C&C Generals 2 Announced

Maximilian

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http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/articles/121/1214497p1.html

Bioware? Sounds interesting but C&C lost me after RA2 and has done nothing at all to pull me back in.

EDIT: And powered by Frostbite 2?

I hate generals it was the beginning of the slippery slope that killed C&C. It was mildly fun to play online though and at least it didnt screw with the main storylines of C&C because it had nothing to do with either of them.

However... a strategy game... and powered by frostbite 2 engine? Thats 8 threads as long as they dont gimp it! Im very interested in how this pans out, could be epic!
 

Zenoth

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Could be good.

It reminds me that when the N64 version of C&C was released the graphics blew my mind. In my wild imagination I thought about how a game like that "in the future" would be end up like, and I remember visualizing pretty much what happened (and the looks of it) in the teaser video. It kinda sent me chills down my spine to be honest. I think that the C&C series could use a reboot, rather than failed sequels, and I usually don't like reboots, but C&C I think needs one. That might be it although the title suggests it's a sequel to the first Generals, but then again we all thought that DA2 was a sequel to DAO, right?

Ah well, time will tell.
 

Martimus

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I have a hard time believing Bioware could make a good RTS.

Since it is an EA game, that precludes me from getting it. C&C holds a lot of fond memories for me, but I have no faith in this game being any good.
 

Red Hawk

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Apparently the same studio that's always developed C&C is making this; they've just been put under the BioWare brand name for some odd reason.
 

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Apparently the same studio that's always developed C&C is making this; they've just been put under the BioWare brand name for some odd reason.

Westwood studios is back?

After EA bought Westwood, things went to crap.

As for Generals 2, I am not going to get my hopes up.
 

Wreckem

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Apparently the same studio that's always developed C&C is making this; they've just been put under the BioWare brand name for some odd reason.

The original studio was Westwood. They were completely axed years ago. EA Pacific, now EA Los Angeles. Was behind RA 2/3 and Generals.

What happened was when VIE sold to EA. Westwood became EA Westwood and EA Pacific. When they shut down Westwood. They merged EA Pacific into EA Los Angeles. At the time they shut down Westwood, they retained about 1/3 of Westwood Employees. A couple years later they were down to 0.

Westwood made C&C, C&C2, Red Alert, and Renegade. Westwood Pacific, the precursor to EA Pacific made Nox, RA2, and C&C Generals. Everything else, C&C3/4 and RA3 were made by EA Pacific/EA Los Angeles.

The caveat to that though is, EA owned Westwood since 1998, so everything from C&C2 onward was made under EA's direction.
 
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Maximilian

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Westwood studios is back?

After EA bought Westwood, things went to crap.

As for Generals 2, I am not going to get my hopes up.

Indeed, frostbite 2 offers a glimmer of hope for me though, its modern and its exactly the type of engine an RTS needs, highly threaded. None of that peddling the 10 year old SAGE engine or announcing huge epic battles online with a 200 unit limit and the game only using 1 core anyways.

Its been a mess with C&C developers over the years: Westwood --> Westwood Pacific --> EA Pacific? --> EALA? --> ????? --> Victory games --> Bioware victory
 

Red Hawk

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The original studio was Westwood. They were completely axed years ago. EA Pacific, now EA Los Angeles. Was behind RA 2/3 and Generals.

What happened was when VIE sold to EA. Westwood became EA Westwood and EA Pacific. When they shut down Westwood. They merged EA Pacific into EA Los Angeles. At the time they shut down Westwood, they retained about 1/3 of Westwood Employees. A couple years later they were down to 0.

Westwood made C&C, C&C2, Red Alert, and Renegade. Westwood Pacific, the precursor to EA Pacific made Nox, RA2, and C&C Generals. Everything else, C&C3/4 and RA3 were made by EA Pacific/EA Los Angeles.

Ok, not the exact same studio, but the point is the same people who have always worked on C&C are behind this game as well.
 

Wreckem

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Ok, not the exact same studio, but the point is the same people who have always worked on C&C are behind this game as well.

