BYU kicked the crap out of Oregon

[Kanalua]

ps - GO COUGS!!!

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: Kanalua
ps - GO COUGS!!!

No, im not a mad ducks fan. Just someone who finds irony in black football players at BYU. You dont find that ironic? The church has an obvious past filled with racism, up until less than 30 years ago. And all of a sudden they change their ideals cuz your so called "prophet" had a "vision" (AKA they finally gave in and had to change it).

Can you refute this?

How can a church call itself christian when it makes a whole new book just like the bible and say it has the same importance?

How much of the LDS church is black? I would guess less than 2%

IMO, LDS is in the same league with scientology.

 

[BlancoNino]

Cheezy:

*Yawn*

I'm not a mormon myself, but I get tired of people trying to hold the religion in a bad light. There are so many inaccuracies about the church that people love to spew regarding their beliefs while simultaneously ignoring the great deeds they do within communities and throughout the world.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Cheezy:

*Yawn*

I'm not a mormon myself, but I get tired of people trying to hold the religion in a bad light. There are so many inaccuracies about the church that people love to spew regarding their beliefs while simultaneously ignoring the great deeds they do within communities and throughout the world.

COME ON PEOPLE. Everyone has been bashing me for trying to put the church in a bad light, but all I have been saying back is their thoughts and doctrines about blacks in the church.
AND NOBODY HAS REFUTED THIS. The only person actually correcting me was Vic, and yes he was right about them not being able to enter priesthood, which I acknowledged.

Now tell me, is it not ironic that blacks are on BYU's football team considering the church's past ideals?

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: Kanalua
ps - GO COUGS!!!

No, im not a mad ducks fan. Just someone who finds irony in black football players at BYU. You dont find that ironic? The church has an obvious past filled with racism, up until less than 30 years ago. And all of a sudden they change their ideals cuz your so called "prophet" had a "vision" (AKA they finally gave in and had to change it).

Can you refute this?

How can a church call itself christian when it makes a whole new book just like the bible and say it has the same importance?

How much of the LDS church is black? I would guess less than 2%

IMO, LDS is in the same league with scientology.

Please take this to P&N. This thread is only about how BYU kicked the everloving crap out of Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl. Kthxbye.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: Kanalua
ps - GO COUGS!!!

No, im not a mad ducks fan. Just someone who finds irony in black football players at BYU. You dont find that ironic? The church has an obvious past filled with racism, up until less than 30 years ago. And all of a sudden they change their ideals cuz your so called "prophet" had a "vision" (AKA they finally gave in and had to change it).

Can you refute this?

How can a church call itself christian when it makes a whole new book just like the bible and say it has the same importance?

How much of the LDS church is black? I would guess less than 2%

IMO, LDS is in the same league with scientology.

Please take this to P&N. This thread is only about how BYU kicked the everloving crap out of Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl. Kthxbye.

P&N is crap. sorry for turning this into a religion thread. I will stop responding now.

As for the game, BYU did kick their ass by all measures. I particularly enjoyed BYU's last game of the season when the QB threw that touchdown pass for the win. Is this Beck guy going to the NFL?

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: cheezy321
COME ON PEOPLE. Everyone has been bashing me for trying to put the church in a bad light, but all I have been saying back is their thoughts and doctrines about blacks in the church.
AND NOBODY HAS REFUTED THIS. The only person actually correcting me was Vic, and yes he was right about them not being able to enter priesthood, which I acknowledged.

Now tell me, is it not ironic that blacks are on BYU's football team considering the church's past ideals?

Joseph Smith said...

"...they came into the world slaves, mentally and physically. Change their situation with the whites, and they would be like them. They have souls, and are subjects of salvation.
History of the Church, Vol. 5, page 217"

Brigham Young said...

"For their abuse of [the Black African] race, the whites will be cursed, unless they repent.
Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p.110"

or why don't you just go here and learn for yourself instead of linking biased websites that consider the LDS church a cult.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: cheezy321
COME ON PEOPLE. Everyone has been bashing me for trying to put the church in a bad light, but all I have been saying back is their thoughts and doctrines about blacks in the church.
AND NOBODY HAS REFUTED THIS. The only person actually correcting me was Vic, and yes he was right about them not being able to enter priesthood, which I acknowledged.

