Bystanders warning drivers of upcoming DWI checkpoints

[olds]

I'm torn like the OP, but getting drunk drivers off the road is more important than the inconvenience others may have. So I'd rather they didn't warn anybody.

I want drunk drivers flayed and barbecued. But I don't want to give up my rights to do it.

 

[Howard]

For you perhaps?

The problem is most car owners see driving (on city, state and federally funded roads) as a right and not a privilege.

Although definitely there should be a margin for error. Which is why, I think a car Breathalyzers or ignition interlock systems in every car is a great idea. Then we won't have to guess about our current level of intoxication or sobriety (using Breath Alcohol Concentration) before starting our cars. Eventually other tech will come along to identify more than just alcohol intoxication.

Waiting a few minutes/hours (to drive your car) literally won't kill you.

http://www.smartstartinc.com/

The only issue I see is you take away the freedom to drive drunk on a private road. Then again, I don't even know if that is legal now.

I wonder if the amount of money saved from drastically reducing the number of drunk driving accidents is enough to pay for a "free" interlock in each car.

 

[zanejohnson]

imagine if the founding fathers would have had to pass through a checkpoint on the way to signing the bill of rights..........we'd have no country, they'd have a dui (operating a horse while intoxicated)


fuck checkpoints, nazi's and such.

 

[NetWareHead]

How do we decide how much is too much? Like I said many are fine still after 4 or 5 drinks, others even 1 is too much. I am not convinced BAC is the way to go, a seems too arbitrary.

When I have had too much to drink, I find driving is easier if I grip the steering wheel one hand and cover my eye with the other. Eliminates that pesky double vision.

 

[olds]

Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
(wrongly attributed to Ben Franklin)

 

[Engineer]

Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
(wrongly attributed to Ben Franklin)

Sorry, I'm not willing to put my life at risk so some asshole can drive while drinking. Liberty don't mean shit if I (or my family) am dead.

Again, ask my brother (at his grave site) what he thinks about it.

 

[squarecut1]

imagine if the founding fathers would have had to pass through a checkpoint on the way to signing the bill of rights..........we'd have no country, they'd have a dui (operating a horse while intoxicated)


fuck checkpoints, nazi's and such.

The founders were apparently Ok with slavery and with women being second class citizens without any right to vote. So....

Point is, times change and laws need to evolve with time

 

[SP33Demon]

It's actually very simple.

If you agree that people should NOT be able to drink and drive, then you should be for the checkpoint since it gets drunks off the road and makes it safer for you and your family.
If you think people should be allowed to drink and drive, then you should be against the checkpoint.

There is no in between. The irony would be if a drunk plowed into that group of "rebels" who are "sticking it to the man".

Speeding is a little different because there are more people who can operate a motor vehicle at a slightly higher speed whereas drinking will almost always impair reaction time. Hence I don't really care about alerting people of speed traps, but getting hammered and then driving = I hope you get the book thrown at you and they throw away the key.

 

[squarecut1]

There is no such thing as complete liberty. We all submit to various things which take away "liberty". The government takes money from you in the form of income tax. So on and so forth.

It is called living in a civilization

 

[SP33Demon]

Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
(wrongly attributed to Ben Franklin)

You need a history lesson on what the definition of liberty is regarding our rights. Driving drunk is and never will be a right.

 

[feralkid]

It's actually very simple.

If you agree that people should NOT be able to drink and drive, then you should be for the checkpoint since it gets drunks off the road and makes it safer for you and your family.
If you think people should be allowed to drink and drive, then you should be against the checkpoint.

There is no in between.

Yes there is, quit being a binary jackass.

 

[Engineer]

There is no in between. The irony would be if a drunk plowed into that group of "rebels" who are "sticking it to the man".

I thought about that yesterday and actually Googled to see if it had already happened. Nothing that I could find.

 

[notposting]

It's actually very simple.

If you agree that people should NOT be able to drink and drive, then you should be for the checkpoint since it gets drunks off the road and makes it safer for you and your family.
If you think people should be allowed to drink and drive, then you should be against the checkpoint.

There is no in between. The irony would be if a drunk plowed into that group of "rebels" who are "sticking it to the man".

Wrong.

I am 100% against checkpoints.
I am 100% against drunk drivers (or even "buzzed" drivers).

What to do?

Real penalties.

The people who get "busted" at these checkpoints will be back on the road in no time. There is absolutely no problem with the cops finding drunks on the roads. The problem lies in how we treat them. How many times do you read about people with multiple offenses? They should be locked away long before that.

Let's make it realistic:

0.05 / 1st offense = 1 year, driving privileges restored after release.

2nd offense = 3 years, 2 additional years of driving restriction (maybe curfew or some such). Also, community service.

3rd offense = life sentence, working on the chain gang chipping rocks for new roads.

 

[disappoint]

No cable, stay sober, agreeing with lxskllr, yep, I'm on the NSA's watch lists. :sneaky:

Shi....Errr I mean hi Snowden's replacement! I fully support your spying on us lol!notreally.shhhhdon'ttellthem!

 

[disappoint]

What to do?

