bypassing co-axial

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If I wanted to bypass my co-axial modem (Linksys WCG) to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833127243 this modem, what would be my options & the fastest throughput way?

Thanks

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[NesuD]

Ok just to be clear That Dlink is not a modem. It is a wireless Router. Your WCG is a combination Cable Modem/Wireless Router in one unit. You cannot bypass The WCG. You still need it because it is the modem. Now you can still use the wireless router with it. What you will be doing is a double NAT. Simply connect a cable from one of the LAN Ports on the WCG to The WAN(internet) port on the Dlink and and make the subnet on the dlink differrent than the one the wcg is using and it should work. If you want to completely eliminate the WCG than you will need to replace it with a cable modem. If all you are looking for here is to improve your wireless speed than there is no need to replace the wcg. One more consideration is that if you need to do any port forwarding it will become more complicated unless you add the wan ip of the dlink to the dmz in the wcg. in all honesty It would be far simpler to lose the wcg and replace it with a regular cable modem. The optimal setup would be replacing The WCG altogether with a good Cable Modem like a Motorola SB6120. It is a DOCSIS 3.0 unit so it is ready for the next Speed generation of cable internet.

 

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I thought if it had a WAN it was a modem? Something that a RJ45 jack could hook up into and have a mac address? Like DSL ???

 

[Engineer]

I thought if it had a WAN it was a modem? Something that a RJ45 jack could hook up into and have a mac address? Like DSL ???

Routers have a WAN and a LAN/WLAN (Wireless LAN).

 

[NesuD]

I thought if it had a WAN it was a modem? Something that a RJ45 jack could hook up into and have a mac address? Like DSL ???

No a Cable modem will always need to have a a coaxial connector hence the name cable modem. Your WCG is a combination cable modem (Coaxial connector) and wireless router in one unit. The Dlink is a router only unit there is no way to connect the cable service directly to it. Obviously a DSL modem would not use coax but you are not using DSL hence the WCG. DSL actually uses a modem as well but it is connected to your phone line(rj11) and has a rj-45 port that you connect to the WAN port on a router or directly to your network adapter in your computer. WAN simply signifies Wide Area Network vs LAN Local Area Network. Lan = small local network generally all on the same subnet like 1 or more computers in your home would be. WAN = a large network that your small network connects upstream to in this case your cable companies network. Because the WAN in this case is a cable network the cable modem is necessary to make the connection and in turn will connect to the WAN port on your router to connect your LAN to the WAN. The cable modem is part of the WAN.

Any port that will have an IP address assigned to it will need a MAC address. The cable modem has one as well that it uses to identify itself to the Cable company's network. Once the cable modem has identified itself to the cable network and the network has determined it is authorized to be connected to the network it will provision the modem with settings that will among other things set your speed based on what service tier you have purchased. Most importantly it will act as the middleman in acquiring the public ip address that will be associated with the MAC address on the WAN port of your router. This cannot happen without a modem.

 

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Would I still be bound by the efficiency of the WCG over the gaming router?

 

[NesuD]

Would I still be bound by the efficiency of the WCG over the gaming router?

If the WCG still acts as your cable modem it's performance should not be appreciably different than any other cable modem. Your Cable company provisions the modem with the bandwidth caps of your service tier. Changing modems will not change that. What are you trying to achieve here. Better gaming latency? I only ask because that Dlink is marketed as a Gaming router. If that is the case I have to tell you that the Modem and the router if functioning correctly should have little effect on your pings. Do a tracert to your favorite gameserver and look at the pings of the first 3 hops. Mine are in single digits. The first hop is your router I don't get to double digits until I hit the 6th hop which is well outside of my ability to control. If you are certain there is an issue with the WCG you need to replace it but unless it has a defect i doubt you will see much difference.

 

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If the WCG still acts as your cable modem it's performance should not be appreciably different than any other cable modem. Your Cable company provisions the modem with the bandwidth caps of your service tier. Changing modems will not change that. What are you trying to achieve here. Better gaming latency? I only ask because that Dlink is marketed as a Gaming router. If that is the case I have to tell you that the Modem and the router if functioning correctly should have little effect on your pings. Do a tracert to your favorite gameserver and look at the pings of the first 3 hops. Mine are in single digits. The first hop is your router I don't get to double digits until I hit the 6th hop which is well outside of my ability to control. If you are certain there is an issue with the WCG you need to replace it but unless it has a defect i doubt you will see much difference.

Are some modems better than others in a gaming capacity? Would this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16825122009 be better than my Linksys WCG 200? I do need to have wireless for the other family members so that's where I was thinking of having the Dlink 4500 Gaming router.

You have been awesomely helpful so far and Thanks much for your help.