Now tell me, is it not ironic that blacks are on BYU's football team considering the church's past ideals?

Joseph Smith said...

"...they came into the world slaves, mentally and physically. Change their situation with the whites, and they would be like them. They have souls, and are subjects of salvation.
History of the Church, Vol. 5, page 217"

Brigham Young said...

"For their abuse of [the Black African] race, the whites will be cursed, unless they repent.
Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p.110"

or why don't you just go here and learn for yourself instead of linking biased websites that consider the LDS church a cult.

You have your sources (from the church) and I have my sources (from outsiders studying the church).

Lets just call it over now because we arent going to change each others minds.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: cheezy321
You have your sources (from the church) and I have my sources (from outsiders studying the church).

Lets just call it over now because we arent going to change each others minds.

Understood. These debates have been known to go on for 500+ posts.

 

[cheezy321]

ANYWAYS....back on topic.

What happened to Oregon's running back? The guy that was 6'4", 240 lbs, and ran a 4.4 40. Last time I remember he was kicking everyones ass. Did he get injured or something? I recall him being #24 or #26 maybe?

 

[akshatp]

How did this go from a CFB thread to a religion thread?

Focus people, focus!

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: cheezy321
Read it right here:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon132.html

Also, i think there was a movie called "The god makers" that also addressed this

Just so you know, the Godmakes movie is pathetic at best. It got criticized more by non-members of the church than by members. Pathetic movie.

"Until then, the Church had pontificated that blacks would never hold priesthood in the church because they bore the "Mark of Cain" and had been born through this lineage as a punishment for their failures in the pre-existence.

According to the Bible, when Cain rebelled and rose to slay his brother Abel, God cast him away from His face and cursed him to be a vagabond and a fugitive. He identified him with black skin.

Fixed.

A Mormon book called "Pearl of Great Price"- Moses 6:40, states that, "I the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him."

Genesis 4:15. Same thing. What's your point?

Odd and innacurate? I dont know what you are talking about. The mormon churched called them failures before they were even born

The Founder of the Church said: " Had I anything to do with the Negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species and put them on a national equalization."

Sounds a hell of a lot better than their condition was at the time, so I see no reason you would feel that is a negative statement.

Joseph Smith's successor, Brigham Young - the second prophet of the church whom Mormons believe, led them to the Salt Lake Valley after they had been chased out of New York and also out of Nauvoo - along the swamp of the Mississippi river due to their religion.

Brigham Young, in whose memory the Brigham Young University, which now hosts Jake Obetsebi- Lamptey's daughter, was named, was the most vocal in the campaign against blacks.

"You see some classes of the human family that are black are uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, and seemingly without the blessing of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.. Cain slew his brother.. And the Lord put a mark on him, which is a flat nose and a black skin.

A rather true statement about their condition at that time. It is not negative, but rather a comment on their condition. Again, what's the problem?

And the next time you use a quote, don't take out parts of it and replace it with '.....'. Give the whole quote.

Let try it on your statements. "I.....hate.....blacks." You naughty person, why would you say something like that?

It wasn't until the late seventies till the church allowed black members to enter priesthood.

Now let me ask again. Why would you ever want to join a church and believe in a church's god that marked you as black because of your faults in the "pre-existence"

No one other than Levites were allowed to enter the priesthood prior to Christ coming, and even after it, not everyone could. Was Christ then an evil person? He wouldn't even preach to the Gentiles. What a hypocrite, right?

Get over it and stop talking about thing you have no knowledge of.

In the meantime, go BYU. Good job this year.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Cheezy:

*Yawn*

I'm not a mormon myself, but I get tired of people trying to hold the religion in a bad light. There are so many inaccuracies about the church that people love to spew regarding their beliefs while simultaneously ignoring the great deeds they do within communities and throughout the world.

COME ON PEOPLE. Everyone has been bashing me for trying to put the church in a bad light, but all I have been saying back is their thoughts and doctrines about blacks in the church.
AND NOBODY HAS REFUTED THIS.

Not anymore. My apologies for the delay.

The only person actually correcting me was Vic, and yes he was right about them not being able to enter priesthood, which I acknowledged.

Now tell me, is it not ironic that blacks are on BYU's football team considering the church's past ideals?

No. They are just better people than you are. They're able to put it behind them, or simply not even take offense by it in the first place. What's your problem?