Real penalties.

...

Let's make it realistic:

As long as we're being realistic, there are real penalties against murder but that's not stopping many people from doing it. Sure it might be on the decline but isn't drunk driving as well?

 

[squarecut1]

The reason the system is so lenient on drunk drivers because drinking is such an integral part of the culture. The alcohol companies have influence because of their cash.

The majority of the people would be unsettled by the prospect of proper and rightful penalties for drunk driving, thinking that they could find themselves in jail. Hence it is not good politics for the sleazy and unprincipled politicians

 

[Jimzz]

There was one place a while back that had the police with signs saying checkpoint ahead. Of course the real checkpoint was at the exit right after the sign.

So be careful you may be falling right into their trap turning around or taking a exit road.
How about if you drink don't drive then you don't have to worry.

 

[olds]

It's actually very simple.

If you agree that people should NOT be able to drink and drive, then you should be for the checkpoint since it gets drunks off the road and makes it safer for you and your family.
If you think people should be allowed to drink and drive, then you should be against the checkpoint.

There is no in between. The irony would be if a drunk plowed into that group of "rebels" who are "sticking it to the man".

Speeding is a little different because there are more people who can operate a motor vehicle at a slightly higher speed whereas drinking will almost always impair reaction time. Hence I don't really care about alerting people of speed traps, but getting hammered and then driving = I hope you get the book thrown at you and they throw away the key.

You need a history lesson on what the definition of liberty is regarding our rights. Driving drunk is and never will be a right.

You're not very bright, are you?

 

[ioni]

Speeding is a little different because there are more people who can operate a motor vehicle at a slightly higher speed whereas drinking will almost always impair reaction time. Hence I don't really care about alerting people of speed traps, but getting hammered and then driving = I hope you get the book thrown at you and they throw away the key.

Funny how your tune changes when you think it might effect you

 

[SP33Demon]

Yes there is, quit being a binary jackass.

Feel free to provide your "in between" examples any time.

Like I said, you either support drunk driving + no checkpoints or the opposite.

 

[SP33Demon]

You're not very bright, are you?

Nice retort. Care to use your brain now? Keep quoting "Ben Franklin" and I'll keep laughing at you.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

I took a bike ride on Friday night and went through the main street of our city. From a distance it looked as though a protest of some sort was happening but as I got closer I could read what was written on their signs. Basically, a bunch of young people, high school or college kids had written on poster boards and were showing them to passing motorists. "DWI checkpoint on bridge st". Our city is bisected by a river and cops had set up a checkpoint on a strategic artery. Its easy enough to bypass the cops if you knew about it and take the other bridges.

Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, I like to see citizens helping out other citizens. I'm the guy that flashes my high beams to alert motorists of cops waiting in a speed trap for instance. I also use Waze app on my phone and leave notifications to advise people that way. Many of the motorists I'm sure are sober who will use another route to avoid an inconvenience. But some of them will be drunks behind the wheel and I'm not so sure how I feel about helping out drunks evade a checkpoint. These kids were on the main drag of the city which is where the majority of bars/clubs are. What does ATOT think?

how do you know those kids arent junior cops (or whatever the call them) who are assigned by the real cops to hold those signs. in san francisco the always have signs warning that there is a dui checkpoint ahead so i doubt a bunch of high school kids would be spending their personal time doing that. if they are, i totally approve, though, cuz all checkpoint are are money making activities for cops so they can later buy drones and tanks. it wastes the time of the 99% of people they pull over who arent drunk. screw those phucken cops, i dont have time fa dat schitt

 

[NetWareHead]

how do you know those kids arent junior cops (or whatever the call them) who are assigned by the real cops to hold those signs. in san francisco the always have signs warning that there is a dui checkpoint ahead so i doubt a bunch of high school kids would be spending their personal time doing that. if they are, i totally approve, though, cuz all checkpoint are are money making activities for cops so they can later buy drones and tanks. it wastes the time of the 99% of people they pull over who arent drunk. screw those phucken cops, i dont have time fa dat schitt

No uniforms on anyone. Chicks in cleavage shirts and shorts. People smoking cigarettes. They didn't look "official" by any means.

 

[SP33Demon]

The reason the system is so lenient on drunk drivers because drinking is such an integral part of the culture. The alcohol companies have influence because of their cash.

The majority of the people would be unsettled by the prospect of proper and rightful penalties for drunk driving, thinking that they could find themselves in jail. Hence it is not good politics for the sleazy and unprincipled politicians

There are still some states that don't tolerate this drinking and driving BS.at.all.
http://expresslane.idrivesafely.com/toughest-dui-laws-us

AZ, OH, WA, and MA don't fuck around.

The best thing to do is not drink and drive at all, or better yet just quit drinking and powerlift like me. Soda and alcohol make you weak anyway. Fuck the haters.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

No uniforms on anyone. Chicks in cleavage shirts and shorts. People smoking cigarettes. They didn't look "official" by any means.

i still approve of what theyre doing. im sick of people having to treat cops like gods, how dare those phucks waste all those peoples time wit dat schitt