 

[jlazzaro]

Are some modems better than others in a gaming capacity? Would this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16825122009 be better than my Linksys WCG 200? I do need to have wireless for the other family members so that's where I was thinking of having the Dlink 4500 Gaming router.

if by "better" you mean subconsciously you will get mad more headshots because of your l33t gaming router/modem, then yes.

alternatively if by "better" you mean a measurable improvement in network performance, then no unless a) your WCG is having problems or b) your ISP and subscribed tier supports DOCSIS 3.0 (read more here http://www.cablemodem.com/primer)

 

[Rifter]

I dont think you are understanding how this works, do what the above poster said and to a tracert and post the results.

Most likely the results will be single digits for the first 3 hops which will be all you can control, lets say your ping is 150ms total, and the first 3 hops are 3ms, 5ms and 7ms.

That would mean you can buy any modem/router you want even fiber optic or have god himself running your router with instant transfer mind power, the most you are going to effect your ping is 15ms in the above example, if you post a tracert you will see how little your pings are internally, probaly even less than 15ms.

Do you get it now?

 

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I have done a trace route and the pings are > 75% of the time fucked up. They never are lowest to high. Usually like 14 10 9 22 33 45 50 etc

EDIT:
just checked again in the morning here and the trace route goes:

24,12,15,18,42,41,43

 

[Rifter]

In that case you do have a network problem, the hop to your router/modem should be in the single digits, a 24ms hop from your comp to your router is high, especially since the hop after is twice as fast and im assuming thats the hop from your router to your ISP's gateway. Were you doing any network transferring or downloading when you ran that tracert?

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

In that case you do have a network problem, the hop to your router/modem should be in the single digits, a 24ms hop from your comp to your router is high, especially since the hop after is twice as fast and im assuming thats the hop from your router to your ISP's gateway. Were you doing any network transferring or downloading when you ran that tracert?

No downloading or anything traffic that I know of. Let me get a screen shot of the next one and I'll post it.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

No "gaming router" will help your latency

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

No "gaming router" will help your latency

I totally understand it won't make anything faster but what about congestion on my end or other problems that hinder a normal setup.

 

[NesuD]

Here is what I am using. For my modem I have a Motorola Surfboard SB6120. Currently the Router is a Cheap Recertified Netgear Rangemax unit that i picked up for 20 bucks. Nothing to write home about but it seems to get the job done. My Pings are outstanding as i mentioned earlier. Yours not so good. My modem is a DOCSIS 3 compliant unit so it is capable of extremely high bandwidth. My are however does not yet support this standard so it is no faster than any other modem as of now. Something is clogging up the pipe at your end. Hard to say for certain what it might be. I would say disconnect every device on your network that might use bandwidth and run another tracert and see what the latency is then. It is possible there is a device muddying the waters.

One other thing. Make sure your wireless is secured. If it is wide open you may have a cheap neighbor enjoying your internet access. If someone were massively bit torrenting you would notice performance slowdowns.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

That's the kind of setup I was thinking about doing but with that DLink. Thanks NesuD. I do have my 24/7 pc and a network printer on the LAN with my gaming PC. When I disable my network connection on my 24/7 rig, things seem smoother. I'll test again with the 24/7 rig disabled and post results. Funny though, it doesn't matter what time of day, the pings always are screwed up like that.

 

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I've disabled my 24/7 pc and just ran the game pc with TraceRt to a UT 3 server I play and [URL=http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y88/529th/?action=view&current=cleantracert.jpg][/URL]

there it is.

 

[NesuD]

Ok that first hop is outside of your network. Looks like the first cox router upstream from you. The ping is 9 ms and that is pretty normal. Honestly The first 4 hops upstream from you don't look that bad. Every hop your seeing in that trace is beyond your ability to control. Where your first 4 hops are 9, 10, 22, 18 mine are 7,9,9,27. not radically different. Try running your trace from a command line using the tracert command and maybe it will show your router as the first hop. Mine shows my router at 1 ms. That program your using isn't showing your router. I have to tell you if this is all some exercise to get an edge in an online game your pissing into the wind. Shaving a few milliseconds off your ping won't make a lick of difference. Take it from a long time gamer. Skill will take you a lot further than dropping your ping from 50 to 30. Unless your pings are running 80 or higher I don't really see any apreciable impact on game playability. I played for years with pings 80 to 100 in several games and did very well against guys with pings down around 40-50. Based on that screenshot I just don't see any problems with those numbers and certainly no problems within your control.

 

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Ok. I'm just really having a hard time understanding when 2 people jump into a UT3 server, it lags like hell for me. It's really aggravating when my ping is around 48 and some of my shots are not registered .... i'm starting to think the game needs a new patch. It's on 2.1... o well, Thanks a bunch NesuD

 

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Interesting. I took a look at my modem and I am getting reports of SNY Floods from those game servers.