Honestly I don't care to, if I wanted to debate the civil war I would go back and debate it with one of my history professors, (which I have a degree in). not some fool who thinks 50k AT posts make him an expert in civil war history.
Oh now you're just being stupid.
If you don't want to talk about it, stop replying. Since you DO want to talk about it, obviously so because you keep replying, do yourself a favor and go back and read my posts. Here, I'll make it easy for your lazy ass.
There. You don't have to scroll up to read. Now, tell me exactly how I said that slavery had nothing to do with it? You don't seem to be able to understand the difference between "nothing" and "small something" -either that or you can't read because I myself have said (and quoted right there above this paragraph) that slavory had something to do with it.
Now either STFU and GTFO or screw your head on straight please.
You do realize academics have been deemphasizing the contribution of slavery as a cause for the civil war for over 20 years now. You are just a bit behind the curve. Calling it a small splinter in a great battering ram is way underestimating it contribution.
MaxDepth
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The war was about the North actually having more power in Congress than the South. The president did not exercise powers like now. It was Lincoln that stretched (and some say broke) the powers of the office.
you all should read the biography of John Adams. You can see the actually beginning of the Civil War as the constitution was being written. It is very interesting to see where historical events shape the future. And those future events shape ours.
I wonder how we shape future events by what we do today.
you all should read the biography of John Adams. You can see the actually beginning of the Civil War as the constitution was being written. It is very interesting to see where historical events shape the future. And those future events shape ours.
I wonder how we shape future events by what we do today.
preslove
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The most direct, objective reasons for the Civil War stemmed from A). The Southern states' secession from the Union, and B). Lincolns refusal to accept secession as a constitutional act, and his war of aggression to prevent its completion. The reason why "The civil war wasn't about slavery" is a fatuous, moronic statement is because the first seven secession states broke from the Union because they believed Lincoln or one of his successors would emancipate their slaves. Lincoln mobilized for war to prevent their secession, and the rest of the confederate states seceded to protect their right to seced. Thus the start of the Civil War.
While the civil had a complex genesis, the actual flash point issue WAS slavery. John Brown invaded the southern states in 1859 to start a slave uprising that would slaughter the white inhabitants of the slave states. This was the worst nightmare of the dominant politicians of the southern states because THEY owned the slaves that Brown wanted to mobilize for a widespread massacre of their lovely region. Brown received $ and equipment from north eastern elites (henry david thoreau gave brown money). Evidence of this fact was found by Virginians on the person of John Brown. When Brown was hanged, church bells were famously rung throughout the North. This was highly publicized in the south. By December 1859 the south was boiling, it was boiling because of a perceived abolitionist conspiracy to free the slaves.
The election of Lincoln confirmed the existence of this imagined conspiracy to most of the slaveholding elite throughout the south, and started the ball rolling. Even though Lincoln publicly assured (and privately intimated) that he did not want to free the slaves in the south,much of the Souths public elite did not believe him. When it became clear that Lincoln would be inaugurated as president, multiple states began to convene conventions to write articles of secession. Many of articles of secession of these first seven states (South Carolina, the first state to secede, in particular) put it in black and white that they were leaving the Union in order to protect slavery.
While there were many issues played out during the Civil War, the main issue that energized the intense antipathy required to begin the war was Slavery. Slavery was central to the antebellum southern society, and a large part of their identity. A man had really made it if he acquired slaves for either domestic or agricultural usage. A doctor in a southern town displayed his wealth, not by buying a Mercedes Benz, but by buying a slave to drive his carriage. Some have estimated that the capital invested in slaves reached $1 billion in 1861 dollars. It was the largest non-consumable commodity of the antebellum South. This is why the first 7 states seceded in the winter of 1861, and why the Civil War started.
While the civil had a complex genesis, the actual flash point issue WAS slavery. John Brown invaded the southern states in 1859 to start a slave uprising that would slaughter the white inhabitants of the slave states. This was the worst nightmare of the dominant politicians of the southern states because THEY owned the slaves that Brown wanted to mobilize for a widespread massacre of their lovely region. Brown received $ and equipment from north eastern elites (henry david thoreau gave brown money). Evidence of this fact was found by Virginians on the person of John Brown. When Brown was hanged, church bells were famously rung throughout the North. This was highly publicized in the south. By December 1859 the south was boiling, it was boiling because of a perceived abolitionist conspiracy to free the slaves.
The election of Lincoln confirmed the existence of this imagined conspiracy to most of the slaveholding elite throughout the south, and started the ball rolling. Even though Lincoln publicly assured (and privately intimated) that he did not want to free the slaves in the south,much of the Souths public elite did not believe him. When it became clear that Lincoln would be inaugurated as president, multiple states began to convene conventions to write articles of secession. Many of articles of secession of these first seven states (South Carolina, the first state to secede, in particular) put it in black and white that they were leaving the Union in order to protect slavery.
While there were many issues played out during the Civil War, the main issue that energized the intense antipathy required to begin the war was Slavery. Slavery was central to the antebellum southern society, and a large part of their identity. A man had really made it if he acquired slaves for either domestic or agricultural usage. A doctor in a southern town displayed his wealth, not by buying a Mercedes Benz, but by buying a slave to drive his carriage. Some have estimated that the capital invested in slaves reached $1 billion in 1861 dollars. It was the largest non-consumable commodity of the antebellum South. This is why the first 7 states seceded in the winter of 1861, and why the Civil War started.
preslove
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Heh, thanks. Sententious douche's confusing the "the Civil War had a complicated birth," with "The Civil war wasn't about Slavery" is a pet peev of mine. Every event as momentous as the civil war has many causes, but there is usually one surface cause that is incredibly important. For the civil war, this was slavery.
Remember that skit done by Richard Pryor? The one about the slave and the slaveowner's daughter who fell in love--that was hillarious.
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