The qoute is ambigious. They have worked on C&C games. Which ones?

Since 2003(after the release of Generals) when EA shut down Westwood and mereged EA Pacific(formerly Westwood Pacific) into EALA, not a single Westwood/Westwood Pacific worked for EA.The people that made C&C, Red Alert, C&C2, and RA2 are not working on this game.

The people working on this game probably worked on RA3/C&C3/4. Some might have worked on the original Generals, but there probably isn't many.
 
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destrekor

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The qoute is ambigious. They have worked on C&C games. Which ones?

Since 2003(after the release of Generals) when EA shut down Westwood and mereged EA Pacific(formerly Westwood Pacific) into EALA, not a single Westwood/Westwood Pacific worked for EA.The people that made C&C, Red Alert, C&C2, and RA2 are not working on this game.

The people working on this game probably worked on RA3/C&C3/4. Some might have worked on the original Generals, but there probably isn't many.

Yep. Not a single Westwood employee remains with any EA studio. :(

I wonder where they all went... if any went to other RTS-centered studios.

EA has since forgotten about C&C's roots... C&C can be fun to pick up for a little bit, but it feels boring without the Dune elements. Because the C&C formula is basically the Dune RTS games + new models, characters, and story.

Emperor: Battle for Dune was released way too long ago. New engine plus, perhaps, more of the story from the Dune book series (there are a ton of campaign possibilities through the entire Frank Herbert + Brian Herbert novel series), would make for a terrific entry into the genre.
 
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Wreckem

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Confirmation that they're throwing around BioWare's brand name with little regard for the genre of games under it, at least.

This isn't new.

Bioware Austin
Bioware Mythic
Bioware San Fran
Bioware Sacarmento
Bioware Victory

I guess they no longer value the EA brand as much as they did/consider Bioware to be a better brand. They no longer open studios called EA (city). Its now Bioware (city) or Bioware (other dev studio bought by EA).

Everything EA is buying, they just slap Bioware on it. Instead of EA.
 

destrekor

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This isn't new.

Bioware Austin
Bioware Mythic
Bioware San Fran
Bioware Sacarmento
Bioware Victory

I guess they no longer value the EA brand as much as they did/consider Bioware to be a better brand. They no longer open studios called EA (city). Its now Bioware (city) or Bioware (other dev studio bought by EA).

Everything EA is buying, they just slap Bioware on it. Instead of EA.

I can't keep up with their studio name changes.

Maybe that's their strategy so we can't tell which studios kick ass and which ones are shitty.
 

GoodRevrnd

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So BF3 on FB2 + C&C on FB2 = C&C Renegades 2 on FB2????????? Plz...

And what's the deal, I thought DICE wasn't licensing FB2. Ha.
 
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GoodRevrnd

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I can't keep up with their studio name changes.

Maybe that's their strategy so we can't tell which studios kick ass and which ones are shitty.

The funny part is Bioware already did a good job diluting their brand on their own with the Mass Effects, DA2 and TOR. This will just take it a step further until their brand is completely meaningless.
 

Nintendesert

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Was Generals the one where I could run around yelling ALLAHU ACKBAR! and sending my suicide bombers to ravage the countryside?
 

Wreckem

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The funny part is Bioware already did a good job diluting their brand on their own with the Mass Effects, DA2 and TOR. This will just take it a step further until their brand is completely meaningless.

Bioware was bought in 2007.
 

Wreckem

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So BF3 on FB2 + C&C on FB2 = C&C Renegades 2 on FB2????????? Plz...

And what's the deal, I thought DICE wasn't licensing FB2. Ha.

The full name for DICE is EA Digital Illusions CE.

EA owns them. EA owns the ip and technology. DICE isn't going to be licensing it, because they don't own it. EA isn't going to be licensing it either. However, its not licensing when its your own studios using the technology.

Expect other EA properties and studios to use the engine as well. In face EA already released another game using it, the latest in the Need for Speed series.
 
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MentalIlness

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Hmmm interesting especially since I was just playing Generals Zero Hour. :)

Great news though. Better be good.