message while driving!

Sometimes I really wonder about the laws we pass...

No kidding and my kids are much more of a distraction than my cell phone.

Are they going to ban kids too?

I don't know. My main problem is that the economy has adjusted to the need of using a cell phone while driving. I deliver pizzas and it really helps our customers out if I need to call to ask for a little better instructions if it's some obscure house or they gave the wrong info or cross street or to let them know if I'm going to be a little late because of a wreck or construction delay. Sure beats the old method of finding the nearest pay phone...saves tons of time which saves money.

My dad's jobs as a travel salesmen the last 10 years have totally relied on cell phone talking while driving.

Just another law to punish ALL for the actions of an extremely small percentage.
 

AkumaX

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
But the great news is, you can still text message while driving!

Sometimes I really wonder about the laws we pass...

No kidding and my kids are much more of a distraction than my cell phone.

Are they going to ban kids too?

I don't know. My main problem is that the economy has adjusted to the need of using a cell phone while driving. I deliver pizzas and it really helps our customers out if I need to call to ask for a little better instructions if it's some obscure house or they gave the wrong info or cross street or to let them know if I'm going to be a little late because of a wreck or construction delay. Sure beats the old method of finding the nearest pay phone...saves tons of time which saves money.

My dad's jobs as a travel salesmen the last 10 years have totally relied on cell phone talking while driving.

Just another law to punish ALL for the actions of an extremely small percentage.

you really can't get a headset?
 

newmachineoverlord

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Here are some abstracts, as has been mentioned full articles cost money but may be available at your university library:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...6884056&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...6310750&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...6268934&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum
"The study is based on an experiment where drivers with and without communication training (pilots vs. nonpilots) completed a simulated driving course while involved in one of three conversation modes: no conversation, conversation with passenger, or conversation on a hands-free cellular telephone. Results indicate that cellular telephone conversations consume more attention and interfere more with driving than passenger conversations. Cell phone conversations lack the nonverbal cues available during close-contact conversations and conversation participants expend significant cognitive resources to compensate for the lack of such cues."

The evidence on this matter is quite clear. Cell phone conversations cause accidents whether hands-free or not. Banning only hand helds still makes sense from an enforcement standpoint, as it's a lot easier to detect handheld usage. Studies that used phone records to check for usage prior to accidents provide even stronger evidence in support of bannination.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: rdubbz420
What?s the difference between fvcking with your stereo or the cell phone?

fvcking with your stereo takes a split second while talking on your cell phone takes several minutes.





anyway, all this really does is put money in the pockets of headset makers.

cost increase: $20 a phone
lives saved: 0
net -$20*number of phones
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: rdubbz420
What?s the difference between fvcking with your stereo or the cell phone?

fvcking with your stereo takes a split second while talking on your cell phone takes several minutes.





anyway, all this really does is put money in the pockets of headset makers.

cost increase: $20 a phone
lives saved: 0
net -$20*number of phones

Number of cell phone users x whatever fine = yet more money raped out of middle/lower class.
 

2Xtreme21

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This is GREAT! I hope it becomes law in all the states. There's nothing I hate more than people who are too busy talking to whoever on their cell phone and not looking / caring that I'm beside them with the right of way. It's utter carelessness.
 

Syringer

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Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
But the great news is, you can still text message while driving!

Sometimes I really wonder about the laws we pass...

No kidding and my kids are much more of a distraction than my cell phone.

Are they going to ban kids too?

Typical slippery slope argument..

Your kids can't drive, you have no choice but to take them along.

You can however, not talk on your cell phone.
 

TheChort

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Originally posted by: homestarmy
Originally posted by: tm37
ANd yet studies have shown it's the conversation not the holding of the phone that causes accidents.

GO CALIFORNIA!!

Don't say this "studies say" bullshit without linking to said study.

Also, remember that data can be interpreted to say whatever you want to make it say, or tests can be repeated until you get what you want.

QFT

oh, and studies say that i am a genius
 

Xyclone

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OMG, I hate people than go into the fast lane (!!!) right in front of you and go slower than the cruising lane! WTF! And it's always a woman on her cell phone! An old granny! Grrr! Yay for this law! :beer:
 

essasin

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Only people in California know the blessings of this law! EVERYONE in/around San Francisco and San Jose are ALWAYS on their phone. It is very common to see someone on their phone and hold up more traffic on an already congested highway and street.
 

AkumaX

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In a July online interview in which a reporter asked questions solicited from the public, the governor said he had warned his 16-year-old daughter that she would lose her driving privileges if he caught her driving with her cellphone in her hands.

"I sometimes follow her to make sure that she doesn't make that mistake. If she makes that mistake, then I will take the car away from her, and she will drive with the bus, because it's inexcusable."

