Bye, George: It's been a bad week for the Bushies.

DealMonkey

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We must be approaching a Clinton-era level of distraction with all of the scandals breaking lately. How can the administration possibly stay focused?

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Bye, George
It's been a bad week for the Bushies.

By Fred Kaplan
Posted Thursday, June 3, 2004, at 2:35 PM PT

The walls haven't collapsed around George W. Bush, but the pillars are buckling, the floorboards are rattling, the inspectors are probing, and it doesn't look good.

In the White House and the Pentagon, senior officials face the prospect of criminal charges. The vice president is accused of malfeasance, at best. A key erstwhile ally in the war on terrorism has apparently turned against us in an act of criminal perfidy. And now the nation's spymaster has turned in his cloak?it's not yet clear whether he jumped or got pushed; either way, Bush's risk-rating has just soared.

George Tenet's departure as CIA director?a post he's held for nearly seven years?longer than anyone since Allen Dulles ran the agency under President Eisenhower?marks but the latest shock. One can imagine many times when Tenet might reasonably have been fired, beginning six years ago with his failure to detect warning signs of India's nuclear test and proceeding with his failure to penetrate al-Qaida, his failure to track the 9/11 hijackers, and his mistaken estimates on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (a "slam dunk" case, he assured President Bush). Tenet wasn't entirely to blame in each instance, but someone usually takes the rap for such catastrophic blunders, and the CIA director is a more solid choice than most?except, it has seemed, in the Bush administration, which not only issues no raps but admits no blame.

The question, then, is not, "Why is Tenet leaving?" but, "Why now?" It may take several rounds of press leaks before we know the answer. (Bush's citation of "personal reasons" is the traditional boilerplate.) Whatever the real reason, a team player is now a free agent, and those left on the bench must be nervous about that. All presidents learn quickly that spy chiefs are dangerous creatures if let loose or treated harshly. John F. Kennedy was held in constant check by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover's knowledge of his sexual peccadilloes. Lyndon B. Johnson kept Hoover on, telling a friend, "I'd rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in." No FBI or CIA director has wielded his leverage as brashly as Hoover did; still, the shrewd ones keep the crowbar in the closet, and Tenet couldn't have lasted as long as he did?through the Clinton and Bush presidencies?if he weren't shrewd.

So, what would happen if the 9/11 commission or any of the other boards of inquiry dealing with the various intelligence scandals were to re-call Private Citizen Tenet to testify? Would he suddenly remember meetings and conversations that had earlier slipped his mind? Years ago, Tenet worked as a staff member for Sen. John Heinz, whose widow is now married to John Kerry. Do they keep in touch? (Just asking.)

It's doubtful that Tenet's resignation has anything to do with the troubles now surrounding Ahmad Chalabi. True, Chalabi and one of his last loyalists, Richard Perle, accuse Tenet of spreading the recent accusations. And Tenet has long distrusted Chalabi, for many legitimate reasons. Still, nearly all the power centers have now backed away from Chalabi, the Iraqi exile whose deceptions helped the Bush administration build a case for war. The National Security Council disavowed him last April. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, with whom he routinely huddled, now says Chalabi wasn't so influential after all. Bush himself, who once boasted of their many powwows, now dismisses Chalabi as someone he might have met on a rope line once or twice.

The backpedaling is fierce because Chalabi is in huge trouble and every senior U.S. official who consorted with him is under deep suspicion. According to news stories, Chalabi told the Baghdad station chief for Iran's intelligence ministry that the Americans had broken the ministry's codes and were intercepting all its communications.

If the stories are true, Chalabi could be charged with espionage, a crime that carries a sentence of life in prison or?under certain circumstances?the death penalty. One of those circumstances is if the accused has passed along "communications intelligence or cryptographic information"?in other words, any secrets pertaining to intercepts.