:Q

California Highway Patrol data from 2004 show police reports for 775 accidents in which a driver at fault was using a hand-held cellphone.

There were only 28 reports of accidents in which drivers using hands-free phones were to blame. Preliminary data from last year show a similar pattern.

and in other news: Study: 92% of Democrats are gay, Only dorks watch CNN, and JFK Posthumously joins Republican party!
 

Rubycon

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Allow use of the devices in a car, just make airtime cost $2 a minute while driving. :laugh:

Still beats $5-$8 a minute it will cost you offshore. :D
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Parents called today to tell me that there is a bill passed that bans cell phone usage while driving unless you have a hands free device and the governator will sign it tomorrow?

Great.

I guess this is good if I had my BT headset still, but my parents broke it. Then again I really want a new one anyways.

Edit: It's an inconvenience definitely, but hopefully we'll see safer drivers. I only use my BT headset when In eed to do other things, and it drains battery like a b!tch

But the great news is, you can still text message while driving!


Sometimes I really wonder about the laws we pass...

I'd like to see someone try to enforce a ban on text massaging while driving. It's obvious when someone is talking on a cell phone when driving a car. Text messaging is not so obvious, they could just be fiddling with the radio.
 

pcnerd37

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First of all, several studies have shown hands free cellphone devices are just as dangerous to use when operating a vehicle as using just the cellphone.

Also, if you people hate those that use cellphones when they are driving so much, then just get a cell phone jammer and then the problem will go away quickly.
 

bwatson283

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I think here in CO it is a age limit, 15-18 cant use it and drive. Not sure though, but i dont mind since im 25 anyway.
 

pcnerd37

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Originally posted by: bwatson283
I think here in CO it is a age limit, 15-18 cant use it and drive. Not sure though, but i dont mind since im 25 anyway.

Im almost positive its 15-17. Luckily im 19, so I dont care. Colorado is run by idiots, so laws like this dont suprise me. The only good law we created recently was the one about keeping the slow people in the right lane on highways, although its hard to enforce until somebody gives me a means to shoot the idiots out of the left lane.
 

EmperorIQ

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Originally posted by: homestarmy
Originally posted by: tm37
ANd yet studies have shown it's the conversation not the holding of the phone that causes accidents.

GO CALIFORNIA!!

Don't say this "studies say" bullshit without linking to said study.

Also, remember that data can be interpreted to say whatever you want to make it say, or tests can be repeated until you get what you want.

but wouldn't stopping people from holding phones reduce the number of conversations? unless everyone goes out and buys a headset.
 

everman

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If it's the act of holding something that's dangerous, they better ban holding anything at all, IE: Drinks, food, and anything else.
But it isn't simply because they're holding something, it's the act of the conversation drawing their attention away from the road.
 

Akhen

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bout freaking time, I never understood what took so long to get it past.
 

intogamer

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Parents called today to tell me that there is a bill passed that bans cell phone usage while driving unless you have a hands free device and the governator will sign it tomorrow?

Great.

I guess this is good if I had my BT headset still, but my parents broke it. Then again I really want a new one anyways.

Edit: It's an inconvenience definitely, but hopefully we'll see safer drivers. I only use my BT headset when In eed to do other things, and it drains battery like a b!tch

But the great news is, you can still text message while driving!


Sometimes I really wonder about the laws we pass...

ahm... "that bans cell phone usage"
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: DurocShark
People had conversations in their cars long before cell phones. :roll:

True, but the nature of a phone conversation apparently makes it more involving and disruptive of driving ability than a person-to-person conversation. The research I've read generally seems to theorize that this is because the flow of the conversation is much different (i.e. someone on the phone doesn't know to stop talking for a second while you're changing lanes, when traffic gets thicker, etc.). It might also just have something to do with the fundamental way in which attention is divided regarding phone vs. in person conversations.

I think the beef that some people have with your post is the ambiguous usage of "conversation", which could include phone or driver-passenger conversations.

The studies I've seen have shown that changing the radio, talking to a passenger, etc, is less disruptive than talking on the phone, hands-free or not.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: intogamer
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Parents called today to tell me that there is a bill passed that bans cell phone usage while driving unless you have a hands free device and the governator will sign it tomorrow?

Great.

I guess this is good if I had my BT headset still, but my parents broke it. Then again I really want a new one anyways.

Edit: It's an inconvenience definitely, but hopefully we'll see safer drivers. I only use my BT headset when In eed to do other things, and it drains battery like a b!tch

But the great news is, you can still text message while driving!


Sometimes I really wonder about the laws we pass...

ahm... "that bans cell phone usage"

How are they going to catch you text-messaging when you're holding the phone beneath your window? This law will encourage text messaging to hide it from police which is more dangerous. This law does nothing but harm society.