Chalabi probably won't face the ultimate punishment. In none of the 10 espionage cases brought to trial over the past decade have U.S. prosecutors so much as sought the death penalty. But the fact that Chalabi is a British citizen does not exempt him from the second-most severe punishment under this particular American law.

As for the U.S. official who reportedly told Chalabi about the intercept, the feds wrote a special law to handle his type. Within the statute dealing with the "disclosure of classified information," there is a separate clause for those who leak?not just to foreign powers but to any "unauthorized person"?information "concerning the communications intelligence activities of the United States." Those found guilty are heavily fined and sentenced to prison for up to 10 years.

The FBI's counterintelligence division, the CIA, the NSA, the Justice Department?the entire U.S. national-security machine?can be expected to come down very hard on this case, no matter how high it takes them. Communications intercepts are something like the crown jewels. Those in charge of guarding the jewels do not?cannot?tolerate or wrist-slap a breach.

For this same reason, it is no surprise that the investigation into the Valerie Plame affair is gaining traction. A grand jury has apparently been at work for some time, investigating who might have told reporters that Plame was an undercover CIA agent. It was revealed yesterday that President Bush himself has sought the services of an outside lawyer in case he is called to testify. The widespread suspicion is that a White House operative exposed Plame in order to punish her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who publicly revealed that Bush (or those around him) blatantly lied in claiming, in the lead up to war, that Iraq had tried to obtain uranium from Niger. Exposing an undercover agent is not just a felony, it's one of the most reckless crimes that anyone armed with a security clearance could commit. Again, the guardians of the crown jewels will not hesitate to lock up the culprit for as long as the book allows. (Or, if they do let the guilty party slip away, expect dozens of the guardians to resign in protest. Also expect the full roster of remaining undercover spies to come in from the cold.)

Another hit on the White House this week comes from Time, which unearthed a Pentagon e-mail message indicating that Vice President Dick Cheney played a role in arranging for Halliburton to win the multibillion-dollar, no-bid contracts for construction and logistics in post-Saddam Iraq. Cheney, of course, had been CEO of Halliburton before Bush chose him as his running mate, a connection that raised eyebrows when his former company started profiting so grandly from the occupation. The e-mail is the first tangible sign of a direct Cheney link. In any event, such blatant political interference in the awarding of a large military contract is, at very least, a violation of Pentagon procurement regulations.

And let us not forget the Abu Ghraib scandal, which remains the subject of a half-dozen panels probing up and down the chain of command. This may be the most remarkable sign of the scandal-strewn depths?that even Abu Ghraib can be buried in the rubble.

Thanks to Steven Aftergood, of the Federation of American Scientists' Secrecy News, for directing me to the pertinent statutes on communications intelligence.

Slate.com
 

Passions

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Always focusing on the negatives and never the positives.

Yup.

***CONFIRMED***
 

DealMonkey

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Yes Passions, I'm sure it's all rainbows and fluffy clouds in your world. Why don't you tell us all about it? Tell us your version of events and how everything's gonna be OK. Go ahead. What are you waiting for?
 

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Originally posted by: Passions
Always focusing on the negatives and never the positives.

Yup.

***CONFIRMED***

there are no positives to focus on. this administration is a fvcking disaster.
 

Kappo

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Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Originally posted by: Passions
Always focusing on the negatives and never the positives.

Yup.

***CONFIRMED***

there are no positives to focus on. this administration is a fvcking disaster.


To a person with no backbone and has wonderous delight in something bad for the US, it would seem that way.
 

Runner20

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Tenet was a hold over from the Clinton administration. I guess he has server long enough and maybe it was his time to go.
 

Bowmaster

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Bye, George
It's been a bad week for the Bushies.
By Fred Kaplan
Posted Thursday, June 3, 2004, at 2:35 PM PT

The walls haven't collapsed around George W. Bush, but the pillars are buckling, the floorboards are rattling, the inspectors are probing, and it doesn't look good.

In the White House and the Pentagon, senior officials face the prospect of criminal charges. The vice president is accused of malfeasance, at best. A key erstwhile ally in the war on terrorism has apparently turned against us in an act of criminal perfidy. And now the nation's spymaster has turned in his cloak?it's not yet clear whether he jumped or got pushed; either way, Bush's risk-rating has just soared.

Why can't you see it's all a Democratic plot to undermine this administration? :D
 

morksbeanbag

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even to someone unbias towards the americans, the bush administration has managed to mess things up pretty much worse than any other government so far. he seems to be treating his war on terror with a cowboys and indians mentality.

On one hand i really hope he goes in november, he's done to much to inflame an already terrible situation. On the other hand he's a real scream to watch and listen to. He shouldn't be president but he should be kept on tv, he's too small for a big job and too big for a small job.
 

Bitek

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Originally posted by: morksbeanbag
even to someone unbias towards the americans, the bush administration has managed to mess things up pretty much worse than any other government so far. he seems to be treating his war on terror with a cowboys and indians mentality.

On one hand i really hope he goes in november, he's done to much to inflame an already terrible situation. On the other hand he's a real scream to watch and listen to. He shouldn't be president but he should be kept on tv, he's too small for a big job and too big for a small job.


:D

:beer:
 

EXman

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yea 248,000 jobs created this last month that is terrible

:roll: same garbage same poster same :roll: :D

DM what is so terrible in your life that Bush did?
 
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Originally posted by: morksbeanbag
even to someone unbias towards the americans, the bush administration has managed to mess things up pretty much worse than any other government so far. he seems to be treating his war on terror with a cowboys and indians mentality.
If you look at all the poor black Americans stuck in a perpetual loop of ghetto culture, combined with an intense run-up of men in Vietnam, you'll find that LBJ was the worst president of the past 50 years. What bush has 'done' is nothing in comparison.

DM what is so terrible in your life that Bush did?
he caused the .com bubble to burst.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Runner20
Tenet was a hold over from the Clinton administration. I guess he has server long enough and maybe it was his time to go.

Tenet was the weakest link in this Administration. I'm glad I had an impact in his resignation. This guy was lazy at best, and incompetent at worst. Nevertheless, he told good jokes.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Runner20
Tenet was a hold over from the Clinton administration. I guess he has server long enough and maybe it was his time to go.

Tenet was the weakest link in this Administration. I'm glad I had an impact in his resignation. This guy was lazy at best, and incompetent at worst. Nevertheless, he told good jokes.
It seems that Rumsfoeld is right up there with Tenet as it was he and Cheney who Convinced the President to go with Chalabi as their man in Iraq trusting all his faux intelligence only to find out later that he was a double agent for Iran. I wonder how many American Soldoers lost their lives or were wounded because of that major screw up?
 

morksbeanbag

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i wasn't talking about american employment figures. i was speaking of issues outside the US. there is a world outside of america. I've been over to a few places in america and talked to people over there, seems they don't travel out side of the US much if at all. I talked to a woman in Washington DC who had never even been to new york. Its like 3-4hrs down the road and after about 35years she'd never been as far away as that! thats quite a score.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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this administration is a complete disaster. the fact that you bush supporters claim otherwise is a testament to partisan loyalty. if you would only remove the blinders you'd see.

won't really matter though, this SOB ain't gettin reelected!
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
this administration is a complete disaster. the fact that you bush supporters claim otherwise is a testament to partisan loyalty. if you would only remove the blinders you'd see.

won't really matter though, this SOB ain't gettin reelected!
I wouldn't say it was a complete disaster. You want to see a complete disaster just look at the Carter Administration. Unfortunately for the Dub, one or two large Terrorist attacks in America probably would turn it into a complete disaster.
 

Moonbeam

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To call it a complete disaster hardly does it justice. And Carter was one of our greatest Presidents. Carter didn't talk to God, he lived Him.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
To call it a complete disaster hardly does it justice. And Carter was one of our greatest Presidents. Carter didn't talk to God, he lived Him.

I think Carter is one of the greatest men to serve as president, almost certainly the greatest of my lifetime, but he was an ineffectual president at best IMO. He was arguably too smart and principled to run the White House effectively, and was such a micromanager (up to and including personally supervising the usage schedule of the White House bowling alley) that he wasn't able to focus on the larger picture. I admire him greatly, but I wouldn't want to see him again as president.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
To call it a complete disaster hardly does it justice. And Carter was one of our greatest Presidents. Carter didn't talk to God, he lived Him.

I think Carter is one of the greatest men to serve as president, almost certainly the greatest of my lifetime, but he was an ineffectual president at best IMO. He was arguably too smart and principled to run the White House effectively, and was such a micromanager (up to and including personally supervising the usage schedule of the White House bowling alley) that he wasn't able to focus on the larger picture. I admire him greatly, but I wouldn't want to see him again as president.

Personally, what I think happened to Carter is that he was crucified, or sabotaged if you prefer a more secular word, and that is why he had to attempt to micromanage. But then you said something similar in your own way.

And I find the notion that he was too smart and especially too principled to run the country a truly perverse canard, no disrespect, intended. What we need is to drown in such men. IMO.
 

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Originally posted by: EXman
yea 248,000 jobs created this last month that is terrible

:roll: same garbage same poster same :roll: :D

DM what is so terrible in your life that Bush did?

I thought we all agreed, at least last year, that the economy was something over which a sitting president had little to no power.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam

And I find the notion that he was too smart and especially too principled to run the country a truly perverse canard, no disrespect, intended. What we need is to drown in such men. IMO.

I agree 100%. I think I may have chosen my words poorly, in that I surely didn't mean to imply the job (or politics generally) does not deserve such fine men. I just think on some level Carter's intelligence and principles made it hard for him to compromise and build consensus at times. He had the misfortune of being President at a time of great American skepticism toward the job, and one in which the economy was stagnant for reasons that were largely beyond his control, not to mention the looming cold war. I still tend to think he either needed to assemble a better cabinet or simply learn to better delegate, because he worked awfully hard to accomplish comparatively little.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: EXman
yea 248,000 jobs created this last month that is terrible

:roll: same garbage same poster same :roll: :D

DM what is so terrible in your life that Bush did?

I thought we all agreed, at least last year, that the economy was something over which a sitting president had little to no power.

tell that to Kerry :D
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: Moonbeam

And I find the notion that he was too smart and especially too principled to run the country a truly perverse canard, no disrespect, intended. What we need is to drown in such men. IMO.

I agree 100%. I think I may have chosen my words poorly, in that I surely didn't mean to imply the job (or politics generally) does not deserve such fine men. I just think on some level Carter's intelligence and principles made it hard for him to compromise and build consensus at times. He had the misfortune of being President at a time of great American skepticism toward the job, and one in which the economy was stagnant for reasons that were largely beyond his control, not to mention the looming cold war. I still tend to think he either needed to assemble a better cabinet or simply learn to better delegate, because he worked awfully hard to accomplish comparatively little.

You are probably right. I believe the people of the country were justified to sleep well at knight, though, knowing that Carter was the one who had control over what was it, a red box and button that could start nuclear war. The difference between his Christianity and the loon we have now is night and day. It's simply incredible.
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Runner20
Tenet was a hold over from the Clinton administration. I guess he has server long enough and maybe it was his time to go.

Tenet was the weakest link in this Administration. I'm glad I had an impact in his resignation. This guy was lazy at best, and incompetent at worst.

I disagree. He is a scapegoat. He is a good soldier who did what his boss demanded. Now he is taking the fall for Dubya.
 

Red Dawn

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The people that need to resign in that Administration are those who supported and backed the double agent Chalabi. I wonder how many American and Iraqi lives that screw up cost?